Both Magick Archer and Archer are pathetically underpowered

[Traslo]

Honestly, both classes have so little stopping power and so low damage it's insane. Archer is basically unusable without its master skill, and magick archer looks like it does good damage but the aiming and slow buildup means your DPS is basically zero.

How tf did these make it to release.

[NegativeZero]

Vocations and balance in this game are terrible. Crapcom are so inept and ridiculous.

[AvG]

I really like Magic Archer.
Some tips though, if you don't put dwarven on your weapon your stagger power isn't that good. It may be worth wearing stagger augment as well.
once I did I had a lot better time interrupt charge attacks. you always have a multishot charging so if they fly at you, you can unload and catch them in it even if it wasn't the original target. This only works if your shots have enough stagger to knock them out of their attack.

hum...everyone probably knows about maytr's shot, its quite op, if you get staggered while charging it your probably dead though as it will fail.

sleep shot and avalanche shot are amazing. i just hate golems. I am stuck just pushing their legs so they topple over and that's it.

[Rena Ichigawa]

Magick archer can solo a dragon in second, what you mean its underpowered? If youre using the other shot style, yeah it targets slow, but higher powr shot damage vs rivet that locks shots so incredibly fast it can stunlock most enemies shy of a golem or drake.

[Accel Lex]

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Messaggio originale di Sifer2:

Really don't agree with the idea Archer sucks. It feels pretty easy mode actually. Especially once you can afford to just load up on the special arrows for tougher enemies. What sucks is it's not a good profession for Pawns. They just don't use it nearly as well, and I don't think special arrows carry over if other players hire them since it's a consumable, and not equipped.

even as main pawn they don't use it correctly, for exemple i gave 10 explosive arrows to my pawn and he wasted them immediately on gobelins.
then before fighting a dragon i gave him 70 arrows and he just used 3 for the fight.
well the fight was 2 minutes long, he had plenty of time to use more explosives.

I gave my pawn explosive and tarred arrows hoping they'd save them for bosses. By the time we got to bosses, all out. They used them up on goblins for me as well.

[Accel Lex]

I still remember starting out with Magic Archer and thinking it was meh AT FIRST.
I got a better bow, and the multishooting ability became my main ability. It DECIMATED most enemies I targeted on their weak spots. Griffins, Minotaurs, Cyclopses, Ogres, anything indoors with Ricochet Bolt, flying enemies like Griffins, all became trivial. Warfarer became my bridge between Magic Archer and Thief. Ultimately using up a skill just to change weapons got too annoying for me, so I swapped to Thief. But Magic Archer would be my second choice. Thief is just too good. Only exception is farther enemies.

[AvG]

oh yeah as magic archer all caves and its inhabitants fear me.
also i think magic archer starts out with a lower max, it tempers expectations until you get the core skill that lets you have 7 shots.
I can make a short video of me going around as an example if you like. Even if im terrible at it myself. It may be good to see from my perspective because I only have one upgrade on my bow, and haven't really gotten any endgame stuff yet.

[Karkarov]

I laugh every time anyone says thief is even close to a magick archer. Take away the I win button and thief is just so so dps.

[D. Flame]

Magic Archer is weak and over-rated. Like show us it melting a dragon without its maister skill.

[Dollmaker]

I think people really underestimate Archer.

The special arrows are stronger than you think, specifically talking about Tarring, Blighted and Drenching.

Tarring allows you to cause a lot of fire dmg.

Drenching makes the target far more vulnerable to freezing, which makes easy to constantly stun them.

And double Blighted arrow will apply the strong poison that melts HP (just look at how pricy and heavier these arrows are compared to the rest)

Could also mention Tempest shot, literally a turret that will hurt BAD when aimed at weak spots, specially on downed bosses.

[[WHK] Heidenherz]

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I laugh every time anyone says thief is even close to a magick archer. Take away the I win button and thief is just so so dps.

Formless Faint so you don't burn yourself and then Blades of the Pyre, to one shot Griffins, Drakes, Ogres and all that stuff, what are you talking about? :D Only thing taking more is Cyclops with armor on, because the explosion doesn't get thru.

[Dollmaker]

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I laugh every time anyone says thief is even close to a magick archer. Take away the I win button and thief is just so so dps.

Formless Faint so you don't burn yourself and then Blades of the Pyre, to one shot Griffins, Drakes, Ogres and all that stuff, what are you talking about? :D Only thing taking more is Cyclops with armor on, because the explosion doesn't get thru.

Yeah that combo is pretty stupid.

[Smug Kot]

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Formless Faint so you don't burn yourself and then Blades of the Pyre, to one shot Griffins, Drakes, Ogres and all that stuff, what are you talking about? :D Only thing taking more is Cyclops with armor on, because the explosion doesn't get thru.

Yeah that combo is pretty stupid.

All those skills are flawed stupid by default and shouldn't be a thing in first place.

[Dollmaker]

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Yeah that combo is pretty stupid.

All those skills are flawed stupid by default and shouldn't be a thing in first place.

I mean, Blades itself isnt, since its comes at a cost.

Formless removes it though, and even on its own its dumb.

[AvG]

I made a brief video with my typical magic archer run. Don't expect anything spectacular but I had fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw78JR60Zfo

[Swagiii]

I've put a lot of hours into Archer, it is NOT underpowered at all. Able to take out most things with a single Erupting Shot and finishing it off with a few Deathly Arrows. Haven't even had a need to use the maister skill cause the Tar + Exploding arrows combo is too strong. Keep in mind the auto aim is insanely good against flying enemies and small mobs.