DRM (This war of mine)

[AndryGate]

There is a culture war with DRM and denuvo services. I am a consumer like all of you, I don't invent viruses in my bedroom like these brats do, and then infect the works intended for consumers. Just purchasing a digital game on Steam has limitations.

1) It is a digital product, no physical copy.

2) it cannot be resold or lent outside the family branch.

3) without steam the game cannot work.

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4) Denuvo virus adversely affects PC performance and resources.

5) you need internet even if you have Steam in offline mode.

6) They limit the creation of mods, you are not born a developer, you become one with practice and experimentation. Play is a stimulus

7) The counterpart without denuvo deserves praise and respect, not those who infect my PC, this stuff is illegal like piracy.

8) Dragon's Dogma 2 is made by Capcom, they have the copyright, so we all know that Denuvo or DRM in all this have no rights to the game, despite having done their own virus injection. If they sell me a broken toy but the warranty has expired I feel that the consumer has every right to open the toy and repair it, no one steals, perhaps Denuvo does it and not the consumer, because denuvo prevents people from being able to open and analyze the toy , preventing you from making a repair yourself? Anti-consumption.

9) Personal data. Despite all the disadvantages accumulated by the consumer, we know that it is not over. Since the game collects data from your PC, it's a mystery to figure out what data it collects, so should we even worry about privacy?


10) Microtransactions, now do we have to worry about whether the content will be sold as a live service product? One of the few satisfactions on Steam is that of accumulating DLC on your account, it is the actual proof that we have purchased the product, I hope that with the implementation of Denuvo we will not have a scenario similar to that of the live service.


So, now that I think I've provided an overview of the anti-consumer practice that Capcom is perhaps unknowingly practicing, I want to add a comment.


We are gamers in our free time, we don't buy games like we buy clothes referring to the manufacturer's brand, you should be a serious company having been in the sector for many years, you should understand that what you do is create fun and emotions with your games. DD2 is a single player experience, the competition doesn't matter, whoever has the biggest armor or who is at the top of the leaderboard doesn't win. In this old Capcom game, the player who discovers the most details and secrets and manages to retrace the journey with his eyes closed wins. Cheaters think they win in single player, but in reality they lose the value of experience, it may be that they are lazy, that they don't have enough IQ, but we are not all the same. As an honest gamer, I just want to tell you that this new practice on your games is counterproductive. No one should pirate or steal your game, but I'm convinced that not even a company like Capcom should treat a community so badly that would spend so much money on your game. In this circumstance in which I shared an anti-consumerist vision that we all complain about, I could even justify the cultural cause that many pirates have carried forward over the years. Is this really what you want? A company that produces video games should keep people united, the stock market plays with its money with a full belly, it doesn't understand how a company like those that distrust DRM can achieve enormous results despite piracy. A PC gamer will buy everything if they like the game, don't make Dragon's Dogma 2 that game that seems sold to scam people. I don't know how else to say it, I hope you understand.

[breadman]

denuvo isn't a virus

[AndryGate]

Originally posted by breadman:

denuvo isn't a virus

who cares? it's malware.

[breadman]

Originally posted by AndryGate:

Originally posted by breadman:

denuvo isn't a virus

who cares? it's malware.

i care

it's not malware either

[SoftpilLoW]

It waste my SSD 400-500 MB.

[breadman]

Originally posted by ( ˘ д ˘):

It waste my SSD 400-500 MB.

delete some pron

[SoftpilLoW]

Originally posted by breadman:

Originally posted by ( ˘ д ˘):

It waste my SSD 400-500 MB.

delete some pron

Porn is worth more than this stupid DRM. It doesn't benefit me at all.

[AndryGate]

Originally posted by breadman:

Originally posted by ( ˘ д ˘):

It waste my SSD 400-500 MB.

delete some pron

It's a huge scam, which is infecting companies, it's what a virus would do, be contagious, and lead you to believe that without it you won't get the desired results.

[Wildbreed]

just report for out of topic discussions and rage bait

[Stavinsky]

Originally posted by breadman:

Originally posted by AndryGate:

who cares? it's malware.

i care

it's not malware either

Actually the team behind Denuvo is the same that was behind Securom and Sony previous Music DRM scandal. Just that is enough to qualify Denuvo as a Malware as they were the cause of a lot of mess with computers in the past.

Securom was a rootkit going into Kernel level and causing a whole lot of issues with players computers, and the only solution to get rid of it was a good old format of the computer at the time (yes there were other solution, much more complex and less sure of the results).

Even Microsoft decided that Securom is a MALWARE and do not let it install anymore in Kernel since Windows 10, making all Securom protected game today unable to play without getting "creative".

Denuvo don't get in Kernel level but it's still impact performance from 'little' to 'astronomically' depending on how well/bad it's implemented in a game.

It still has to get in a level that provide it with way too much control on a player computer especially when the computer OWNER don't know what that cancer do under the radar.

And more important. Right now it's a malware because the very way it work can be qualified as Programmed Obsolescence as anytime a publishers decide to have Denuvo stop providing a 'validation' and don't remove the DRM from a software, that Software will be dead once it need to validate once more.

And guess what ? Programmed Obsolescence start to be outlawed in some countries (France consider it even worth a couple years of prison and a hefty fine) and slowly but surely laws are made to make it a thing of the past.

There are many games that are doing great without any DRM installed.
And many games that still thrives many years after their Launch when a modding community keep those games alive, updated, even going as far as debugging them.
And that's how such creation should be used. Remember what Freddy Mercury said about his music ?
Quoting : "Do what you want with my music, just don’t make it boring."

Another take from Jean Jacques Goldman
"I'm very proud that my songs are being covered. I find that a song is made to be sung."

The same should be the way for any games out there. Players should be able to play them any time they want without having to fight some kind of DRM or having to worry that they could be denied the access to those games. And when we see what Sony and Ubisoft tried recently, we know that those publishers are not going to miss the opportunity to try to remove product that customers have paid for as Corporation are not the friends of customers.

Now the problem is that those companies don't want their games to last that long, as they don't want to have past competition forcing them to provide a BETTER/EQUAL product than what a consumer got in the past or get from dedicated and passionate mod makers keeping these old games alive.

Those corporations want players to consummate games like they consummate other goods. Especially fast used goods, the kind that someone buy, use, and 3 days later has forgotten.

Except most players don't want to have "fast food trash games", not when having little gaming time and wanting an experience that give them a very good vibe and not feeling like they wasted money and time on some trash game.

Now, when company start to focus more on "potentially non done sales" more than on "making most of the paying customers happy", you know there is a real issue with the guys at the helm of such companies.

[tankanidis]

Originally posted by breadman:

denuvo isn't a virus

Originally posted by breadman:

Originally posted by AndryGate:

who cares? it's malware.

i care

it's not malware either

"virus
/ˈvʌɪrəs/
noun
noun: computer virus

1.
an infective agent that typically consists of a nucleic acid molecule in a protein coat, is too small to be seen by light microscopy, and is able to multiply only within the living cells of a host.
"the hepatitis B virus"
an infection or disease caused by a virus.
"I've had a virus"
a harmful or corrupting influence.
"the virus of cruelty that is latent in all human beings"
2.
a piece of code that is capable of copying itself and typically has a detrimental effect, such as corrupting the system or destroying data."


"Learn to pronounce malware
/ˈmalwɛ:/ Malware
noun
software that is specifically designed to disrupt, damage, or gain unauthorized access to a computer system."

According to Google Definitions, Denuvo is both a Virus and Malware

[[-iD-]]

none of those definitions apply to denuvo though, it can't get unauthorized access to a pc at all. and its not detrimental to anyone but pirates.

[tankanidis]

Originally posted by -iD-:

none of those definitions apply to denuvo though, it can't get unauthorized access to a pc at all. and its not detrimental to anyone but pirates.

Pirates DONT PLAY THE GAME WITH DENUVO THEY REMOVE IT


So the ONLY people who play with Denuvo and suffer it's FPS reduction/stutters are *drumroll*.... legitimate paying customers.

[AndryGate]

Every developer, when creating a game, first of all idealizes a game environment that stimulates the player's curiosity, the environment and atmosphere were created to make it easy for the player to immerse himself in this Fantasy/horror/etc..

Steam is a gaming platform like many others. What Steam does is bring the player into a highly interactable environment where they can discuss, collect items, sell or trade with other players. Steam is a free platform, which has some limitations that are sometimes overlooked by the player. What a developer strives to do is take care of his game world to captivate the player. The application of third party software which has the invasive and often unjustified purpose of restricting players/customers, this in itself is already impacting the overall player experience.

Steam gives you all the tools you need to discourage piracy, there is no need to pay or acquire DRM services, Steam is the most popular platform in the world of PC gaming.

Dragon's Dogma 2, we hypothesize that it will be a very immersive world as Hideaki Itsuno also suggests, a gaming PC can cost from 1400 to 2500 dollars, we are not talking about a cheap plastic box, how could a player feel comfortable with a game , when third-party services are constantly running on your PC and affecting its performance and consumer rights.

[/dev/random]

A good, but useless post. The only way to change the situation - stop paying companies for such products, which is pretty much impossible within a community, where its members are willing to pay even for the unreleased and unfinished games.

[HiRed_ThuG]

Originally posted by AndryGate:

pirates fighting for consumer rights.

This is a joke right? Right?