Not supporting the GTX 1070 is really lame

[Braden]

especially when the minimum requirements on the store page contradict the error dialogue I get saying that the game does in fact support the 1070. Yeesh, good thing I didn't waste my money on this.

[Amaterasu]

Автор сообщения: JtDarth

Автор сообщения: Sun Goddess

You spoke out against a Shounen anime game. Shounen fans are some of the most vitriolic and toxic people on the planet.

I mean, are we trying to sidestep that Sparking is actually the objectively most technically advanced DBZ game to come out yet, fidelity wise? Or that it is a return to the older series that got left dormant that had more technically complex gameplay (with far higher skill ceiling) than the likes of Xenoverse or Kakarot? Same series that was exceedingly well-loved and is for good reason lauded as the mechanically best dragon ball games ever?
It's looking to be the best DBZ 3D fighter we've ever gotten, as far as graphics and gameplay depth are concerned.
I have major issues with the apparent lack of the characters from the Z movies and GT, but aside from that there really isn't anything substantial to complain about with it. It's certainly an imporvement on the typical modern 3D anime fighter modeled off the Naruto ones that have been so simplified they lose all depth and lack in spectacle.

People weren't upset at him for having valid opinions, I'd be willing to put money on it. More likely they were annoyed at him craptalking a franchise with no context for why people are excited for it or otherwise talking about things he has no knowledge of. I'd even be willing to put money on his claims about people 'endorsing denuvo' are in a context like 'if that's what it takes to get it on PC' or 'They are going to put in DRM, Denuvo is better than the alternative options'.

Maybe don't blindly take a ♥♥♥♥-stirrer constantly tossing around accusations of 'fanboyism' and 'worshipping corpo' at face value, yeah?

I'm someone that has an outsider perspective on the shounen fandoms. I know how shounen fans are. I was once a shounen fan, course now I hate it.

As for whose side I'm on? No one's. If he kicked a hornet's nest, that's his problem for getting stung. But I'm not going to side with the hornets either.

[dampf.l]

Автор сообщения: Braden

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and not everyone is keen to pay thousands of dollars to a scalper for an RTX that if we stay on this absurd trajectory will be outdated in 5 years.
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Graphic cards are not really cheap, but it's not 2021 anymore. Get some card for 400 $ (4060 Ti or 7700 XT) and enjoy.

Maybe still not worth the money, but far away from thousands of $. And guess what: Save 30 Cents/day (10 $/month) and buy a new card in 5 years!

But I also must agree: The game would be quite enjoyable on the GTX 1070 in low settings, Full HD FSR Performance Mode, 50 FPS (I guess your CPU is also 8 years old), looking like original Dragon's Dogma did on a PS3 or XBox360. But yes, your right, that would be your decision, at least if the 1070 would be supported, it would be playable!

[AntiGrieferGames]

Автор сообщения: Jeff Benzo$

the gtx 1070 is now 8 years old. Technology has progressed rapidly. The age of your card is irrelevant. It is massively outdated. Good job sucking yourself off for not purchasing one of the greatest rpgs ever. Update your pc. You're going to find yourself unable to play much of anything even at 30 fps here soon with all these ue5 games coming out.

theres alot better rpgs than this. Dragons dogma 1 alone is even better. Wuthering Waves aswell.
The GTX 1070 still holds up today. And even if this game starts, it runs only at 30fps+ lowest 1080p vs Wuthering Waves/DD1 highest 1080p 60fps+

[Dustreaper]

LOL you are actually so disconnected from reality it's really funny. a 1070 is garbage it's what 8 years old? And you expect to run the most recent games on that? Let me bring out my 3ds and let me play switch games on that... You do know if you got your way games would actually become stale they won't grow i am not only speaking graphics but just size and npc count would just stagnate.. The writing is not getting any beter these days so if we lose technology games would't even be worth it... This game is probably a bad example should have way beter optimisation or just cutting stuff out that doesn't add much but hogs performance.

It's all about your own personal situation but paying what 2200 euro's every 5-6 years to play the latest games basically top end is not expensive... Do you know what is expensive cars and maintenance for them.( lucky i don't need one either) Saves money...

[Q]

Автор сообщения: dampf.l

Автор сообщения: Braden

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and not everyone is keen to pay thousands of dollars to a scalper for an RTX that if we stay on this absurd trajectory will be outdated in 5 years.
...

Graphic cards are not really cheap, but it's not 2021 anymore. Get some card for 400 $ (4060 Ti or 7700 XT) and enjoy.

Maybe still not worth the money, but far away from thousands of $. And guess what: Save 30 Cents/day (10 $/month) and buy a new card in 5 years!

But I also must agree: The game would be quite enjoyable on the GTX 1070 in low settings, Full HD FSR Performance Mode, 50 FPS (I guess your CPU is also 8 years old), looking like original Dragon's Dogma did on a PS3 or XBox360. But yes, your right, that would be your decision, at least if the 1070 would be supported, it would be playable!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csdxH-oMO0Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IqhT8007_Y

Game is half baked and poorly optimized, there's no denying that specially with gamers nexus video showing the poor performance and it barely changed with recent patches.
A 3060 obvioulsy can handle so many great games at 1080 max settings, compared to 1070 and 4060 is much better yet that doesn't justify this half baked title, telling ppl to get more powerful hardware cuz half baked game demands it is absurd.

[CheemCheem]

We are in 2024 bro.....

[dampf.l]

Автор сообщения: Berries and Cream

... doesn't justify this half baked title, telling ppl to get more powerful hardware cuz half baked game demands it is absurd.

If this title doesn't justify new hardware, which is true, do it for all the other games you like!


Just do it, like you did 6 years ago, buying a 1070! You decided to pay 300 to 400 $ back then? Why? Because you wanted to be up to date, enjoy games!

It's nothing else right now. Buy a graphic card for 400 $ (or 550 $, a 7800 XT or 4070) and enjoy!

Enjoy playing games!

So many games have been released the last 5 years, maybe running on a 1070, but how?


1080p? 30 to 60 FPS? Medium or low settings? Is that really fun? Is that what gaming as a hobby should be like? Playing on 6 or 8 years old hardware, worth less than 100 $?

[hypehype]

Автор сообщения: Braden

The GTX 1070 is not that old. It was literally the cutting edge 6 years ago (edit: yeah yeah, 1080, two year discrepancy, not important). You could get away with not supporting a setup from a handful of years ago back in the early 2000's / mid-90's, but it's not It's not the mid-2000's any more. Not having some specific hardware feature is no excuse to stop the whole game from running. That's what graphics settings are for. Believe it or not, we don't all need 16x antialiasing on the leaves of grass and raytracing and 8K resolution, and not everyone is keen to pay thousands of dollars to a scalper for an RTX that if we stay on this absurd trajectory will be outdated in 5 years. Some of us don't upgrade to the latest smartphone every year, because the Pixel 2XL we got several years ago still works fine. Give support for lower versions of DirectX, more portability, lower effects, etc. Wide support and configurability is literally the whole allure of PC gaming. There is no good reason not to support the GTX 10XX family. I'm sure the game will work fine without the "AtomicInt64OnDescriptorHeapResource" feature.

Frankly, if Windows and DX12 have no problem supporting my graphics hardware, then a game using DX12 should have no problem, either.

Computer parts are like dogs, they age at a different rate to. us.

I always tell people that 1 year for us is 10 years for a computer part.

[Funkmeister]

Try it with lossless scaling frame generation and thank me later.

[Money Christ]

Автор сообщения: Braden

Автор сообщения: Jeff Benzo$

the gtx 1070 is now 8 years old. Technology has progressed rapidly. The age of your card is irrelevant. It is massively outdated. Good job sucking yourself off for not purchasing one of the greatest rpgs ever. Update your pc. You're going to find yourself unable to play much of anything even at 30 fps here soon with all these ue5 games coming out.

Moore's Law is dead and has been dead for over a decade. Technology doesn't progress as rapidly as you think. A.I. is a scam and adding a new coat of paint is not innovation. Your assertion may have been true 20 years ago, but it is 2024 and my PC from 2018 still runs as well today as it did when I bought it.

Speaking as a software developer, there is no good reason not to support the GTX 1070, or the GTX 950, for that matter. They have the features and APIs necessary to do what needs to be done, and again, the whole allure of PC gaming is the extent to which you can configure things, especially graphics settings.

Go back to your PS5, but when you get older and you realize that I was right and that gameplay > graphics, don't come crying to me.

I hate to tell you but ai frame generation isn't a marketing ploy, it works and is a massive framerate boost for any title that supports it. There doesn't seem much sense in arguing with you though since you seem to know more than people who actually work in tech industries. Lmfao.

Also you've never written a line of code in your life. Well maybe one in the 80s. That doesn't mean you have any idea what you're talking about today. Youre not doing much more than putting your own ignorance on display. But I'd wager if you were an actual software engineer you'd be able to afford a gpu that isn't 8 years old. Whine more, manlet

[JtDarth]

Автор сообщения: Jeff Benzo$

Автор сообщения: Braden

Moore's Law is dead and has been dead for over a decade. Technology doesn't progress as rapidly as you think. A.I. is a scam and adding a new coat of paint is not innovation. Your assertion may have been true 20 years ago, but it is 2024 and my PC from 2018 still runs as well today as it did when I bought it.

Speaking as a software developer, there is no good reason not to support the GTX 1070, or the GTX 950, for that matter. They have the features and APIs necessary to do what needs to be done, and again, the whole allure of PC gaming is the extent to which you can configure things, especially graphics settings.

Go back to your PS5, but when you get older and you realize that I was right and that gameplay > graphics, don't come crying to me.

I hate to tell you but ai frame generation isn't a marketing ploy, it works and is a massive framerate boost for any title that supports it. There doesn't seem much sense in arguing with you though since you seem to know more than people who actually work in tech industries. Lmfao.

Also you've never written a line of code in your life. Well maybe one in the 80s. That doesn't mean you have any idea what you're talking about today. Youre not doing much more than putting your own ignorance on display. But I'd wager if you were an actual software engineer you'd be able to afford a gpu that isn't 8 years old. Whine more, manlet

AI frame gen absolutely is a scam. It isn't actually increasing frame rate, it is inserting fake frames between the one that was just displayed, and what it expects to see next.
Just like TAA, this causes various forms of artifacts and generally lowers final image quality. Some are more sensitive to it than others. It also introduces HORRENDOUS input latency if you aren't already maintaining 60+ in the first place. TAA is a whole different discussion altogether, but I'll just say that TAA is the reason that sometimes DLSS looks better than native res, and that it is why modern games look blurrier/hazier than older gamers remember games being.

It's (frame gen) mainly a thing for people already at decent framerates to try to match their monitor's high refresh rates when they can't do it naturally. It's not actually a performance enhancer, especially when there are already issues with inconsistent frame pacing. Especially with most people on a remotely modern card not being limited by raw horsepower of their card these days, but by VRAM limits, which Frame gen does not help with in the slightest. If the card is actually struggling for horsepower, frame gen isn't going to help, as it actually increases the load on the card.

Upscaling is LESS of a scam, but also unfortunately is abused by marketing departments as a crutch to try to push 'next-gen graphics' that the hardware available can't actually do at native resolutions, instead of being used as a tool to prop up the low end cards and keep them functioning just a bit longer.

I can safely say YOU'VE never written a line of code or interacted with a render pipeline in your life if you don't understand that there are in fact issues with frame gen and that it is, in fact, not actually free frames. Same goes for upscaling tech.


Mind you, OP absolutely is full of crap when he claims that cards haven't increased in raw power in the last 8 years, although they have hit something of a limit on efficiency, as showcased by the cards bloating in physical size and in power consumption at an accelerated rate, at least on NVIDIA's side. AMD isn't matching in raw performance at the top end because they decided against Tim Tayloring their GPUs and are instead planning to do what they did with the FX cpus and sit in the budget/middle end market while they go back to the drawing board to find a way around the limitations.
NVIDIA is also kind of coasting on scummy business tactics with regards to RT, as they pulled the same thing they did back in the day with PhysX, where they got in earlier and funded development of the tools for implementing the tech, thus resulting in implementations specifically biased in favor of Nvidia hardware. Which is why the gap narrows in games designed for current console gen first. Because those are AMD and thus they can't afford to blindly lean on the NVIDIA favoring methods.

FTR: I'm on an Nvidia GPU at the moment, although my next will be either AMD or Intel, most likely AMD.

[Kanonymous]

Автор сообщения: sL3nd3rMann

Stop fanboying for giant companies.

Instead, be fanboy of a youtuber... lol

[Toutius Sextius]

lol

[Q]

Instead, be fanboy of a youtuber... lol

??? u mad cuz gamers nexus has proven how dd2 is a half baked broken game? i know its hard to accept facts and actual proof but fanboying for corpo and defending this disaster is much worse than linking a video with proper benchmarks and evidence, all the other ppl saying "runs fine for me" is just personal anecdote aka no facts no proof of anything.
sadly corpo worshiping is a real thing, ppl defending capcom and attacking OP contribute with absolutely nothing of value to this discussion.

[Rubinstein]

Автор сообщения: Berries and Cream

Instead, be fanboy of a youtuber... lol

??? u mad cuz

rolflol

Автор сообщения: Berries and Cream

nothing of value to this discussion.

there is no such thing like a discussion if you only accept a certain kind of (mostly negative) opinions.