Gran Soren is in DD2 theory

[Ikabud Cream]

I was watching a random streamer named Roza Coatl. She just arrived in the unmoored world and when she came to the seafloor shrine she suddenly said that was Gran Soren city map. and tried to compare it to Gran Soren and even noticed the castle map is in reverse.

You can guess that Moonlight Tower is actually Bluemoon Tower. Based on the distance even if the map is reversed it kinda works

Have we been playing a new cycle which was built upon a destroyed Gran Soren? OMG I watched some streams and DD2 videos on youtube and only this random streamer said that and now I'm obsessed in the theory of the world is the former Gran Soren.

[chaosdemon122]

Originally posted by Ikabud Cream:

I was watching a random streamer named Roza Coatl. She just arrived in the unmoored world and when she came to the seafloor shrine she suddenly said that was Gran Soren city map. and tried to compare it to Gran Soren and even noticed the castle map is in reverse.

You can guess that Moonlight Tower is actually Bluemoon Tower. Based on the distance even if the map is reversed it kinda works

Have we been playing a new cycle which was built upon a destroyed Gran Soren? OMG I watched some streams and DD2 videos on youtube and only this random streamer said that and now I'm obsessed in the theory of the world is the former Gran Soren.

The Seafloor Shrine in the end game is Gran Soren.

Edit: The area where you first meet Rothais and get the Godsbane blade is the Everfall.

Edit 2: You can confirm that the Seafloor shrine is Gran Soren if you look at a map of Gran Soren from DD1 and compare the opened map of the Seafloor Shrine to it.

[chaosdemon122]

So, essentially, DD2 takes place after the Arisen from DD1 uses the Godsbane as the Seneschal. Essentially, the use of the Godsbane in DD1 effectively breaks the cycle, but it's not a permanent effect, as we see, with DD2 being made. It really just broke the cycle for the creation of a new world.

[[-iD-]]

Originally posted by chaosdemon122:

So, essentially, DD2 takes place after the Arisen from DD1 uses the Godsbane as the Seneschal. Essentially, the use of the Godsbane in DD1 effectively breaks the cycle, but it's not a permanent effect, as we see, with DD2 being made. It really just broke the cycle for the creation of a new world.

itsuno is pretty clear that its a parallel universe so its more like that the seneshal doesn't actually exist as some have clearly said in the thread and that the events of dd1 never really happened.
and that the gran soren appearance is simply an easter egg.

[chaosdemon122]

Originally posted by -iD-:

Originally posted by chaosdemon122:

So, essentially, DD2 takes place after the Arisen from DD1 uses the Godsbane as the Seneschal. Essentially, the use of the Godsbane in DD1 effectively breaks the cycle, but it's not a permanent effect, as we see, with DD2 being made. It really just broke the cycle for the creation of a new world.

itsuno is pretty clear that its a parallel universe so its more like that the seneshal doesn't actually exist as some have clearly said in the thread and that the events of dd1 never really happened.
and that the gran soren appearance is simply an easter egg.

Theories upon theories upon theories. The Seafloor Shrine is literally a 1:1 likeness, therefore cannot be coincidence. If it were nothing more than an easter egg, they would have done it in a different way than they did. The giant a$$ hole in the middle filled with rubble? Exactly where the ground collapsed in DD1 when you killed the dragon. The area where you find Rothais to get the Godsbane blade? Bottom floor of the Everfall where the chandelier looking thing was in DD1. If DD2 were actually a parallel universe as if the events of DD1 never happened, there would have been different easter eggs than adding Gran Soren. The Devs can say whatever they want, I don't believe that it's just an easter egg.

[[-iD-]]

Originally posted by chaosdemon122:

Originally posted by -iD-:

itsuno is pretty clear that its a parallel universe so its more like that the seneshal doesn't actually exist as some have clearly said in the thread and that the events of dd1 never really happened.
and that the gran soren appearance is simply an easter egg.

Theories upon theories upon theories. The Seafloor Shrine is literally a 1:1 likeness, therefore cannot be coincidence. If it were nothing more than an easter egg, they would have done it in a different way than they did. The giant a$$ hole in the middle filled with rubble? Exactly where the ground collapsed in DD1 when you killed the dragon. The area where you find Rothais to get the Godsbane blade? Bottom floor of the Everfall where the chandelier looking thing was in DD1. If DD2 were actually a parallel universe as if the events of DD1 never happened, there would have been different easter eggs than adding Gran Soren. The Devs can say whatever they want, I don't believe that it's just an easter egg.

i believe he literally said parallel universe but there would be landmarks people recognized. not a theory if its based of of the creator of the games own words.

[chaosdemon122]

Originally posted by -iD-:

Originally posted by chaosdemon122:

Theories upon theories upon theories. The Seafloor Shrine is literally a 1:1 likeness, therefore cannot be coincidence. If it were nothing more than an easter egg, they would have done it in a different way than they did. The giant a$$ hole in the middle filled with rubble? Exactly where the ground collapsed in DD1 when you killed the dragon. The area where you find Rothais to get the Godsbane blade? Bottom floor of the Everfall where the chandelier looking thing was in DD1. If DD2 were actually a parallel universe as if the events of DD1 never happened, there would have been different easter eggs than adding Gran Soren. The Devs can say whatever they want, I don't believe that it's just an easter egg.

i believe he literally said parallel universe but there would be landmarks people recognized. not a theory if its based of of the creator of the games own words.

You can say what you want. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and parallel universe or not, I don't believe that it's an easter egg, nor do I believe that it's a coincidence.

[[-iD-]]

Originally posted by chaosdemon122:

Originally posted by -iD-:

i believe he literally said parallel universe but there would be landmarks people recognized. not a theory if its based of of the creator of the games own words.

You can say what you want. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and parallel universe or not, I don't believe that it's an easter egg, nor do I believe that it's a coincidence.

i dont understand why you dont take the creators explanation to heart, he knows more about it than anyone.

[Muscarine]

Originally posted by chaosdemon122:

So, essentially, DD2 takes place after the Arisen from DD1 uses the Godsbane as the Seneschal. Essentially, the use of the Godsbane in DD1 effectively breaks the cycle, but it's not a permanent effect, as we see, with DD2 being made. It really just broke the cycle for the creation of a new world.

That's why they take so long to show the II in Dragon's Dogma II

You basically spend your whole time until the unmoored, at which point they're like gotcha, it's a sequel

Originally posted by -iD-:

i dont understand why you dont take the creators explanation to heart, he knows more about it than anyone.

DD has always been about parallel universes, what you're getting wrong is the idea that Gran Soren only existed in one of them

[Devitancotia]

True, It is not just Gran Soren, everything is exactly in place, even in scale. Like Bluemoon tower, the Great Wall, the bay. You can compare the map with DD1/DDDA. Maybe a vast terrain difference, but that can be just time, because they are already on sea floor.

But Itsuno the directer of the whole series himself did say, DD2 is not a direct sequel to the first and there are things different in the world and its setting. As himself explained, DD2 is like a re-realization of the idea behind DD1, or original Dragon's Dogma. There is an entry about this in DD wiki.

And as a matter of fact, DD2 indeed is very different from DD1/DDDA. But we can still recognize and relish that Gransys is part of this world's past as well.

[[-iD-]]

Originally posted by Muscarine:

Originally posted by chaosdemon122:

So, essentially, DD2 takes place after the Arisen from DD1 uses the Godsbane as the Seneschal. Essentially, the use of the Godsbane in DD1 effectively breaks the cycle, but it's not a permanent effect, as we see, with DD2 being made. It really just broke the cycle for the creation of a new world.

That's why they take so long to show the II in Dragon's Dogma II

You basically spend your whole time until the unmoored, at which point they're like gotcha, it's a sequel

Originally posted by -iD-:

i dont understand why you dont take the creators explanation to heart, he knows more about it than anyone.

DD has always been about parallel universes, what you're getting wrong is the idea that Gran Soren only existed in one of them

regardless its not the gran soren you know, this one was ruled by beastren. which literally dont exist in the first game.

[President Fluffy Tail]

Roth even says that Pathfinder been sending Arisen to kill him for a long time, that's why there's godpath stuff lying around. Eventually the pathfinder stopped trying to out right kill him and instead switched to a method to what we see now. Roth saying that he discovered the Pathfinder's existence after taking over the world. Mean to me that the Pathfinder been trying to find someone to replace the sensechal and besides us, roth came the closest but decided not to take the job because he couldn't accept being manipulated.

Pathfinder all like: Bro Kill the dragon, become god, rule the world.

Roth: reee don't threaten me with a good time

Pathfinder: Why can't find someone that will just do their job? :'(

Now I wonder if the Sea Hermit is going to discorver BBI haha.

[President Fluffy Tail]

Originally posted by President Fluffy Tail:

Roth even says that Pathfinder been sending Arisen to kill him for a long time, that's why there's godpath stuff lying around. Eventually the pathfinder stopped trying to out right kill him and instead switched to a method to what we see now. Roth saying that he discovered the Pathfinder's existence after taking over the world. Mean to me that the Pathfinder been trying to find someone to replace the sensechal and besides us, roth came the closest but decided not to take the job because he couldn't accept being manipulated.

Pathfinder all like: Bro Kill the dragon, become god, rule the world.

Roth: reee don't threaten me with a good time

Pathfinder: Why can't I find someone that will just do their job? :'(

Now I wonder if the Sea Hermit is going to discorver BBI haha.

[ffrotty]

Originally posted by Ikabud Cream:

I was watching a random streamer named Roza Coatl. She just arrived in the unmoored world and when she came to the seafloor shrine she suddenly said that was Gran Soren city map. and tried to compare it to Gran Soren and even noticed the castle map is in reverse.

You can guess that Moonlight Tower is actually Bluemoon Tower. Based on the distance even if the map is reversed it kinda works

Have we been playing a new cycle which was built upon a destroyed Gran Soren? OMG I watched some streams and DD2 videos on youtube and only this random streamer said that and now I'm obsessed in the theory of the world is the former Gran Soren.

i mean, yes, since the game is technically "Dragon's Dogma" until the end when the title changes to DD2

it's quite literally the same game as the first up to that point.

i don't think the geography matches exactly so i wouldn't stretch t

hat the towers are the same, but the architecture of seafloor is similar to gran soren castle.


and yes, this was literally posted when the game launched. so a lot of "streamers" are just being fed content from reddit / whatever.

[Muscarine]

Originally posted by President Fluffy Tail:

Mean to me that the Pathfinder been trying to find someone to replace the sensechal and besides us, roth came the closest but decided not to take the job because he couldn't accept being manipulated.

Not just because he didn't want, he couldn't break out of the cycle, my assumption is that it's because he ended up alone, and specifically without a Main Pawn

By the "full" ending narrative, you can only kill the last Dragon thanks to the bond shared between your Pawn and yourself

[ffrotty]

Originally posted by -iD-:

regardless its not the gran soren you know, this one was ruled by beastren. which literally dont exist in the first game.

it's literally the gran soren castle, you can pull up maps