Is this the worst RPG Story in recent memory?

[Mad Max]

Can we have a serious discussion about the story?

What happened?

It felt like it was all leading up to something but then it just ends...

It feels like half the story is missing.

I'm not even complaining about length, as I understand most of the content is in the Side Quests but did the Main Quest have to suffer for that?

They advertised the hell out of the Giant Talos fight and when it showed up, I expected the game to be maybe 60% done...when in reality I was pretty much about to hit the first credits.

The Unmoored World/Post Game was interesting, and I did enjoy the ending and how there was a finality to it... but that doesn't excuse the rest of it.

It's like Itsuno spent most of his time making the world and realized a few months ago he actually had to have some kind of 'Main Quest' for it to be a 'true RPG'.

Honestly, if Itsuno said 'F*** It' and just made this game Fantasy Monster Hunter World and just made it Sandbox with a basic beginning with the Dragon taking your heart and just an overarching goal of 'Get stronger and then go get it back' without all the political crap with the False Arisen and the Queen (Who you never even meet or confront until all the way in the Post Game) it would have been a better experience.

And before you come in here and say: "Don't worry! Capcom will have Paid DLC that will fix it and fill in the holes. Itsuno just needs more time!. WAIT FOR DARKER ARISEN DUDE"

https://youtu.be/hBrqlE25lGs

I'm tired of waiting for 'Itsuno's Vision'.

Get the man some eye surgery and let someone else direct Dogma 3.

[Rookie0879]

Originally posted by Mehermagerk:

Originally posted by Damian Ramirez:

playing dragons dogma for the plot its like watching a porn movie for the plot.

Saying things like that will kill this franchise it's a miracle it even got a sequel and i loved DD1 and i can admit that game had a lot of issues and this game just straight up repeated them and that should not be defended.

The devs made the story worse. In this game, there are zero memorable characters. It retconned the seneschal and the cycle in favor of the pathfinder and the red dragon, who oppose him, but not really. Worse, the pathfinder is a ♥♥♥♥ tier villain. It is as if Ur-Dragon would show up, announce he wants to stop us, and then guide us exactly to the places we need to go to get the artifact capable of killing him for good. This is the level of logic that the Pathfinder uses.

The Red Dragon no longer pushes the player to be better and no longer has pride in his calling. He now whines and wants to die. Way to ruin their iconic character. And for what?

Honestly, I probably won't be buying DD3 or any DLC for Part 2. I enjoy none of the characters or the story in this game.

[Mehermagerk]

Originally posted by Rookie0879:

Originally posted by Mehermagerk:

Saying things like that will kill this franchise it's a miracle it even got a sequel and i loved DD1 and i can admit that game had a lot of issues and this game just straight up repeated them and that should not be defended.

The devs made the story worse. In this game, there are zero memorable characters. It retconned the seneschal and the cycle in favor of the pathfinder and the red dragon, who oppose him, but not really. Worse, the pathfinder is a ♥♥♥♥ tier villain. It is as if Ur-Dragon would show up, announce he wants to stop us, and then guide us exactly to the places we need to go to get the artifact capable of killing him for good. This is the level of logic that the Pathfinder uses.

The Red Dragon no longer pushes the player to be better and no longer has pride in his calling. He now whines and wants to die. Way to ruin their iconic character. And for what?

Honestly, I probably won't be buying DD3 or any DLC for Part 2. I enjoy none of the characters or the story in this game.

Ya i completely agree but i will at least look into the DLC for DD2 if its announced if they can somehow salvage what is here but ya this game is just such a let down.

[Damian Ramirez]

Originally posted by Rookie0879:

Originally posted by Mehermagerk:

Saying things like that will kill this franchise it's a miracle it even got a sequel and i loved DD1 and i can admit that game had a lot of issues and this game just straight up repeated them and that should not be defended.

The devs made the story worse. In this game, there are zero memorable characters. It retconned the seneschal and the cycle in favor of the pathfinder and the red dragon, who oppose him, but not really. Worse, the pathfinder is a ♥♥♥♥ tier villain. It is as if Ur-Dragon would show up, announce he wants to stop us, and then guide us exactly to the places we need to go to get the artifact capable of killing him for good. This is the level of logic that the Pathfinder uses.

The Red Dragon no longer pushes the player to be better and no longer has pride in his calling. He now whines and wants to die. Way to ruin their iconic character. And for what?

Honestly, I probably won't be buying DD3 or any DLC for Part 2. I enjoy none of the characters or the story in this game.

the devs didnt made it worse , you just think that. Maybe stop taking your subjective point of view as objective.
For me it made 0 sense that the arisen was instantly transformed on a monster slayer when minute before getting attacked was a peasant.

[Rookie0879]

Originally posted by Mehermagerk:

Originally posted by Rookie0879:

The devs made the story worse. In this game, there are zero memorable characters. It retconned the seneschal and the cycle in favor of the pathfinder and the red dragon, who oppose him, but not really. Worse, the pathfinder is a ♥♥♥♥ tier villain. It is as if Ur-Dragon would show up, announce he wants to stop us, and then guide us exactly to the places we need to go to get the artifact capable of killing him for good. This is the level of logic that the Pathfinder uses.

The Red Dragon no longer pushes the player to be better and no longer has pride in his calling. He now whines and wants to die. Way to ruin their iconic character. And for what?

Honestly, I probably won't be buying DD3 or any DLC for Part 2. I enjoy none of the characters or the story in this game.

Ya i completely agree but i will at least look into the DLC for DD2 if its announced if they can somehow salvage what is here but ya this game is just such a let down.

DD1 had such a cool concept. What if a god tires of their job? It was a great idea, and the game built up on this, showing that the cycle is harsh but a noble thing, for a bad Arisen could wipe the entire creation...

And DD2 is "God is evil; let's kill God and break the cycle!". Okay, but why? The Unmoored world stinks; tons of people have died. What have we achieved? Why is it good to break the cycle? What does it give?

Why retcon how the universe works?

[Mehermagerk]

Originally posted by Damian Ramirez:

Originally posted by Rookie0879:

The devs made the story worse. In this game, there are zero memorable characters. It retconned the seneschal and the cycle in favor of the pathfinder and the red dragon, who oppose him, but not really. Worse, the pathfinder is a ♥♥♥♥ tier villain. It is as if Ur-Dragon would show up, announce he wants to stop us, and then guide us exactly to the places we need to go to get the artifact capable of killing him for good. This is the level of logic that the Pathfinder uses.

The Red Dragon no longer pushes the player to be better and no longer has pride in his calling. He now whines and wants to die. Way to ruin their iconic character. And for what?

Honestly, I probably won't be buying DD3 or any DLC for Part 2. I enjoy none of the characters or the story in this game.

the devs didnt made it worse , you just think that. Maybe stop taking your subjective point of view as objective.
For me it made 0 sense that the arisen was instantly transformed on a monster slayer when minute before getting attacked was a peasant.

You missed the point you are a peasant at the start of DD1 you will die to most enemies you become the Arisen who is strong enough to face the dragon by the end the dragon is a test to prove yourself worthy of defeating him he legit says that when you fight him many Arisen fail to step up to the challenge.

[Damian Ramirez]

Originally posted by Mehermagerk:

Originally posted by Damian Ramirez:

the devs didnt made it worse , you just think that. Maybe stop taking your subjective point of view as objective.
For me it made 0 sense that the arisen was instantly transformed on a monster slayer when minute before getting attacked was a peasant.

You missed the point you are a peasant at the start of DD1 you will die to most enemies you become the Arisen who is strong enough to face the dragon by the end the dragon is a test to prove yourself.

actually , the game is easy all the way trough. This is not gothic or elden ring.

[Outlaw Mugen]

"It felt like it was all leading up to something but then it just ends..."

Yo those are my exact thoughts! The first DD had better build up, multistage battles and actual difficulty. In DD2 I literally destroyed the last boss by spamming two skills with a Thief vocation... so anticlimactic!

The worst part is I had no idea that I have triggered the last section of the game that cut me off from completing previous quests. At least the first game gave me a warning : Are you sure you want to proceed ( some quest might become unavailable after this point etc. )

Subsequent playthrourghs are just a speedrun to the things I missed.

Completely disappointed with the game and the story.

[tankanidis]

Originally posted by 𝐂𝐚𝐝𝐚𝐯𝐞𝐑:

Originally posted by tankanidis:

yes yes, have everyone hate the game and wonder why no DD3 comes out because it's not financially sound for Capcom to do so

I don't understand white knight fans who delude themselves to think if they win every 'argument' by driving others away for wanting the game to be improved, that somehow they are 'protecting' the game

You aren't

You need the sales money from others and the positive reviews to get more of the game series you supposedly love more than anyone else

I like DD2 has i liked DDDA, people like you are never satisfied, you're just spoiled and annoyed.

spoilt?

Wanting something to progress in 12 years is spoilt?

Paying $70 dollars (when the first can be bought for $5 and is basically 90% similar) for a broken, buggy, un-optimised, Denuvo infested game that didn't even come with a new game option on release (that the 1st game you claim to love had btw, 12 years ago.) is spoilt?

If your expectations are met with this game's release, congratulations, Ubisoft's Director loves consumers like you, the video game industry will take good care of you in 2024

[KingOfFriedChicken]

Originally posted by Damian Ramirez:

Originally posted by Mehermagerk:

You missed the point you are a peasant at the start of DD1 you will die to most enemies you become the Arisen who is strong enough to face the dragon by the end the dragon is a test to prove yourself.

actually , the game is easy all the way trough. This is not gothic or elden ring.

Not to step on eldin ring or souls games but they are not all that difficult either, they have their moments. I do think they are harder then dragons dogma but I don't think dragons dogma ever said it was a majorly difficult game, it's largely a game where you work to find weaknesses and exploit them, once you know them or if you played dd1 and knew them, you weren't gonna have a challenge.

The hardest part is how ruthless mobs of enemies are with stunlocks on your lol

[Damian Ramirez]

Originally posted by KingOfFriedChicken:

Originally posted by Damian Ramirez:

actually , the game is easy all the way trough. This is not gothic or elden ring.

Not to step on eldin ring or souls games but they are not all that difficult either, they have their moments. I do think they are harder then dragons dogma but I don't think dragons dogma ever said it was a majorly difficult game, it's largely a game where you work to find weaknesses and exploit them, once you know them or if you played dd1 and knew them, you weren't gonna have a challenge.

The hardest part is how ruthless mobs of enemies are with stunlocks on your lol

you didnt get the point at all.Im not talking about difficulty , but the representation of it.
Dragons dogma 1 never want you to feel like a peasant. its not like gothic that you can get killed by a simple wolf at start of the game.

[Termix]

Originally posted by Mad Max:

It felt like it was all leading up to something but then it just ends...

It feels like half the story is missing.

They advertised the hell out of the Giant Talos fight and when it showed up, I expected the game to be maybe 60% done...when in reality I was pretty much about to hit the first credits.

Yep, I felt the same way, I really thought after Talos there would be some awesome boss fights... you know stuff you expect in a game like this...

Oh and if you didn't know, you don't have to fight Talos, if you just leave he will just die automatically, so out of the measly 4 boss fights this game has, you can miss 3 and still finish.

Imagine if you just fought the same 10 enemies in Monster Hunter over and over again with a faster combat system, because that's what this game is.

But back to the story, the whole Vernworth portion of this game, with so many quests that even forced gameplay mechanics they didn't implement (stealth), just felt so pointless after it all ended suddenly.

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Really funny how in every thread discussing how this game may not be that good, there are always a bunch of people who claim to be DD:DA "fans" who try to pain the first game as actually being ♥♥♥♥ as a cope for why it's ok for the sequel to be far worse.

No, Dragon's Dogma was not "made good" by Dark Arisen.
The base content in the game, while rough and not terribly long, was still very fun and the story was actually interesting.
Dark Arisen took a solid foundation and added some extra content to it.
DD2 would need to be radically changed in many ways to even approach the level of the first game.

[El Macho]

There's a story here?

Actually, scratch that.. you guys playing Dragon's Dogma for Story?

[Praesi]

I think its almost impossible to come up with a more boring story.
Mass Effect 1...that was a Story..damn that Game gave me goosebumps.
Here...nothing, nothing at all.

[KingOfFriedChicken]

Originally posted by Beef:

Really funny how in every thread discussing how this game may not be that good, there are always a bunch of people who claim to be DD:DA "fans" who try to pain the first game as actually being ♥♥♥♥ as a cope for why it's ok for the sequel to be far worse.

No, Dragon's Dogma was not "made good" by Dark Arisen.
The base content in the game, while rough and not terribly long, was still very fun and the story was actually interesting.
Dark Arisen took a solid foundation and added some extra content to it.
DD2 would need to be radically changed in many ways to even approach the level of the first game.

I mean it's a subjective topic, the only thing I like more in 1 was 8 skills of my choosing, but I don't hate 2 with its 4 I just prefer the 8 lol

Past that to me I find dd2 a step up in most ways, I wish they utilized what made 1 special like height and weight being a major factor in strategy, now anyone can ride harpies not just small folk for example. But I understand why, so people could use them to explore.

Dd1 wasn't some mind blowing stellar game, it was a fun game though. Dd2 is very similar it's not gonna blow anyone's socks off but it's fun, and I don't mind the story Direction either.