sold all the noble attire now i need to farm 300k

[PIG]

i did not know i needed these cloths, i was just exploring the world and selling random cloths that i dont need and now im at multiple quests that needs to to have the noble set and the only way to get it is to farm 300k, is this for real? i emptied the entire castle and got the reward from sven, CAPCOM? 300K FOR NOBLE ATTIRE? 600K NEAR BATTHAL GATE? FOR REAL?

[AvG]

Although i didn't discover how to sneak into the party room area yet, I think it is possible, for there is one final set of courtly clothing there. So if discovered how to sneak in there is one final set available without buying. It may have to do with reverse exploring from another place, but you would need the card from a certain gal.

[OldWhovian]

Originally posted by Mecha Musume:

Originally posted by OldWhovian:

Ah, maybe a misunderstanding is at the core of this. I'll re-iterate my point:
Not having a necessary quest item readily available from an NPC that logically has access to them is bad quest design.

I'm NOT saying that using appropriate clothing for an infiltration is bad quest design.

Maybe they put half a dozen sets of the clothes all over the city for a reason beyond selling them for a pittance compared to their buying price

You positied the following which has been previously responded to:
> It's not meta gaming to keep expensive clothing, the price should convey their quest importance.

Prior response reposted for your convenience: This is a poor metric for determining quest relevance. Money is important for gear progression in DD2 and noble's clothing, without quest context, only give value as something to be sold. Given how readily available they are it actually tracks that many players could think them made purely for selling as a leg-up on gear if they've not yet progressed sufficiently for the game to explicitly explain otherwise.

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[Mecha Musume]

Originally posted by OldWhovian:

Originally posted by Mecha Musume:

Maybe they put half a dozen sets of the clothes all over the city for a reason beyond selling them for a pittance compared to their buying price

You positied the following which has been previously responded to:
> It's not meta gaming to keep expensive clothing, the price should convey their quest importance.

Prior response reposted for your convenience: This is a poor metric for determining quest relevance. Money is important for gear progression in DD2 and noble's clothing, without quest context, only give value as something to be sold. Given how readily available they are it actually tracks that many players could think them made purely for selling as a leg-up on gear if they've not yet progresses sufficiently for the game to explicitly explain otherwise.

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You've just been throwing a tantrum and crying "metagaming" at the idea of keeping clothes in an RPG

[GetUrAssToMars]

Thief shadow cloak got me into the masquerade hall just fine. Same with the bordello.

Oh look another tool at the players disposal. Maybe Itsuno should put in big tooltips made for 720p console UI to inform the good player how to wipe ones fanny.

[OldWhovian]

Originally posted by Mecha Musume:

Originally posted by OldWhovian:

You positied the following which has been previously responded to:
> It's not meta gaming to keep expensive clothing, the price should convey their quest importance.

Prior response reposted for your convenience: This is a poor metric for determining quest relevance. Money is important for gear progression in DD2 and noble's clothing, without quest context, only give value as something to be sold. Given how readily available they are it actually tracks that many players could think them made purely for selling as a leg-up on gear if they've not yet progresses sufficiently for the game to explicitly explain otherwise.

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You've just been throwing a tantrum and crying "metagaming" at the idea of keeping clothes in an RPG

I enjoy arguing with people, but project a tantrum on me if you want; says more about you and how you feel about this conversation.

It is metagaming. You didn't do it because your character would, you did it because you were painfully aware it's a video game. That's, by wrote definition, meta-gaming.

[Mecha Musume]

Originally posted by OldWhovian:

Originally posted by Mecha Musume:

You've just been throwing a tantrum and crying "metagaming" at the idea of keeping clothes in an RPG

I enjoy arguing with people, but project a tantrum on me if you want; says more about you and how you feel about this conversation.

It is metagaming. You didn't do it because your character would, you did it because you were painfully aware it's a video game. That's, by wrote definition, meta-gaming.

Its not, but keep crying

[Criza]

the pfp and name suits you

[OldWhovian]

Originally posted by Mecha Musume:

Originally posted by OldWhovian:

I enjoy arguing with people, but project a tantrum on me if you want; says more about you and how you feel about this conversation.

It is metagaming. You didn't do it because your character would, you did it because you were painfully aware it's a video game. That's, by wrote definition, meta-gaming.

Its not, but keep crying

I mean, you're just admitting you don't know what metagaming is. Weird flex. Keep outing yourself as ignorant I guess?

[Mecha Musume]

Originally posted by OldWhovian:

Originally posted by Mecha Musume:

Its not, but keep crying

I mean, you're just admitting you don't know what metagaming is. Weird flex. Keep outing yourself as ignorant I guess?

You think keeping anything that isn't the current best gear purely by its mechanical number is "metagaming". Just hold the L

[OldWhovian]

Originally posted by Criza:

the pfp and name suits you

K thx.

[OldWhovian]

Originally posted by Pitty Sensual:

Originally posted by OldWhovian:

You honestly want me to believe you memorized the first location you picked up a random token, one of 220 when the game placed no importance or note on the occasion? Congrats on lying or looking up the future quests in advance. Whichever it may be.

yea, isnt like the start of the game is in a straight line... and the item in question has a unique pattern and unique smoke lol just say you have memory problems

I don't have a perfect memory, no, but again, nice lying about how you remembered your very first token so perfectly it had coordinates. Obviously I'm the only one with this issue, there weren't dozens of posts and complaints and warnings from people on day 2 that found out about this trapped quest. You can just admit you read those before you started playing, it's cool.

It's basically Occam's Razor here: Which is more likely, you randomly recorded the exact coordinates of a disk that had no reason to be important when you picked it up OR you knew about it in advance. The later is so much more likely that'd I'd win the lottery before the former was true.

[Wingnut Mcmoomoo]

Originally posted by PIG:

Originally posted by FreeGen:

use your brain or next 50 hours will be extremely hard for you

by use my brain you mean hoard every item?

in dragons dogma you should keep 1 of every equipment at least and a stack of every consumable because quests often ask for weird things. So yeah use your brain and don't sell everything, money comes crazy fast from just picking it up and quest rewards you never should have a need to sell anything.

[Pitty Sensual]

Originally posted by OldWhovian:

Originally posted by Bumblebro:

My first one was at the gathering of beasts. I can still remember how bad i was at climbing the ruins lol. I did read about the token thing but waaaaay after i collected that one.

All i did was take a look at the map, backtrack the unveiled areas and i found my spot. Its not that difficult. I knew i picked mine up way in the beginning.

I found mine 4 hours into the game on a random rock in the wilderness. No events surrounded it, I just climbed the rock and saw a disk. It wasn't near any towns nor on a path from a town.

Defend why the design of the quest is reasonable.

well, so your special condition ♥♥♥♥♥♥ u up. Mine was in the first 15min of the game, up in a tent in the first settlement

[OldWhovian]

Originally posted by Wingnut Mcmoomoo:

Originally posted by PIG:

by use my brain you mean hoard every item?

in dragons dogma you should keep 1 of every equipment at least and a stack of every consumable because quests often ask for weird things. So yeah use your brain and don't sell everything, money comes crazy fast from just picking it up and quest rewards you never should have a need to sell anything.

You posited the following which has been previously responded to:
> Anyone that sold the noble clothing is [insert insult]

Prior response reposted for your convenience: While I did not personally sell them; having the player be required to meta-game if they acquired the garb before they were mentioned upon picking up the given quest by saving them is not good quest design. Story/Progression dependent items should be readily available when needed rather than prior. Secondly, a mistake should completely stymie progressing the game's main story - requiring extended grinding in response. This is especially the case in this instance given the quest giver is a member of the High Society of the game and thus would have readily available access to said garb.

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[OldWhovian]

Originally posted by Pitty Sensual:

Originally posted by OldWhovian:

I found mine 4 hours into the game on a random rock in the wilderness. No events surrounded it, I just climbed the rock and saw a disk. It wasn't near any towns nor on a path from a town.

Defend why the design of the quest is reasonable.

well, so your special condition ♥♥♥♥♥♥ u up. Mine was in the first 15min of the game, up in a tent in the first settlement

You posited the following which has been previously responded to:
> The Seeker's Token quest is a good design and remembering the first of 220 disks is a reasonable thing and only people with a serious memory loss disorder could possibly fail to remember where their first token was

I don't have a perfect memory, no, but again, nice lying about how you remembered your very first token so perfectly your brain stored its coordinates. Obviously I'm the only one with this issue, there weren't dozens of posts and complaints and warnings from people on day 2 that found out about this trapped quest. You can just admit you read those before you started playing, it's cool.

It's basically Occam's Razor here: Which is more likely, you randomly recorded the exact coordinates of a disk that had no reason to be important when you picked it up OR you knew about it in advance. The later is so much more likely that'd I'd win the lottery before the former was true.

But even presuming you are actually the rare individual with Eidetic memory: Quests shouldn't be designed with the presumption that every single person playing it has a .0001% genetic lottery victory to have Eidetic memory.

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