meh

[アゼム]

meh

[Ryvaku]

I haven't made it to that point, but I can understand will how garbage the story is and the design of NPCs. I expect Capcom to get worse over time because it's strikes me more of a Japanese company becoming Westernized.

[PandaSav]

Its a damn shame that majority AAAA JP companies have big shares with blackrock and vanguard etc

[Ryvaku]

Originally posted by アゼム:

Originally posted by Ryvaku:

I haven't made it to that point, but I can understand will how garbage the story is and the design of NPCs. I expect Capcom to get worse over time because it's strikes me more of a Japanese company becoming Westernized.

I'm guessing you played Dark Arisen. Well this time he's not a god, he's just some loser ghost sitting around and complaining about how his life sucked nonstop

Of course I did. I loved that game. I knew it was far better in story, music and other things. The moment I saw missing content in this game I knew it was gonna be worse elsewhere.

I really need a see video of that character. How does a character like that even achieve to reach that point if they act like that. Maybe it's a depiction of western story telling. I need to finish the game to see this for myself.

[Greywolf]

Originally posted by アゼム:

So Rothais is the Seneschal in DD2 if you didn't know
And you'd be forgiven for forgetting who Rothais is since every character in this game ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sucks
But he's the old Sovran at the bottom of the sea shrine

How did they make this Seneschal so lame and whiny compared to the godlike and epic one in the first game

You should make one of those memes with the DD! seneschal being the chad and the DD@ senechal being the virgin

[Knavenformed]

It's so dumb that they make the Seneschal look like such a debbie downer chump just to hype up the "One Above"

And you end up fighting him in a cutscene more or less and kinda just breaking the whole uniqueness of the Dogma cycle

[Kuma]

He definitely is not the Seneschal as there is none in this game, just the Watcher lol, but I do agree his character does kinda suck. As far as we know hes the only Sovran that tried to defy the watcher, and failed obviously, which he was dubbed as the mad Sovran. The story was way to rushed. He seems like hes supposed to be this big and important character but we see him like...twice in the whole game. He also apparently has connections with the other past Arisen who are apparently loyal to him but we get 0 insight as to why.

[Knavenformed]

Originally posted by アゼム:

He is the seneschal, you are wrong.
He literally gives you the godsbane from his chest, the exact same sword you get from the other one and in the same manner.
He talks endlessly about how, after becoming sovran, he went on to rule the world.

+he sits on the Seneschal chair

[Devitancotia]

I think he is not the Seneschal, may be that will do some sense.

It is just the chair. As I understand it in DD2 there is no such a role as Seneschal back in DD1/DDDA. The Seneschal got split, break down into 2 characters, one is Rothais and the other Pathfinder. And mostly, Pathfinder is more akin to a seneschal, the god, while he is also the brine.

[Devitancotia]

Originally posted by アゼム:

He literally gives you the godsbane from his chest, the exact same sword you get from the other one and in the same manner.
He talks endlessly about how, after becoming sovran, he went on to rule the world.

And if that doesn't convince you, wait for the most convincing evidence. In the Japanese language, he is still called (their word) for seneschal. Like, he is literally referred to as the same title that they use in the first game.

That is true he give you that, but it is just like godsbane in DD2 is godsway now, and that sword simply represent his soul power as an arisen.

Good to know that in Japanese. But I think that only means 'seneschal' in DD2 is this, but not really the same sense as in DD1.

[Greb]

Oh, you're not here to fight me?

Alright, well, in that case, take my soul.

Awight guv? Take it easy! Cheerio!

We all know a human Seneschal wouldn't have been so depressed and tired, don't we? Rothias has the same energy as that lion getting his balls bitten by the lioness. Only a Beastren would be that sad and run down! We were all thinking it! I'm just the one saying it! Look at the evidence! The statistics! Look what they're saying over on oXen!

Rotias only got the job because WE, HUMANITY decided to Godsbane ourselves and left the throne wide open for them to just wander in and take it! And look what they did with it! They couldn't even be bothered to use it properly and decided to abuse their power to form their own little kingdom down in the very place they were supposed to be watching over! Then they got bored with it! He did such a terrible job they named him KING instead of SENESCHAL out of a strong sense of disgust for it all. Shameful display! For shame! Shame!

Strike down the Beastren wherever you find them! To arms, my brothers, to arms! To the swords! To the maces! Fetch the pitch, fetch the embers! We are going to have to act if we want to live in a different world! Down with this Beastren yoke, begone with this Beastren rabble, humans are the real masters of this lonely, wretched endless coil!

[Devitancotia]

Originally posted by アゼム:

Yeah, but as I said, DD2 operates by the same rules as DD1 because Gran Soren is literally in the game. It's the same universe.

Not really can means that imo. It can be just an Easter Egg to show it. Because in game lore never pick it up or even hint at it. But yea, even the wall and bluemoon tower at the cliff.

But even if it is the same universe, it can say that they soft reboot it, and flushed out the setting. Because there is a lot much different in DD2 now. I do not think the very same, rules still apply 100%.

One in this case is seneschal. If as you said they mentioned him as seneschal in Japanese, I think I am more sure on the opinion that the seneschal role is split into 2 characters.

[Devitancotia]

There was another thread, although kind of derailed people had talk about it.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/2054970/discussions/0/4352240180487421836/

And I also shared my thoughts on a similar theory back there.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DragonsDogma2/comments/1bvxuam/theory_the_seneschal_of_dragons_dogma_2/

[Devitancotia]

Originally posted by アゼム:

I mean, ignoring everything they put in and writing it off as an easter egg is definitely a... choice

There's not really any evidence to your split theory. But there's loads of evidence to mine

I didn't 'ignoring', did I? I simply said it could be ether way, because in game lore didn't pick it up. I did tell you how much the geometry is also match.

It can be just Easter eggs, showing that the time past so long even Gransys in on the sea bed now. But other than that it is a alt setting, with maybe a alt Gransys as past but not really lore. This also does match their own lore explanation pre-launch.

We can talk about evidence and lore if you want to.

[Ryvaku]

Originally posted by Greb:

Oh, you're not here to fight me?

Alright, well, in that case, take my soul.

Awight guv? Take it easy! Cheerio!

We all know a human Seneschal wouldn't have been so depressed and tired, don't we? Rothias has the same energy as that lion getting his balls bitten by the lioness. Only a Beastren would be that sad and run down! We were all thinking it! I'm just the one saying it! Look at the evidence! The statistics! Look what they're saying over on oXen!

Rotias only got the job because WE, HUMANITY decided to Godsbane ourselves and left the throne wide open for them to just wander in and take it! And look what they did with it! They couldn't even be bothered to use it properly and decided to abuse their power to form their own little kingdom down in the very place they were supposed to be watching over! Then they got bored with it! He did such a terrible job they named him KING instead of SENESCHAL out of a strong sense of disgust for it all. Shameful display! For shame! Shame!

This fits now. Makes the story clearer.

[Kuma]

Originally posted by アゼム:

Originally posted by Kuma:

He definitely is not the Seneschal as there is none in this game, just the Watcher lol, but I do agree his character does kinda suck. As far as we know hes the only Sovran that tried to defy the watcher, and failed obviously, which he was dubbed as the mad Sovran. The story was way to rushed. He seems like hes supposed to be this big and important character but we see him like...twice in the whole game. He also apparently has connections with the other past Arisen who are apparently loyal to him but we get 0 insight as to why.

He is the seneschal, you are wrong.
He literally gives you the godsbane from his chest, the exact same sword you get from the other one and in the same manner.
He talks endlessly about how, after becoming sovran, he went on to rule the world.

And if that doesn't convince you, wait for the most convincing evidence. In the Japanese language, he is still called (their word) for seneschal. Like, he is literally referred to as the same title that they use in the first game.

And as far as "there is none in this game". There has to be, because this game technically follows the rules from the first game because it is a continuation, a sequel. The seafloor shrine is quite literally a ruin of Gran Soren. Look it up

Its... not a direct sequal to the first game at all lol. They've even stated in interviews that this one takes place in another world/dimension. This game is also just a reimagination of the first, another thing theyve already stated. I didnt know about the japanese translation as I didnt play in japanese, but that doesnt really make me wrong it just means the "Seneschal" is just completely different in this game. He gives you the godsbane and sits in the same chair thats it. The whole rule the world thing was, as I already said, was him trying to defy his fate, hence given the title "The Mad Sovran". The Pathfinder is this games equivalent of the Seneschal. He's literally modeled after him, completely robed, has an aura about him, even displays his power to create. Rothiai's does literally none of that, nor is it ever mentioned that he does. The only real relation Rothais has to the Seneschal is that he sits in the same chair, gives you the godsbane, and is apparently fighting off other Arisen the pathfinder sends to try and kill him. The godsbane isnt even the same as it is in the first game too lol. There wasnt any real lore for it beside it being a sword that was used to kill the Seneschal so the next Arisen can become Seneschal. In this its just a blade made from Rothais own soul.