Save System seems annoying and dangerous?

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Why do DEVs like the idea of limiting players in the way they play so much? If they wanted that extra expirience why didnt they just add a "hardcore" mode or something similar?

To me it seems as if its pretty bad gamedesign:
- you have 2 Saves
- the Inn save can be very old depending on how often you visit the inn
- loading the inn save automatically deletes the other save
- if any save file ever gets corrupted or damaged chances are you lose a lot of progress for no reason
- or just imagine once not watching out and loading your inn save deleting hours of progress ...

Whats the point - its just annoying for most ppl to appeal to a few people that enjoy this system that could also be appealed to by simply adding a mode with limited saving.


What makes it even more absurd is that you can actually bypass the system by simply making backups of your saves - but thats just inconvenient and annoying to do. Also having a second person play on the same PC now suddenly also is a problem for no reason.


And in general the save system also makes no sense from the DEV point of view - if you want a single save and choices to matter - why add the inn save feature in the first place. Its just the same as other games with multiple saves - the only real change is that its more inconvenient. And adds more harm in sense of wasting a players time replaying things.

I really hope this is not just to sell saveslots etc. in the future ...


And i also dislike NG+ in modern games - i want all the content when i play the game since i wont play the same content again. And it seems to be the norm since game completion rates suggest that only between 10 and 50% even finish the story of most games once - so chances are most people dont even care about NG+. To me thats also just a mechanic to keep players playing as long as possible and waste their time to have more time selling them additional items etc. in the long run.

[Darkcyric]

Agreed.. Save system is total and utter garbage..

Gotta be either outright laziness, or just sadism, but definitely the worst save system in any game from recent memory.

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Originally posted by Darkcyric:

Agreed.. Save system is total and utter garbage..

Gotta be either outright laziness, or just sadism, but definitely the worst save system in any game from recent memory.

What i also dont get - maybe im missing that.

But why isnt there any Info in regards to the 2 savegmes? For example where is the savepoint - how much time played and when was it made. If you dont play for a longer time its probably hard to even know what you should load ...

[p00se2]

the system is fine

players and people just need to understand it better

[RetiredAF79]

If you’re on PC, the save manager mods rectify the cumbersome save system.

[Ruebeus]

"Gamers": OMG I HAVE TO LIVE WITH MY CHOICES IN AN RPG?! I CAN MAKE MISTAKES?! TRASH SYSTEM!!!

[Skinker]

I've managed to play and enjoy the game without whining about my saves even a single time. It's crazy.

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Originally posted by Akihito Kanbara:

"Gamers": OMG I HAVE TO LIVE WITH MY CHOICES IN AN RPG?! I CAN MAKE MISTAKES?! TRASH SYSTEM!!!

Gaming is a hobby and everyone should be able to play however he wants. Some people enjoy frustration - others dont. Why is it so important to you how others play a SP game?

Also my argument was also about the dangers - loosing progress - and problems - not knowing which save is at what state etc. - but you ignored that because you arent here to actually argue.

[....]

Originally posted by Skinker:

I've managed to play and enjoy the game without whining about my saves even a single time. It's crazy.

15 years of service on steam and you still write like some edgy cringe kid ...


Sometimes i wonder if this is just about diehard casuals that get their self esteem from playing casual SP games that for some reason cant stand it when other people play the game differently.

As it is now the game is just annoying - its neither hardcore (like permadeath), one save with no rollbacks etc. nor completely casual.
It just makes saving your game more annoying and time-consuming while also wasting players time.

If the argument is dealing with consequences - then it doesnt make sense since you can rollback with the inn all the time. If its about one save - the game doesnt have that. If its about hardcore ironman etc. - the game doesnt have that either.

Superficial mechanics that only require more time spent and will make you loose more time arent "difficulty" they are just annoying.


Honestly what does this system add? What does it add only beeing able to create one character? Especially when everything you diehard "elite" players talk about isnt actually in the game since you can roll back with the inn save - its just more annoying ...

[SkidaRu]

Save System seems just fine to me.

[Insanitor]

Originally posted by ....:

Gaming is a hobby and everyone should be able to play however he wants. Some people enjoy frustration - others dont.

By that same Logic. Game design is a Passion and the Developers had a vision for how they wanted their game to be played. They didn't want people to be able to undo their choices at the press of a button, they want you to live with the consequenses of your actions.

If that style of game design doesn't apply to you, that's fine, you'll just have to forego this game.

[Raven]

The autosaves should never overwrite a manual save. Only another manual save should overwrite period. It's a horrible design and everyone poking fun at those saying so need to go to the local bingo hall and try and learn to be pleasant and social.

[Eminem]

Save scum gamers hate this save system for sure!

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Originally posted by Insanitor:

Originally posted by ....:

Gaming is a hobby and everyone should be able to play however he wants. Some people enjoy frustration - others dont.

By that same Logic. Game design is a Passion and the Developers had a vision for how they wanted their game to be played. They didn't want people to be able to undo their choices at the press of a button, they want you to live with the consequenses of your actions.

If that style of game design doesn't apply to you, that's fine, you'll just have to forego this game.

1) not in modern AAA gamiong industry
2) if their vision was choices matters there would only be one save - so as i explained from that point of view it makes no sense (i wouldnt like that either but at least it would be a clear choice) - you can undo without a problem - its just a bit more annoying with inn saves

Its funny how people like you bring up the same awful argument even tough i have already stated why its not the case in th is game.

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Originally posted by Eminem:

Save scum gamers hate this save system for sure!

You can still just do regular inn saves and roll back. You can also just backup your save files if you want to do it outside what the game lets you do.

I never understood the problem with "save scum" anyways - its a choice. If people like to play their SP game - why not? How does it concern you how someone else plays his SP game?

Its like some guy running to a public soccer field screaming at people not playing by official Fifa rules ...

[Hippopothomas]

Originally posted by ....:

Originally posted by Akihito Kanbara:

"Gamers": OMG I HAVE TO LIVE WITH MY CHOICES IN AN RPG?! I CAN MAKE MISTAKES?! TRASH SYSTEM!!!

Gaming is a hobby and everyone should be able to play however he wants. Some people enjoy frustration - others dont. Why is it so important to you how others play a SP game?

Also my argument was also about the dangers - loosing progress - and problems - not knowing which save is at what state etc. - but you ignored that because you arent here to actually argue.

The game simply is not for these people.

It was designed this way on purpose.