Dragon's Dogma 2

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uladentar Mar 8, 2024 @ 9:13pm
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Character Creation was why I loved DD:DA. Refund.
This kinda sucks. Not just the height slider limitation, but also the skin color limitations. I can't make children, dwarves, OR orcs. Before I get "ewww, lolicon" comments, please keep in mind: In DD:DA, height was a mechanic. Lower height, heigher climbing ability. Higher height, stand your ground easier. I played big hulking giant ladies just as often, if not more often, than I played smol characters, whether I flavored them as halflings or whatever.

Also, I've never been one to buy many AAA $50 games, when that was the norm. Or $60, when that was the norm. So I'm a lot less amicable to this 'inflation' of $70 games. (Side Question: How much of 'inflation' is economics, and how much is just corporate greed masked by current economic events?)

I'm kind of anti-DRM too, so between these things, I'll refund the EA I bought. I'll watch for the game to go on sale and watch the modding community to see how it evolves.

Thanks, Capcom, for releasing this character creator early. It was very, very useful for me.

Heh.
Last edited by uladentar; Mar 8, 2024 @ 9:17pm
Originally posted by Jobko:
Originally posted by Unyielding Sarcasm:
Originally posted by PSA:

I watched the entire video, but perhaps I missed it. When in the video did he prove the people complaining about height wrong?

Could you give a timestamp.
I did watch it at x1.5 speed, so maybe I missed it,
All I saw was him showing off characters which are not below 160cm.
people crying about not being able to make lolis are calling the creator dumbed down.

The video clearly shows that its not dumbed down in the slightest.

hence proving them wrong.

It’s dumbed down in certain ways. Something can be worse specifically in some ways, but better in others. No one is saying the old CC is better in every single way, but the fact that the new CC, 11-12 years after the first game, isn’t better in every single way sucks.

Just look at the negative reviews for the CC and how many people actually care. It’s like 20% last time I checked.
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Amon Mar 10, 2024 @ 11:55am 
Originally posted by Jobko:
Originally posted by Amon:
Respectfully some of these are not true and some are a bit of a stretch I think

Which points are not true? I was in the editor for over 6 hours.
There are young faces, cute faces, Japanese and Korean looking faces. Check the reddit for DD2
Mike Mar 10, 2024 @ 12:13pm 
imagine loving a game for ONE feature that come before you even play the game lol. Thats like those people who spend thousands of dollars to build the most clean, neat, and powerful gaming computers, only for them to never play any games and just surf the web with them lol.

At this point why not stop gaming and learn one of those 3d modeling softwares and just spend thousands of hours creating characters from scratch, like creating clay sculptures?

If you liked the character creator MORE then the actual GAME then I'm sorry to tell you but 99% of games are not for you, because guess what 99% of people actually want to spend their time doing? PLAYING THE GAME not making a character for no reason.
dirtshrimp Mar 10, 2024 @ 12:15pm 
Originally posted by Mike:
imagine loving a game for ONE feature that come before you even play the game lol. Thats like those people who spend thousands of dollars to build the most clean, neat, and powerful gaming computers, only for them to never play any games and just surf the web with them lol.

At this point why not stop gaming and learn one of those 3d modeling softwares and just spend thousands of hours creating characters from scratch, like creating clay sculptures?

If you liked the character creator MORE then the actual GAME then I'm sorry to tell you but 99% of games are not for you, because guess what 99% of people actually want to spend their time doing? PLAYING THE GAME not making a character for no reason.

The character creation has a big effect on the gameplay. If you don't know that you probably never played the first game.
Mike Mar 10, 2024 @ 12:47pm 
Originally posted by dirtshrimp:
Originally posted by Mike:
imagine loving a game for ONE feature that come before you even play the game lol. Thats like those people who spend thousands of dollars to build the most clean, neat, and powerful gaming computers, only for them to never play any games and just surf the web with them lol.

At this point why not stop gaming and learn one of those 3d modeling softwares and just spend thousands of hours creating characters from scratch, like creating clay sculptures?

If you liked the character creator MORE then the actual GAME then I'm sorry to tell you but 99% of games are not for you, because guess what 99% of people actually want to spend their time doing? PLAYING THE GAME not making a character for no reason.

The character creation has a big effect on the gameplay. If you don't know that you probably never played the first game.

Played the first game through multiple times, and DD2 character details will also have effect on gameplay, so whats your point?

People over exaggerate EVERYTHING to act like all of those systems are removed or something, when its clear they are still intact and weight/height 100% will effect your character in many ways.

Its just another nitpick and pointless issue to whine about, just like the dum dums who expected 16-20 vocations when every other DD game has only had 11 MAX lol.
Rumi Mar 10, 2024 @ 12:48pm 
Originally posted by uladentar:
This kinda sucks. Not just the height slider limitation, but also the skin color limitations. I can't make children, dwarves, OR orcs. Before I get "ewww, lolicon" comments, please keep in mind: In DD:DA, height was a mechanic. Lower height, heigher climbing ability. Higher height, stand your ground easier. I played big hulking giant ladies just as often, if not more often, than I played smol characters, whether I flavored them as halflings or whatever.

Also, I've never been one to buy many AAA $50 games, when that was the norm. Or $60, when that was the norm. So I'm a lot less amicable to this 'inflation' of $70 games. (Side Question: How much of 'inflation' is economics, and how much is just corporate greed masked by current economic events?)

I'm kind of anti-DRM too, so between these things, I'll refund the EA I bought. I'll watch for the game to go on sale and watch the modding community to see how it evolves.

Thanks, Capcom, for releasing this character creator early. It was very, very useful for me.

Heh.
You can just use Cheat Engine to unlock all sliders
dirtshrimp Mar 10, 2024 @ 12:49pm 
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by dirtshrimp:

The character creation has a big effect on the gameplay. If you don't know that you probably never played the first game.

Played the first game through multiple times, and DD2 character details will also have effect on gameplay, so whats your point?

People over exaggerate EVERYTHING to act like all of those systems are removed or something, when its clear they are still intact and weight/height 100% will effect your character in many ways.

Its just another nitpick and pointless issue to whine about, just like the dum dums who expected 16-20 vocations when every other DD game has only had 11 MAX lol.
Expecting twice as many vocations is different from expecting them not to remove important features that were in the first game.
Mike Mar 10, 2024 @ 1:09pm 
Originally posted by dirtshrimp:
Originally posted by Mike:

Played the first game through multiple times, and DD2 character details will also have effect on gameplay, so whats your point?

People over exaggerate EVERYTHING to act like all of those systems are removed or something, when its clear they are still intact and weight/height 100% will effect your character in many ways.

Its just another nitpick and pointless issue to whine about, just like the dum dums who expected 16-20 vocations when every other DD game has only had 11 MAX lol.
Expecting twice as many vocations is different from expecting them not to remove important features that were in the first game.

What important features? last I checked characters weight/height,...etc still effects gameplay in some way from inventory size, stamina consumption, stamina regen, ....etc, in fact you can see the weight of a character go up and down in the CC.

So your telling me just because you can't make a child/dwarf under a certain height that an "important" feature was lost and the game is somehow ruined? Please stop the cap :steamfacepalm:
dirtshrimp Mar 10, 2024 @ 1:17pm 
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by dirtshrimp:
Expecting twice as many vocations is different from expecting them not to remove important features that were in the first game.

What important features? last I checked characters weight/height,...etc still effects gameplay in some way from inventory size, stamina consumption, stamina regen, ....etc, in fact you can see the weight of a character go up and down in the CC.

So your telling me just because you can't make a child/dwarf under a certain height that an "important" feature was lost and the game is somehow ruined? Please stop the cap :steamfacepalm:

It is important and im tired of people pretending its not. Limiting the height like this drastically reduces the number of types of characters you can make. DD1 character creator was revolutionary for the body customization and that was probably one of the most unique things about the game aside from the combat.
Last edited by dirtshrimp; Mar 10, 2024 @ 1:17pm
uladentar Mar 10, 2024 @ 1:20pm 
Originally posted by VeronaKate:
I was able to make a pawn look like handsome squidward . Take my money Capcom !
You. You are what's making me have a really good chuckle right now. Everybody is like "yey, the cursed short pawns are gone!"... but, b-b-b-baby, you ain't seen nothin' yet. People are gonna be inundated with the most cursed pawns the internet has to offer. Handsome Squidwards. Fat Old Japanese Dudes. The most possibly disturbing cursed pawns will flood the online mode. Mark. My. Words.
PSA Mar 10, 2024 @ 1:25pm 
Originally posted by Greywolf:
Originally posted by PSA:
It is not just that! There is a ton of missing options https://youtu.be/vqooRrnpYes?si=lGEr86uPz9SN0tDN
After making this video I also discovered that there is no red hair!

There are a couple of things you missed in that video, the height slider you showed for the original only goes from 137 to 195 which is a difference of 58, but in DD2 the heights go from 160 to a whopping 215 for a difference of 55, so between the 2 you are basically complaining about losing a height variation of 3cms.

Also when it comes to the skin colours you are skipping over the fact that there are a lot more skin complexions which when combined with the different colours show a lot of different variations, for example some of the darker complexions show darker colours where if you choose the lighter complexions you can get the other greener and bluer skin colours to stand out more, this is not to mention that the skin colours that you are upset about losing from the base game are skin colours you had to unlock later on in the game, so odds are there will be extra options that you might need to unlock with rift crystals just as you did in the previous game.

And yet despite how stupid it is to fixate on these things as shown above you still fixate on them while ignoring the numerous improvements made to the character creator, you actually have sliders to adjust your body parts now instead of having to select them from a numbered list and hope your top half matches your bottom half, you have so many more makeup, scar and tattoo options now and they can be freely placed around the body while in the original face paint came under the makeup options (and there were hardly any face paint options let alone body paint) and were fixed to one location along with scars.

I want to make a character I like.
The options they added aren't related to me making a character I like. The options they removed are.
Last edited by PSA; Mar 10, 2024 @ 1:27pm
uladentar Mar 10, 2024 @ 1:25pm 
Originally posted by Rumi:
Originally posted by uladentar:
This kinda sucks. Not just the height slider limitation, but also the skin color limitations. I can't make children, dwarves, OR orcs. Before I get "ewww, lolicon" comments, please keep in mind: In DD:DA, height was a mechanic. Lower height, heigher climbing ability. Higher height, stand your ground easier. I played big hulking giant ladies just as often, if not more often, than I played smol characters, whether I flavored them as halflings or whatever.

Also, I've never been one to buy many AAA $50 games, when that was the norm. Or $60, when that was the norm. So I'm a lot less amicable to this 'inflation' of $70 games. (Side Question: How much of 'inflation' is economics, and how much is just corporate greed masked by current economic events?)

I'm kind of anti-DRM too, so between these things, I'll refund the EA I bought. I'll watch for the game to go on sale and watch the modding community to see how it evolves.

Thanks, Capcom, for releasing this character creator early. It was very, very useful for me.

Heh.
You can just use Cheat Engine to unlock all sliders
Possibly, except Denuvo and Enigma might prevent that? But like I said, I do feel like the problem will go away with modding, eventually, and the price will go down, and I'll buy it. Probably.
uladentar Mar 10, 2024 @ 1:28pm 
Originally posted by dirtshrimp:
Originally posted by Mike:

What important features? last I checked characters weight/height,...etc still effects gameplay in some way from inventory size, stamina consumption, stamina regen, ....etc, in fact you can see the weight of a character go up and down in the CC.

So your telling me just because you can't make a child/dwarf under a certain height that an "important" feature was lost and the game is somehow ruined? Please stop the cap :steamfacepalm:

It is important and im tired of people pretending its not. Limiting the height like this drastically reduces the number of types of characters you can make. DD1 character creator was revolutionary for the body customization and that was probably one of the most unique things about the game aside from the combat.


I mean, seriously. DD:DA was an okay game, IMHO. I spent a month or two on it. A lot of that was through making a gazillion different characters.

It also might be worth noting at this point that I'm a massive altholic. I like making lots of different unique characters, and this lack of diversity hits me exactly where it hurts.
The_K00lDude Mar 10, 2024 @ 1:31pm 
made my own orc by maxing out the size of green tattoos, looks a little jank on the shoulders and waist cause the tattoos fade there for some reason. Though I doubt we will see those parts of the body, since we will be using a lot of armours. with the armour on my orc looks pretty cool. The only thing missing is two big teeth. sadly theres no options to modify the teeth.

but yeah you can create a lot of things if your creative with the tools.
Last edited by The_K00lDude; Mar 10, 2024 @ 1:31pm
Seekrt Mar 10, 2024 @ 2:11pm 
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by dirtshrimp:
Expecting twice as many vocations is different from expecting them not to remove important features that were in the first game.

What important features? last I checked characters weight/height,...etc still effects gameplay in some way from inventory size, stamina consumption, stamina regen, ....etc, in fact you can see the weight of a character go up and down in the CC.

So your telling me just because you can't make a child/dwarf under a certain height that an "important" feature was lost and the game is somehow ruined? Please stop the cap :steamfacepalm:

Don't remember ever seeing a Dwarf pawn in the original game. Did see lots of naked children running about though.
papalazarou Mar 10, 2024 @ 2:14pm 
Originally posted by Duex:
show us your skyrim mod list, coward.

genius
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