There are a LOT of cheaters

[Bazerker]

So many people that cheated in items and leveled their vocations. You realize we can see what skills and augments you have equipped on all your vocations, right? No, you didn't max out thief with only cutting wind equipped and no you didn't unlock the corset when less then 1% of the population have even found 80 seeker tokens let alone the required number.

[KingOfFriedChicken]

Originally posted by Azathoth:

dude, seekers token location is on youtube, where did you get 1% from ?

When this was posted it was a smaller % then it is now lol

Edit: Steam global achievements tells you % of players who have it

[Xan84]

Originally posted by Krówka:

Lol at this whole singleplayer police, can't even get their facts straight.

If your pawn isn't hired it's not because other pawns have cheated items as those doesn't carry over their cheated status, but because your pawn is ugly or looks like a copy&paste of other pawns(for example a tiny, cute, near nude, white girl or a naked chest, buff dude), eventually is in a class that doesn't deal any real dmg and 90% of the other pawns that shows when not using filters are using(literally 9 support mages per 1 other class when not filtering them out, let's see if majority of players use support mage for their pawn which is the class they will definitely NOT hire?).

Most end game thing people are farming is pawn badges, doing so you get tons of levels and stuff to give away, but also again you don't really want to fill your party with support mages to do so, you want damage, big damage, legendary spells from sorc or some other dps classes not a party of 3 support mages that remove poison of each other and spam heal.

And stop making complete noobs out of yourself saying you saw someone didn't had skills equipped on classes they maxed as indicator of cheating, this is normal behaviour of every NG+ since it keeps all your skills, levels and items, but resets everything to default and most people will not bother customizing everything again.

The only cheat/mod even remotely affecting others is changing base stats of your pawn or using mods that change leveling system which then affects those base pawn stats, just don't use those, feel free to abuse any other cheat or mod, nobody cares, it's a single player game, people will be butthurt you can do stuff in their single player game they choose to not do, it's called being human.

I don't know dude, I got a tiny and cute white girl mage, support, missing the naked or half naked (she has a end game robe) and I get her hired every day. I would not say she is in high demand but 2-3 times a day she get's hired. Its enough to have a lot of them credits to buy pawns for me 5-6 levels above me. I think I am around lvl 60 or so. ID DUUSLBQFH0TQ

I don't seem to have the thing with tons of support mages showing up when searching for pawns. I think I find more sorcerer then anything.

I am currently in NG+ trying to get all the upgrades for my dudes and pawn gear.

[Boombastic]

Originally posted by Lloyd:

Originally posted by Azathoth:

dude, seekers token location is on youtube, where did you get 1% from ?

27 March
Total Achivment 1%

Today 3.7% ppls find 80 tokens

Which suggests that a lot of people just bought tokens or hacked their way into guilds to get items from them.

As far as I remember that to get an armored bra you need 160 tokens or 170. Whatever... you get the gist of it, I hope?

You can even unlock any steam achievement without playing the games. So why should someone care for these stats? Play your own achievements and care less for what others do and you will have a happier life ;-)

[富士葵 『F U J I _A O I』]

Originally posted by Bazerker:

So many people that cheated in items and leveled their vocations. You realize we can see what skills and augments you have equipped on all your vocations, right? No, you didn't max out thief with only cutting wind equipped and no you didn't unlock the corset when less then 1% of the population have even found 80 seeker tokens let alone the required number.

Its a single-player game. You can choose not to hire cheat pawns.

So it quite literally, does not affect you whether other players cheat.

[Kinsoku-Nyan]

Originally posted by 富士葵 『F U J I _A O I』:

Originally posted by Bazerker:

So many people that cheated in items and leveled their vocations. You realize we can see what skills and augments you have equipped on all your vocations, right? No, you didn't max out thief with only cutting wind equipped and no you didn't unlock the corset when less then 1% of the population have even found 80 seeker tokens let alone the required number.

Its a single-player game. You can choose not to hire cheat pawns.

So it quite literally, does not affect you whether other players cheat.

I think they just find it strange that other players maxed out the vocations with only basic skills.
Though, I only find it concerning on the tokens, considering by either:
1 - You can't obtain all at once, unless you mainly focus on some sort of a guide to help you with that.
2 - Getting Seeker Tokens as a reward from players (via Pawn Quests) is a rarity, considering most pawn quests I've seen are just item or gold rewards (though, I did see one quest that you have to give your token for that player's token, in which I find it hilarious). Plus, that player loses that Seeker Token, and it doesn't reset in the world unlike certain chests.
3 - The only way to lose your Seeker Tokens is if you complete your token list, in which a NG+ can aid you with that (if there IS an NG+...hopefully).
4 - It's an obvious cheat, in which gives that player an instant "223 Seeker Tokens" (I think that's the total for the last reward in the list).

[H-Foundry PIXIV]

Originally posted by 富士葵 『F U J I _A O I』:

Its a single-player game. You can choose not to hire cheat pawns.

If only it was easy to tell.

You have to waste time investigating and making value judgements though. Like a level 18 who has every vocation at max is obvious, but at later levels it becomes plausible denial and you can't tell.

Cheaters won't appreciate any rents because they have infinite of whatever anyway so they are just taking a rent slot from an honest player.

It's Capcoms fault at the end of the day, not really the cheaters. There's no solution that would work (especially anti-cheat software). There would be a solution by making certain things server side only, but that's gonna cost money and not worth it for Capcom.

[Arkady]

Originally posted by Lloyd:

Originally posted by Azathoth:

dude, seekers token location is on youtube, where did you get 1% from ?

27 March
Total Achivment 1%

Today 3.7% ppls find 80 tokens

Which suggests that a lot of people just bought tokens or hacked their way into guilds to get items from them.

As far as I remember that to get an armored bra you need 160 tokens or 170. Whatever... you get the gist of it, I hope?

Bought tokens LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL Please oh please tell me which DLC sells you Seeker tokens.

All your rant can be resumed: "everyone who achieve anything I didn't achieve yet is a cheater"

[GodMan]

Originally posted by Arkady:

Originally posted by Lloyd:

27 March
Total Achivment 1%

Today 3.7% ppls find 80 tokens

Which suggests that a lot of people just bought tokens or hacked their way into guilds to get items from them.

As far as I remember that to get an armored bra you need 160 tokens or 170. Whatever... you get the gist of it, I hope?

Bought tokens LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL Please oh please tell me which DLS sells you Seeker tokens.

All your rant can be resumed: "everyone who achieve anything I didn't achieve yet is a cheater"

You can literally install a mod that lets you buy any item in the game from 3 shopkeepers in the capital.

But anyway I'm flabbergasted that this topic still lives. Its not like these people invade you and destroy your game. If anything, they can give you better items for hiring... which you literally can decline if you dont want them.

[Kinsoku-Nyan]

Originally posted by GodMan:

Originally posted by Arkady:

Bought tokens LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL Please oh please tell me which DLS sells you Seeker tokens.

All your rant can be resumed: "everyone who achieve anything I didn't achieve yet is a cheater"

You can literally install a mod that lets you buy any item in the game from 3 shopkeepers in the capital.

Hm...a mod that lets you cheat, you mean. Not that I'm hating nor against it, but this does confirm the topic of this discussion.

[Edelgris]

Originally posted by GodMan:

Originally posted by Arkady:

Bought tokens LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL Please oh please tell me which DLS sells you Seeker tokens.

All your rant can be resumed: "everyone who achieve anything I didn't achieve yet is a cheater"

You can literally install a mod that lets you buy any item in the game from 3 shopkeepers in the capital.

But anyway I'm flabbergasted that this topic still lives. Its not like these people invade you and destroy your game. If anything, they can give you better items for hiring... which you literally can decline if you dont want them.

Cheating has consequences for other players.

You mostly earn RC by getting your pawn hired by other players. Having to compete against people who have pawns with cheated stats and items is fundamentally unfair and is a clear RC loss for legit players. And not only RC loss, but several other things as well, such as badges, gold and items. This should not be hard for anyone to understand.

It's also unreasonable that a player should have to wade through a bunch of cheater pawns, trying to find a legit one.

[J-Sheridan]

Originally posted by Kinsoku-Nyan:

Originally posted by GodMan:

You can literally install a mod that lets you buy any item in the game from 3 shopkeepers in the capital.

Hm...a mod that lets you cheat, you mean. Not that I'm hating nor against it, but this does confirm the topic of this discussion.

You got mods that respawn bosses every day.
You got mods that alter the chests so they contain randomised loot.
You got mods that alter all of the gear so they have endgame stats allowing people to wear what they want rather than be forced to wear specific outifts.
You got mods that remove class restrictions so players can wear anything they like regardless of vocation.

You want to call people altering a SINGLE PLAYER GAME to suit their own desires cheating because of an online element that has no competitive aspect or PVP to get an "unfair advantage" in.

If some dude levels their pawn to 999 - How exactly is that causing an unfair advantage ?
Noone who is playing legitimately is going to SEE that Pawn or be able to hire it unless the person is on your friends list... and that is entirely on the person hiring it.

A pawn is going to have no gameplay advantage over ANY other pawn regardless of how maxed a vocation or level it is.

If some dude gives their pawn the best gear in the game - That is causing no more of an "unfair advantage" than someone getting that gear legitimately and putting it on their pawn. Gear is not level restricted and you have minimal ability to tell if gear was gained legitimately or through modding.

At best, you are going to have a level 1 pawn with endgame gear with all the skills and vocations unlocked = It wont take long for legitimate players to out-level that pawn advantage and see pawns that have the same skills and gear.

You going to start banning anyone that has endgame gear on a pawn at a certain level ?
What level is that going to be ?

You going to start banning pawns that have too many vocations maxed at a certain level ?
What level is that going to be ?

The gear advantage is a complete non-issue and ultimately the game was built with no level restrictions on gear AND the ability to send gear to pawns. This is entirely on the game design.

[Edelgris]

Originally posted by J-Sheridan:

The gear advantage is a complete non-issue and ultimately the game was built with no level restrictions on gear AND the ability to send gear to pawns. This is entirely on the game design.

The gear advantage is not a "non-issue". You simply saying it's a "non-issue" doesn't make it true... There is no reasoning behind your statement.

You're trying to pretend that putting maxed out gear on a low level pawn in a minute by means of cheating is the same as manually grinding them within the rules of the game. It's a flat out lie.

Only a comparatively minuscule amount of people would commit to doing this the legit way. With cheating, the amount of people doing the same is WAY higher, making it much harder for legit pawns to get hired.

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[Vixziค็็็็็n]

Originally posted by Edelgris:

Originally posted by J-Sheridan:

The gear advantage is a complete non-issue and ultimately the game was built with no level restrictions on gear AND the ability to send gear to pawns. This is entirely on the game design.

The gear advantage is not a "non-issue". You simply saying it's a "non-issue" doesn't make it true... There is no reasoning behind your statement.

You're trying to pretend that putting maxed out gear on a low level pawn in a minute by means of cheating is the same as manually grinding them within the rules of the game. It's a flat out lie.

Only a comparatively minuscule amount of people would commit to doing this the legit way. With cheating, the amount of people doing the same is WAY higher, making it much harder for legit pawns to get hired.

Except it does make it true. Single Player Game.

[Krówka]

Originally posted by Xan84:

I don't seem to have the thing with tons of support mages showing up when searching for pawns. I think I find more sorcerer then anything.

I am currently in NG+ trying to get all the upgrades for my dudes and pawn gear.

Not only you shamelessly advertise your pawn, there's a huge gap in our levels. Maybe it's true on level 60, for me on level 3 times higher I see mostly support mages. Either way the point stands, your pawn will have very tiny chance to get hired if you use a class that most people around your level have, check what's rare and that'll be much more popular, it has nothing to do with pawns being OP or not.

Single player police in here seems to just write useless arguments anyway as if they weren't soo bottom hurt they'd know Capcom has pity system that would make their pawn hired if nobody else did. They'd also know about effects of NG+ doing to equipped skills and other stuff they just have no idea about due to spending more time being bottom hurt than actually playing the game.