What is the deal with the rift crystal?

[sleeper]

Can they be gained in the game and pretty much that and are they not a form of pay to win right?

[wesnef]

Originally posted by 0x41414141:

You're missing the point that developers control the knobs that determine how hard and grindy it is to do something in your singleplayer game and they WILL tune the knobs to maximize profit and push as much people as possible to buy the "skip" offered by MTX.

Is it that hard to understand how it works or is it too abstract to consider?

No, it's too "the devs are my enemy, and I must consider everything they do through the lens of Enemy Action" for me.

And I've been playing JRPGs of various kinds since the SNES. They've always been grindy.

The only games I've run into that I've thought were 'tuned' to push you towards boost consumables were the original generations of f2p Korean MMOs (the ones where you'd do a full day of daily quests, and get 1% xp towards the next level.)

So, no. I don't believe that Capcom balanced the game to push you towards those MTX. (esp since I also played DD1 years ago, and it was a similar level of grind.) I believe that they're a convenience feature for salarymen who have more money than time on their hands. Similar DLC have existed for several console generations in other JRPGs (like the Tales series from Namco)

[chaosdemon122]

Originally posted by wesnef:

Yes. they're earnable in game.

And nothing in a single-player game is "pay to win". You're not in competition with any other players.

(currently I've got a few hundred RC from the first few hours & my pawn getting used by other players.)

Originally posted by Seekrt:

They are gained in game by having your pawn hired, killing enemies and completing missions.

And finding abandoned riftstones.

Wait... I thought the abandoned rift stones were taking RC away to repair them.

[Squiggle Cheeks]

Dark Sir-ism was an expansion to the original DD that made the use of rift crystals useful for more than hiring pawns. I imagine that will be the same in the future of DD2. That's assuming the game doesn't flop. I am starting to get first hand reports that this game is horrible.

[0x41414141]

Originally posted by wesnef:

Originally posted by 0x41414141:

You're missing the point that developers control the knobs that determine how hard and grindy it is to do something in your singleplayer game and they WILL tune the knobs to maximize profit and push as much people as possible to buy the "skip" offered by MTX.

Is it that hard to understand how it works or is it too abstract to consider?

So, no. I don't believe that Capcom balanced the game to push you towards those MTX. (esp since I also played DD1 years ago, and it was a similar level of grind.)

We haven't gotten to the part where they tune it :) They need the data first. Tuning comes at a second step. Or maybe a future game. What matters is that swallowing this MTX ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ is saying: "player's are willing to pay to advance their singleplayer experience; we just need to figure out the right balance of annoying vs worth paying for convenience"

[wesnef]

Originally posted by Squiggle Cheeks:

Dark Sir-ism was an expansion to the original DD that made the use of rift crystals useful for more than hiring pawns. I imagine that will be the same in the future of DD2. That's assuming the game doesn't flop. I am starting to get first hand reports that this game is horrible.

Well, all I can say is that I'm enjoying it. And there's 170k people in-game right now. /shrug

[steedless]

It only costs RC to hire a pawn when they are over your level. Same level or lower pawns, including all pawns from friends regardless of level, are free.

[DaBa]

Originally posted by Squiggle Cheeks:

Dark Sir-ism was an expansion to the original DD that made the use of rift crystals useful for more than hiring pawns. I imagine that will be the same in the future of DD2. That's assuming the game doesn't flop. I am starting to get first hand reports that this game is horrible.

The game itself is great thankfully, it's exactly what fans of the original wanted. The only thing about it that actually sucks, and it sucks so much it ruins the whole thing for a lot of people is the abysmal performance. Otherwise? It's literally just more of the same, but bigger and better than it was before.

The game may still flop due to just how much bad press it got in those crucial first few days. A lot of people will see the game has mostly negative reviews and never look at it again. First impressions matter A LOT. And I guarantee you that this whole mess is going to hurt sales, hard.

[onedudesmind]

How long does it take to grind rift crystals? How much time is that $1.99 500 worth? That is all i really need to know.

[Seekrt]

Originally posted by 0x41414141:

Originally posted by wesnef:

Yes. they're earnable in game.

And nothing in a single-player game is "pay to win". You're not in competition with any other players.

(currently I've got a few hundred RC from the first few hours & my pawn getting used by other players.)



And finding abandoned riftstones.

You're missing the point that developers control the knobs that determine how hard and grindy it is to do something in your singleplayer game and they WILL tune the knobs to maximize profit and push as much people as possible to buy the "skip" offered by MTX.

Is it that hard to understand how it works or is it too abstract to consider?

If you don't buy any, others won't buy any, and no one is forced to buy any, it's a non problem. All rpgs I have played had a measure of grinding and that was always controlled by the dev, Nothing special on that front.

[Vega]

The Rift Crystal MTX, as annoying as it looks, is a measly 10,000 RC, and it's one time - just like the rest.

You will gain much, much more through playing. People are only complaining because everyone else is, get over it.

[Kaynos]

Originally posted by onedudesmind:

How long does it take to grind rift crystals? How much time is that $1.99 500 worth? That is all i really need to know.

500 is pocket change. Don't buy the Micro transaction. Your pawn will get thousands upon thousands by getting hired.

[Seekrt]

Originally posted by RadioactiveGods:

Originally posted by wesnef:

Yes. they're earnable in game.

And nothing in a single-player game is "pay to win". You're not in competition with any other players.

(currently I've got a few hundred RC from the first few hours & my pawn getting used by other players.)



And finding abandoned riftstones.

This has got to be one of the worst takes I have ever heard in my life, fym a single player game can't be pay to win?? You CAN win the game, you CAN pay to make everything about it faster and easier, ergo they most certainly can be pay to win.

Yep, you have to pay to play too! Should think about that!

[Vega]

Originally posted by onedudesmind:

How long does it take to grind rift crystals? How much time is that $1.99 500 worth? That is all i really need to know.

I'm still new to the sequel, but you can get Rift Crystals through your pawns being rented, through chests, through kills and loot. Quest rewards? It's varying. It's like gold. There's also probably items that drop that give you RC. It's EVERYWHERE. They're like pawn quotes.

Rift Crystals are one of those numbers like gold that can and will reach the millions, at least in DD1.

[onedudesmind]

Originally posted by Kaynos:

Originally posted by onedudesmind:

How long does it take to grind rift crystals? How much time is that $1.99 500 worth? That is all i really need to know.

500 is pocket change. Don't buy the Micro transaction. Your pawn will get thousands upon thousands by getting hired.

Thanx that is the info i wanted :-)

[The King in Yellow]

Originally posted by 0x41414141:

RC are used to hire pawns.
Better pawn; Win Game Easier.
More RC -> Easier Game == More real money -> more RC -> more win
pay to win

Does pay to win even matter in a single player game? You could just use cheats or mods... mod to win?? Console command to win? Who cares???