Is this the worst RPG Story in recent memory?

[Mad Max]

Can we have a serious discussion about the story?

What happened?

It felt like it was all leading up to something but then it just ends...

It feels like half the story is missing.

I'm not even complaining about length, as I understand most of the content is in the Side Quests but did the Main Quest have to suffer for that?

They advertised the hell out of the Giant Talos fight and when it showed up, I expected the game to be maybe 60% done...when in reality I was pretty much about to hit the first credits.

The Unmoored World/Post Game was interesting, and I did enjoy the ending and how there was a finality to it... but that doesn't excuse the rest of it.

It's like Itsuno spent most of his time making the world and realized a few months ago he actually had to have some kind of 'Main Quest' for it to be a 'true RPG'.

Honestly, if Itsuno said 'F*** It' and just made this game Fantasy Monster Hunter World and just made it Sandbox with a basic beginning with the Dragon taking your heart and just an overarching goal of 'Get stronger and then go get it back' without all the political crap with the False Arisen and the Queen (Who you never even meet or confront until all the way in the Post Game) it would have been a better experience.

And before you come in here and say: "Don't worry! Capcom will have Paid DLC that will fix it and fill in the holes. Itsuno just needs more time!. WAIT FOR DARKER ARISEN DUDE"

https://youtu.be/hBrqlE25lGs

I'm tired of waiting for 'Itsuno's Vision'.

Get the man some eye surgery and let someone else direct Dogma 3.

[Mehermagerk]

Originally posted by D. Flame:

Originally posted by Mehermagerk:

The story was alright until i found myself at the end suddenly with plots going nowhere and the ones that do seem to just finish off screen and my god the post game is trash it's so much worse than DDA actively rushing you not to explore and enjoy what little there even is so terrible.

This bothered me the entire game. Pawns constantly telling you where everything is, and rushing you to the objective when they aren't. The level of hand holding is unreal.

Invite only pawns that have no quest knowledge and Aphonite specialization trust me the silence is bliss.

[Rookie0879]

The game is a disaster, and I finished it. There is no point in killing monsters, aside from the material. All the cool stuff is sold in the shops. I remember killing drakes in DD1. It was an adventure, and I often ended up being rewarded. Here? I kill a drake and get tons of crystals. Which I can't spend unless I have them in my inventory!

The story makes no sense. Ok, the queen wants to have her son rule the kingdom. So to do so, she intentionally runs the kingdom into the ground to the point where monsters can invade the capital... Wait, what? What sort of motivation is this?

Then she needs a village where Ulrica lives. Why? No idea, never explained. I thought Phaseus sent the zombie dragon there, but apparently he does not control them. It was all Brine. So wait... Brine, who wants to stop Phaseus, helps Phaseus... Why?

The Pathfinder wants us to play our role. To do so, he guides us on purpose to the sword that can specifically break the cycle that he wants to uphold! Then, if we choose to complete the cycle, he offers us a free ride in terms of time travel, so we could break the cycle.

Phasesus saw Grigori and thought that his way smaller dragon could stop it?

False Sovran is a drunken dude who washed from the thieves guild for being an embarrassment.

The Red Dragon no longer wants to uphold the cycle and wants to die.

What happened? Where have all the good villains gone? The lich guy from the first game, the cult leader, and Grigori were all cool! Dark Arisen expanded on it, with the Ur-Dragon possessing Daimon, hinting at greater play. All these bad guys were cool, and their plans made sense.

Can any bad guy in the second game made a lick of sense! DD2, the only game where the main character is not needed because the bad guys are so dumb that they would've fallen on their own blades and died eventually.

Name me one bad guy of DD2 whose plan makes sense both in-universe and in-general. I don't think it is possible.

[Witski]

Originally posted by Rookie0879:

The game is a disaster, and I finished it. There is no point in killing monsters, aside from the material. All the cool stuff is sold in the shops. I remember killing drakes in DD1. It was an adventure, and I often ended up being rewarded. Here? I kill a drake and get tons of crystals. Which I can't spend unless I have them in my inventory!

The story makes no sense. Ok, the queen wants to have her son rule the kingdom. So to do so, she intentionally runs the kingdom into the ground to the point where monsters can invade the capital... Wait, what? What sort of motivation is this?

Then she needs a village where Ulrica lives. Why? No idea, never explained. I thought Phaseus sent the zombie dragon there, but apparently he does not control them. It was all Brine. So wait... Brine, who wants to stop Phaseus, helps Phaseus... Why?

The Pathfinder wants us to play our role. To do so, he guides us on purpose to the sword that can specifically break the cycle that he wants to uphold! Then, if we choose to complete the cycle, he offers us a free ride in terms of time travel, so we could break the cycle.

Phasesus saw Grigori and thought that his way smaller dragon could stop it?

False Sovran is a drunken dude who washed from the thieves guild for being an embarrassment.

The Red Dragon no longer wants to uphold the cycle and wants to die.

What happened? Where have all the good villains gone? The lich guy from the first game, the cult leader, and Grigori were all cool! Dark Arisen expanded on it, with the Ur-Dragon possessing Daimon, hinting at greater play. All these bad guys were cool, and their plans made sense.

Can any bad guy in the second game made a lick of sense! DD2, the only game where the main character is not needed because the bad guys are so dumb that they would've fallen on their own blades and died eventually.

Name me one bad guy of DD2 whose plan makes sense both in-universe and in-general. I don't think it is possible.

The best stuff drops from something... the BEST stuff, the shop stuff are entry level stuff in comparison.

[Mehermagerk]

Originally posted by Rookie0879:

The game is a disaster, and I finished it. There is no point in killing monsters, aside from the material. All the cool stuff is sold in the shops. I remember killing drakes in DD1. It was an adventure, and I often ended up being rewarded. Here? I kill a drake and get tons of crystals. Which I can't spend unless I have them in my inventory!

The story makes no sense. Ok, the queen wants to have her son rule the kingdom. So to do so, she intentionally runs the kingdom into the ground to the point where monsters can invade the capital... Wait, what? What sort of motivation is this?

Then she needs a village where Ulrica lives. Why? No idea, never explained. I thought Phaseus sent the zombie dragon there, but apparently he does not control them. It was all Brine. So wait... Brine, who wants to stop Phaseus, helps Phaseus... Why?

The Pathfinder wants us to play our role. To do so, he guides us on purpose to the sword that can specifically break the cycle that he wants to uphold! Then, if we choose to complete the cycle, he offers us a free ride in terms of time travel, so we could break the cycle.

Phasesus saw Grigori and thought that his way smaller dragon could stop it?

False Sovran is a drunken dude who washed from the thieves guild for being an embarrassment.

The Red Dragon no longer wants to uphold the cycle and wants to die.

What happened? Where have all the good villains gone? The lich guy from the first game, the cult leader, and Grigori were all cool! Dark Arisen expanded on it, with the Ur-Dragon possessing Daimon, hinting at greater play. All these bad guys were cool, and their plans made sense.

Can any bad guy in the second game made a lick of sense! DD2, the only game where the main character is not needed because the bad guys are so dumb that they would've fallen on their own blades and died eventually.

Name me one bad guy of DD2 whose plan makes sense both in-universe and in-general. I don't think it is possible.

This is my main issue with the game i enjoyed to story for what it was in DD1 in DD2 nothing makes sense it's like ChatGPT wrote the plot entire plot lines have no resolution and even fewer make sense at all to begin with.

[KingOfFriedChicken]

Idk I liked it, wasn't the best thing story wise but it's as good as I expected, and it had a difference to dd1 which is fun.

[CadaveR]

Originally posted by Rookie0879:

The game is a disaster, and I finished it. There is no point in killing monsters, aside from the material. All the cool stuff is sold in the shops. I remember killing drakes in DD1. It was an adventure, and I often ended up being rewarded. Here? I kill a drake and get tons of crystals. Which I can't spend unless I have them in my inventory!

The story makes no sense. Ok, the queen wants to have her son rule the kingdom. So to do so, she intentionally runs the kingdom into the ground to the point where monsters can invade the capital... Wait, what? What sort of motivation is this?

Then she needs a village where Ulrica lives. Why? No idea, never explained. I thought Phaseus sent the zombie dragon there, but apparently he does not control them. It was all Brine. So wait... Brine, who wants to stop Phaseus, helps Phaseus... Why?

The Pathfinder wants us to play our role. To do so, he guides us on purpose to the sword that can specifically break the cycle that he wants to uphold! Then, if we choose to complete the cycle, he offers us a free ride in terms of time travel, so we could break the cycle.

Phasesus saw Grigori and thought that his way smaller dragon could stop it?

False Sovran is a drunken dude who washed from the thieves guild for being an embarrassment.

The Red Dragon no longer wants to uphold the cycle and wants to die.

What happened? Where have all the good villains gone? The lich guy from the first game, the cult leader, and Grigori were all cool! Dark Arisen expanded on it, with the Ur-Dragon possessing Daimon, hinting at greater play. All these bad guys were cool, and their plans made sense.

Can any bad guy in the second game made a lick of sense! DD2, the only game where the main character is not needed because the bad guys are so dumb that they would've fallen on their own blades and died eventually.

Name me one bad guy of DD2 whose plan makes sense both in-universe and in-general. I don't think it is possible.

First game had a terrible narrative too, most of the thing you named goes nowhere in the story. Let's stop pretend it has a good writing.

[Kleerex]

Originally posted by Catsim:

I mean, Starfield exists, so no.

There's also this one game where your character contracts neurosyphilis and likes it so much that she embarks on a journey to get even more of it! Oh, and it has bestiality too.

[Chaos]

Originally posted by Damian Ramirez:

what the main point? not having a new game+? you're asking for that to a dev that didnt even thought to put a new game option on the menu.
Even coming from normal developers , a new game+ its something that most of the time is released after a couple of months.
So i dont get the point of crying so hard for it , maybe stop playing 12 hours per day so you won't ask for such a feature 2 weeks after a release.

Did you really miss it or just trying to be obtuse?

The main complains for most was the lack of enemy variety (Tired of goblins and cyclops yet?), lack of endgame contents to use your endgame gears on like BBI and Ur dragon (We have it before and people liked it, so where the hell is it?), the game overall still being ♥♥♥♥ easy (Instead of making it hard like monhun) and a far worst story than the 1 first game (which is a pretty low bar).

Beside, we already have NG+ so that not the issue here (tho harder mode NG+ would be nice).

Overall people are just pissed that after all the data and experience from making DDDA.
They somehow manage to make a side grade instead of an upgrade of a 7 years old game.

7 YEARS and this is all we get.

[CadaveR]

Originally posted by tankanidis:

Originally posted by 𝐂𝐚𝐝𝐚𝐯𝐞𝐑:

yes yes, have everyone hate the game and wonder why no DD3 comes out because it's not financially sound for Capcom to do so

I don't understand white knight fans who delude themselves to think if they win every 'argument' by driving others away for wanting the game to be improved, that somehow they are 'protecting' the game

You aren't

You need the sales money from others and the positive reviews to get more of the game series you supposedly love more than anyone else

I like DD2 has i liked DDDA, people like you are never satisfied, you're just spoiled and annoyed.

[Damian Ramirez]

Originally posted by 𝐂𝐚𝐝𝐚𝐯𝐞𝐑:

Originally posted by Rookie0879:

The game is a disaster, and I finished it. There is no point in killing monsters, aside from the material. All the cool stuff is sold in the shops. I remember killing drakes in DD1. It was an adventure, and I often ended up being rewarded. Here? I kill a drake and get tons of crystals. Which I can't spend unless I have them in my inventory!

The story makes no sense. Ok, the queen wants to have her son rule the kingdom. So to do so, she intentionally runs the kingdom into the ground to the point where monsters can invade the capital... Wait, what? What sort of motivation is this?

Then she needs a village where Ulrica lives. Why? No idea, never explained. I thought Phaseus sent the zombie dragon there, but apparently he does not control them. It was all Brine. So wait... Brine, who wants to stop Phaseus, helps Phaseus... Why?

The Pathfinder wants us to play our role. To do so, he guides us on purpose to the sword that can specifically break the cycle that he wants to uphold! Then, if we choose to complete the cycle, he offers us a free ride in terms of time travel, so we could break the cycle.

Phasesus saw Grigori and thought that his way smaller dragon could stop it?

False Sovran is a drunken dude who washed from the thieves guild for being an embarrassment.

The Red Dragon no longer wants to uphold the cycle and wants to die.

What happened? Where have all the good villains gone? The lich guy from the first game, the cult leader, and Grigori were all cool! Dark Arisen expanded on it, with the Ur-Dragon possessing Daimon, hinting at greater play. All these bad guys were cool, and their plans made sense.

Can any bad guy in the second game made a lick of sense! DD2, the only game where the main character is not needed because the bad guys are so dumb that they would've fallen on their own blades and died eventually.

Name me one bad guy of DD2 whose plan makes sense both in-universe and in-general. I don't think it is possible.

First game had a terrible narrative too, most of the thing you named goes nowhere in the story. Let's stop pretend it has a good writing.

playing dragons dogma for the plot its like watching a porn movie for the plot.

[Rookie0879]

Originally posted by 𝐂𝐚𝐝𝐚𝐯𝐞𝐑:

Originally posted by Rookie0879:

The game is a disaster, and I finished it. There is no point in killing monsters, aside from the material. All the cool stuff is sold in the shops. I remember killing drakes in DD1. It was an adventure, and I often ended up being rewarded. Here? I kill a drake and get tons of crystals. Which I can't spend unless I have them in my inventory!

The story makes no sense. Ok, the queen wants to have her son rule the kingdom. So to do so, she intentionally runs the kingdom into the ground to the point where monsters can invade the capital... Wait, what? What sort of motivation is this?

Then she needs a village where Ulrica lives. Why? No idea, never explained. I thought Phaseus sent the zombie dragon there, but apparently he does not control them. It was all Brine. So wait... Brine, who wants to stop Phaseus, helps Phaseus... Why?

The Pathfinder wants us to play our role. To do so, he guides us on purpose to the sword that can specifically break the cycle that he wants to uphold! Then, if we choose to complete the cycle, he offers us a free ride in terms of time travel, so we could break the cycle.

Phasesus saw Grigori and thought that his way smaller dragon could stop it?

False Sovran is a drunken dude who washed from the thieves guild for being an embarrassment.

The Red Dragon no longer wants to uphold the cycle and wants to die.

What happened? Where have all the good villains gone? The lich guy from the first game, the cult leader, and Grigori were all cool! Dark Arisen expanded on it, with the Ur-Dragon possessing Daimon, hinting at greater play. All these bad guys were cool, and their plans made sense.

Can any bad guy in the second game made a lick of sense! DD2, the only game where the main character is not needed because the bad guys are so dumb that they would've fallen on their own blades and died eventually.

Name me one bad guy of DD2 whose plan makes sense both in-universe and in-general. I don't think it is possible.

First game had a terrible narrative too, most of the thing you named goes nowhere in the story. Let's stop pretend it has a good writing.

I disagree. Grigori and the seneschal in the first game want, specifically, a certain type of Arisen to replace the seneschal. So they create trials and tribulations to steel us, and Grigori is proud of his role. 

Elysion foolishly thought that Grigori wanted to destroy the world and worked toward this goal. As it was making the Arisen stronger, Grigori allowed it.

The Duke wanted to rule forever to justify the sacrifice he had made. So he tries to kill the Arisen to preserve his immortality, as no Arisen, no dragon. Reasonable.

The neromancer dude hunted after the special ring to make himself immortal. Reasonable.

Ur-Dragon is in opposition to the seneschal. So he works to stall us. His goals are unclear in the first game, but his methods are reasonable.

The game was logical and made sense. How does the plot of the second game make sense? They even ruined the red dragon by turning him from a proud servant of a necessary goal into a whiny old man.

The plot of the first game was at least coherent. You could see why the characters make the choices they do.

[CadaveR]

Originally posted by Damian Ramirez:

Originally posted by 𝐂𝐚𝐝𝐚𝐯𝐞𝐑:

First game had a terrible narrative too, most of the thing you named goes nowhere in the story. Let's stop pretend it has a good writing.

playing dragons dogma for the plot its like watching a porn movie for the plot.

So much this.

[Mehermagerk]

Originally posted by Damian Ramirez:

Originally posted by 𝐂𝐚𝐝𝐚𝐯𝐞𝐑:

First game had a terrible narrative too, most of the thing you named goes nowhere in the story. Let's stop pretend it has a good writing.

playing dragons dogma for the plot its like watching a porn movie for the plot.

Saying things like that will kill this franchise it's a miracle it even got a sequel and i loved DD1 and i can admit that game had a lot of issues and this game just straight up repeated them and that should not be defended.

[CadaveR]

Originally posted by Mehermagerk:

Originally posted by Damian Ramirez:

playing dragons dogma for the plot its like watching a porn movie for the plot.

Saying things like that will kill this franchise it's a miracle it even got a sequel and i loved DD1 and i can admit that game had some a lot of issues and this game just straight up repeated them and that should not be defended.

spoiler: nobody play this game for the narrative, if tou want a good story driven arpg there are better games out there. So it will not kill any franchise, fear not.

[Nepnep]

Can't say I feel disappointed. Plot isn't great, but the plot of the 1st one wasn't great either. You can't be disappointed in something you had no expectations in.