Class balance - ranger and trickster

[level3]

They feel extremly underpowered for some reason. Trickster seems like a meme and ranger seems borderline useless. How do you personaly feel about these two?

Bonus: Warfarer gets only 3 skills? wtf, why making a DD1 warrior layout in DD2?

EDIT: for anyone who cares, ranger is an ok class at minimum, IF youre manually aiming. Dont bother playing ranger if you dont manually aim, since he'd become a pile of useless garbage. Now, if you do aim with L1/LB, he turns out quite good tbh.

[ZermondDaggmask]

Trickster is a support and Ranger is pretty good imo. tho if you compare them to mystic archer or spearhand then yes, they're underpowered.

[phane]

I like Ranger, Whirling/Spiral Arrow does crazy damage and multiple casts stack hitting multiple spots at once. With high Knockdown its like a ranged kick in the face sending smaller mobs flying or knocking a bunch of harpies out of the sky. Then you got Torrent Shot where you can machine gun fire with high stamina builds.

[level3]

Originally posted by ZermondDaggmask:

Trickster is a support and Ranger is pretty good imo. tho if you compare them to mystic archer or spearhand then yes, they're underpowered.

i compared ranger to fighter, warrior and thief. 2k gold poison arrows are bit expensive in ng, so ive never bothered to use them and explosive ones seem weak. its just idk where the dps should come from? One could argue that ranger is half support with status arrows, but that would be a total bummer.

[level3]

Originally posted by phane:

Whirling/Spiral Arrow does crazy damage and multiple casts stack hitting multiple spots at once.

From what i remember in DD1 it didnt much dmg but was used for status effects. Didnt try it in DD2, so will try that.

[Corona Scurrae]

archer is a bit broken with the assortment of arrows at your disposal. I have to limit myself to two explosive arrows otherwise I would breeze through any bossfight with ease.

also in general I don't think archer is weaker considering you can attack anyone no matter if they are flying or on the ground. if you played warrior you'd know what a struggle it is

[Zeel Ara]

Ranger definitely doesn't compare to thief as damage dealer. The range isn't even an advantage since thief is invulnerable for the duration of the fight, thus bypassing the traditional weakness of a melee damage dealer. The arrows kinda make up for it though, but it's a bit of a hassle.

Trickster is amazing at what it does, and no other class does the same. Leave that one the hell alone :D

[Mou bu]

Use explosive arrow, celestial shot and kick combos. Unstoppable.
You melt anything in seconds.

[VoiD]

Originally posted by Ratley:

Ranger definitely doesn't compare to thief as damage dealer. The range isn't even an advantage since thief is invulnerable for the duration of the fight, thus bypassing the traditional weakness of a melee damage dealer. The arrows kinda make up for it though, but it's a bit of a hassle.

Trickster is amazing at what it does, and no other class does the same. Leave that one the hell alone :D

You're right.

But just one thing.

The invincible legendary skill really is like a cheat, it makes the entire game's content far too easy.

BUT it's also dragging some thieves down, it's draining all their stamina, which could be used for attacks, and a good thief could use his countermove instead, if you're an excelent player you can avoid taking damage anyway, spending far less stamina, and dealing a ton of damage every time you counter someone instead.

It really feels like training wheels for gaming journos.

[Agent Chieftain]

Archer is amazing as a pawn class. Pawn archers are just aimbots, and can strike enemies with nearly perfect accuracy from miles away.

[Zeel Ara]

Originally posted by VoiD:

The invincible legendary skill really is like a cheat, it makes the entire game's content far too easy.

Oh absolutely. But a lot of classes have those. Spearhand's group shield is similarly busted.

Personally I stop using the skills that trivialize gameplay, but when discussing class balance in general I feel like it is most resonable to assume that people are, broadly speaking, going to be using the best tools available to them. I don't like having to handicap myself to keep the game interesting. I'm willing to do it, but I don't expect everyone else to feel the same way.

[Smug Kot]

And if you compare all the vocations to thief, then everyone is ♥♥♥♥ tier.

[level3]

Originally posted by Aurelio:

Use explosive arrow, celestial shot and kick combos. Unstoppable.
You melt anything in seconds.

Explosives were kinda meh? Maybe i had a weak bow or something? I'm talking about big baddies only. By celestial shot, do you mean the heavenly shot from the maister?

Originally posted by Outback Santa ( SHILL ):

if you played warrior you'd know what a struggle it is

Strangely enough, i didnt struggle with warrior one bit. In fact, i had an amazingly easy time with warrior. Coming from DD1, i did think that ranger will be at least somewhat bonkers and warrior bit meh, which doesnt seem to be like that as of now. With warrior only the dragons are a bit tricky, because of the longer windup of warriors moves. Everything else dies waaaayy to fast. Trash gets annihilated on the spot.warrior + high knockdown hammer + jumping hard attack = broken beyond belief

Originally posted by Agent Chieftain:

Archer is amazing as a pawn class. Pawn archers are just aimbots, and can strike enemies with nearly perfect accuracy from miles away.

yeah, pretty much. very helpful if you main some closecombat class.

Originally posted by Smug Kot:

And if you compare all the vocations to thief, then everyone is ♥♥♥♥ tier.

Warrior and fighter seemed decent. One with big dmg unga bunga moves and the other one has skewer and one, if not the most, broken counter.

[Corona Scurrae]

Originally posted by Smug Kot:

And if you compare all the vocations to thief, then everyone is ♥♥♥♥ tier.

idk why you received a clown award considering you are correct. thief is absolutely busted.

[ThatOneGuy]

Originally posted by Smug Kot:

And if you compare all the vocations to thief, then everyone is ♥♥♥♥ tier.

MA and Warfarer can stand toe to toe,

Warfarer with Rivet shot and whatever multi hit homing skills you can throw at the enemy procs Flare a lot nicer than just skull splitter, thanks to being ranged and homing

MA can just Martyr bolt and forget

MS offers party wide invincibility, lacking in the dps side compared to the other two though

[AH-1 Cobra]

Archer is amazing if you bring and use the correct assortment of arrows in a given situation. It's fun bullying the local fauna with oil arrows and setting them on fire, "inserts Nelson HA HA!" meme.