Who would win in a fight?

[Magic Spazm]

The Arisen or the Dragonborn?

[UnholyDentist]

Originally posted by KingOfFriedChicken:

Originally posted by UnholyDentist:

It depends on which Dragonborn. Miraak would be an issue. He can summon and use Daedric powers. The Daedric prince also taught him to control dragons by their mind. In theory he could control any dragons, and the Arisen's power is draconic origin no? Sure the Arisen can use just magic or big weapons as anyone else, but what separates him is thanks to the dragon god granting him part of his power. I wonder how Miraak would deal with that, since controlling and nullifying draconic powers or dragons falls into his expertise.

We assume they mean the dragoborn maim character and not some random dragonborn.

But does a dragongod fall under the same control levels as normal dragons? As we see in DD2 that weird dude tries to control the dragon and summons a corrupted smaller one, which the real dragon easily stomps out which suggest he may not be at a level one can control possibly, and the dragon itself in DD can only be killed by Arisen and vice versa, unless an arisen fails to preform their duty and rise to the challenge then it passes on its own and a new cycle starts.

Well that's a good question. Miraak was said to possess such abilities to fight the dragon god Alduin (who is pretty much equivalent to the Dragon god's role in Dragon's Dogma) who by the legend shaped the world. He wasn't doing it alone per se, Nord heroes have helped him. It was only a defeat, not a kill. Alduin is still alive by legend, but the dragon cult is finished, Miraak is also gone. So this is only a theoretical duel. If Mirrak was still alive or returned to the living, then could in theory summon any dragon Including Alduin or Paarthurnax. I doubt he could mind control them though, due to their sheer power. Miraak would have to summon lesser (but still powerful dragons) to his aid to also control their mind. Since he could not control a dragon god's mind directly, then probably he couldn't control other gods either. But if we talk about who would stand best chance in defeating Arisen out of Dragonborn, I would vote for Miraak. I don't think the player's dragonborn could defeat the Arisen alone, because his soul is safe guarded by the dragon god, and as long as the dragon god shares a portion of his power with the Arisen, he won't die and infinite pawns can assist him.

[Magic Spazm]

Dragonborn with the soul of Akatosh, capable of absorbing other souls of Akatosh as well as powers other than that of Akatosh. Is on good terms with every Daedric prince and guild with access to powerful artifacts. Is a powerful werewolf/ vampire. Can smith and enchant better than the Arisen can even dream of. Unseen in stealth, unyielding in defense, offense that can blow anything away in a single strike. Arisen is just a bandit compared to the Dragonborn.

[JefTheReaper]

Dragonborn is stronger as they are not limited by class/vocation, and can just use everything at the same time, at fully power.

However, the Arisen has Wakestones, and could technically have about 99 extra lives in stock.

Though both also have cheap ways to win,
Arisen has more cheese ways to win like Unmaking Arrow and Medusa's head.

So the Arisen has the advantage, despite the Dragonborn having more power.

[Holneer]

Originally posted by JefTheReaper:

Dragonborn is stronger as they are not limited by class/vocation, and can just use everything at the same time, at fully power.

However, the Arisen has Wakestones, and could technically have about 99 extra lives in stock.

Though both also have cheap ways to win,
Arisen has more cheese ways to win like Unmaking Arrow and Medusa's head.

So the Arisen has the advantage, despite the Dragonborn having more power.

Lore wise Wayfarer is Arisen just using everything all at once. It's description is "Jack of all trades, master of... all trades".

[Justinyl]

Arisen will win. Arisen gain stats as he levels up. Dragonborn is hp,mp & stamina.

[Shield]

This is the Goku vs Superman for turbo nerds

[SadPlatty©]

Originally posted by owlBear:

This is the Goku vs Superman for turbo nerds

True - and it can be closed down much easier.

Simply put, if they don't fight in Mundas (Elder Scrolls physical universe), Dragonborn doesn't even have magic they can use lol

[tankanidis]

Originally posted by SadPlatty©:

Originally posted by owlBear:

This is the Goku vs Superman for turbo nerds

True - and it can be closed down much easier.

Simply put, if they don't fight in Mundas (Elder Scrolls physical universe), Dragonborn doesn't even have magic they can use lol

Stan Lee said it best:

"STAN LEE Who Would Win? - Stan's Rants" - MarvelousTV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4_zFYnnn2Y

"The person who'd win in a fight, is the person that the scriptwriter wants to win!"

[Vlady]

Originally posted by Veldaz:

Arisen.

Dragonborn doesn't have wakestones.

Arisen can become a god.

This is so one sided. Once the Arisen reaches god status then it's GG. Before that they'd be more even. I think the Arisen will win though. The Dragon born fights trolls and dragons. Meanwhile the Arisen is doing that right out the front door and facing so much more.

Fun fact, Arisen actually NEVER becomes a God.
DD1 ending spoiler ahead
The Arisen at the end of DD1 simply "takes control" of what is actually a fake world, you can see that all those "people" that live in it actually aren't real; even your "godly powers" actually ain't real since you don't have the power to end the cycle, you just become a bigger pawn of somebody else's game. In the end is like when you dream and suddenly notice its a dream: sure, you become god, but a dream ain't reality, so in the end you get nothing.
Legit imagine dreaming about being a god somewhere, while somebody bashes your skull irl while you sleep, lol
Dunno if the ending is much different in DD2, but DD1's Arisen is just a kinda strong person for the world he is in, but totally no god, immortal or whatever.
So if you consider the Arisen isn't a god, then objectively Dragonborn is stronger (not to mention that he has multiple dealings with Gods and Demigods, which actually can try to make use of the Dragonborn, but can't really force him to do anything (as he's too chad for that, its your own choice wether to follow their bidding or not), all they can really do is influence the people surrounding you, the Arisen on the other hand is just a pawn to some random divinity.
Dragonborn can also use some of the most OP shouts that are digustingly strong.
He can become immune to all kinds of dmg, stun the enemy, poison him and REMOVE HIS DEFENCES (even multiple times in a row, AND IT NEVER ENDS, if you use it on your allies by mistake, even after the DOT is over THE DEFENCE STAYS LOW, bye bye tanks) or even DISARM THE ENEMY (in DDDA you get most of your dmg from your gold rarified weapons, lose a weapon and you lose most of your dmg) which also means that the Arisen can't do ANYTHING for a certain period of time, while the Dragonborn could use magic even without a wand the Arisen can only punch.
When you confront a minmaxing Arisen (always talking about the DDDA Arisen since we don't know anything about DD2's lv 999 Arisen yet), you can destroy the strongest enemy in few seconds spamming less than 10 times a certain move and you easily win...the Dragonborn.....hell no, screw the few seconds, screw the spamming op moves, a lategame Dragonborn can ONESHOT EVERYTHING in less than a second WITH A SINGLE COMMON ARROW, no joke, if you don't know what i'm talking about google "alchemy, forging, enchanting cycle" or something like that, later on it becomes disgustingly OP.
Last bot not least, Dragonborn actually has (almost) UNLIMITED levels, thus endless potential.
Its true that you don't get more dmg (that tbh you don't even need with the aforementioned cycle) but you get infinte health if you pick HP on each lv up (or almost infinte, since max level is 65,535).
So all considered, you get a Super tank, with digustingly OP armor (due to the cycling), extreme amounts of HP, atrocious instakill damage and tons of secondary spells and shouts he can use to destroy you in body and soul, its just an unfair fight imo.

[Vlady]

Originally posted by Vangerdahast:

Originally posted by Magic Spazm:

The Arisen or the Dragonborn?

The Dragonborn would be sent to the orbit with one of Mystic Spearhand skills...

After a long casting I guess?
Got only 3 words for ya.
FUS ROH DAH

[Magic Spazm]

Originally posted by Vlady:

Originally posted by Vangerdahast:

The Dragonborn would be sent to the orbit with one of Mystic Spearhand skills...

After a long casting I guess?
Got only 3 words for ya.
FUS ROH DAH

Casting that gets interrupted at the slightest touch.

[Gunbard]

The Dragonborn

Assuming they are both fully kitted,

The dragon born can shout slow-time, at the very start of fight. the cast for the shout and formless feint are roughly even but the dragon born can and will spam slow time, the arisen will land nothing and will eventually run out of stam. After that fus roh dah for instant ragdoll and follow up with the sword "Windshear" which has 100% stagger chance on hit. Infinite stun lock on arisen. fully kitted arisen can revive 198 times, but that just means it will take 199 hits to a downed arisen for the DB to win.

Arisen are immortal in the sense they wont die of old age, they can however die in battle(its why you use wakestones). Its a small matter of attrition that wouldnt actually take very long.

theres more cheap ♥♥♥♥ the DB can use on Arisen, but that seemed potent enough to stop it right then and there. And if we get into the lore of who should be more potent and not just the mechanics, the aspect of a god vs the god candidate, (neither of which yet achieving apotheosis) the aspect in story is still more powerful.

[Vlady]

Also I'd like to mention that Arisen, is actually a weaker version of the hunter from Bloodborne if you think about it.
Spoilers from DD1 and Bloodborne ahead.
Both start their journey in a strange, magical world where ♥♥♥♥ is messed up, both of them get strong enough to challenge the "God" of the world (which is actually only a guardian) Seneschal for Dragon's Dogma - German for bloodborne, and in both games you can decide to submit and die, or try to take the God's (or to be actually more specific the guardian's) place to govern over the world/dream, BUT in Bloodborne you can screw over German and then even deal with the REAL GOD, DESTROY THE DREAM (which would mean to destroy the cycle in dragon's dogma) and kill the Moon Presence, something that the Arisen doesn't even have the chance to do.

[UnholyDentist]

The problem I see with the Arisen is that he is backed by a god who makes him immortal, gives him power and in theory, he can summon an army of pawns. The Arisen himself is a normal human being, might be talented at fighting in general but that still only makes him a human. I think in order for the Dragonborn to beat the Arisen, he would have to deal with the god that makes the Arisen immortal. Daedric artifacts or spells could come to me mind, but also he could make a deal with a deadric prince to beat the god or at least sever the Arisen's link with that god. In theory as soon as that happen the Arisen becomes a generic human without heart, and dies within seconds. I think that would be the best way.

[Vlady]

Originally posted by UnholyDentist:

The problem I see with the Arisen is that he is backed by a god who makes him immortal, gives him power and in theory, he can summon an army of pawns.

That only in the fake world.