People need to pay attention, the 30FPS on Console was in 4k quality mode.

[TooHigh2Die]

I just watched the IGN preview, dude says right at the end this was in 4k and not in any kind of performance mode and also that he was playing essentially a beta version and not final product.

People can bump this down to 1080p 90+ Frames like Cyberpunk 2077 if the game runs even poorly in 2k.

I feel like none of you own a switch... ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ GOTY winners at 30 frames on that console.

[Za]

pigswill. And wishfull thinking.

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Originally posted by -iD-:

Originally posted by sd:

Well my link shows far more than a 1% difference when it comes to open world games which is quite relevant since this game is open world and on top of that in the games where the fps is close, the cpu usage is much higher for the 9600k. 9600k cpu usage is almost double in some situations. Meaning those games would have likely had a much larger performance difference with better gpu's.

your link also shows the 9600k having about 60% gpu usage and far lower cpu usage for at least the first game. something is amiss there as there which tells me his config may be bad.

the second game shows similar expectations as to what ive been saying.
the third game shows drops to 80% gpu usage at similar areas as the 10600k at 90+%. a config issue could be in place here too.
the 4th game shows similar expectations as to what ive been saying.
the 5th game shows 70% gpu usage in areas compared to the 90% of the 10600k.
im sick of comparing them but they each have an anomaly in them with the exception of metro exodus.
witcher for example shows 84% gpu usage when the 10600k shows 97%.


i dont think those games are a good example of what performance should be comparing the two.
maybe if he used userbech his 9600k would fall on the lower end of the averages for all we know.

What? AC Odyssey shows more cpu usage and less gpu usage with the 9600k pc.

2nd game is a racing game. Not typically a very cpu heavy kind of game like open world games.

Lower gpu usage indicates a cpu bottleneck.

Notice how the framerate gap is larger in open world games where the cpu is more important.

Similar results in this video as well. RDR 2 and AC Odyssey both get around 20 fps higher with the 10600k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhmFNK_Yih8

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Originally posted by SolviteSekai:

Originally posted by Morgothx:

Don't count on it. Most games run at 60 fps on ps5 at LEAST. The last time i played a 30fps game was red dead 2. So this is no excuse, this will probably mean they spent minimum hours on optimizing. Count on very low fps on PC too.

No they dont lmfao. Most games run at 45 fps on PS5 even downscaling to 720p internal LOL

The only games i know of that actually do 60 fps are HFW and GoW:R which are both PS4 cross gen

No. Most games run 60 fps with maybe a drop here and there.

[Kain Mightyena]

Wrong. Its 4K CHECKERBOARD rendering aka console upscaling. Ya'll really have the memory of a gold fish already forgetting that starfield both had no performance mode and was only 30fps on the most powerful xbox and that translated into atrocious pc performance even till this day. History repeating itself, Buyer beware

[[-iD-]]

Originally posted by sd:

Originally posted by -iD-:

your link also shows the 9600k having about 60% gpu usage and far lower cpu usage for at least the first game. something is amiss there as there which tells me his config may be bad.

the second game shows similar expectations as to what ive been saying.
the third game shows drops to 80% gpu usage at similar areas as the 10600k at 90+%. a config issue could be in place here too.
the 4th game shows similar expectations as to what ive been saying.
the 5th game shows 70% gpu usage in areas compared to the 90% of the 10600k.
im sick of comparing them but they each have an anomaly in them with the exception of metro exodus.
witcher for example shows 84% gpu usage when the 10600k shows 97%.


i dont think those games are a good example of what performance should be comparing the two.
maybe if he used userbech his 9600k would fall on the lower end of the averages for all we know.

What? AC Odyssey shows more cpu usage and less gpu usage with the 9600k pc.

only if the cpu is stacked at 100%, but its not maxed out at all... those tests should really show the per core performance to get a better idea of whats going on. at the moment they are incredibly poorly done tests.
like i said i prefer the averages over the individual tests.

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Originally posted by -iD-:

Originally posted by sd:

What? AC Odyssey shows more cpu usage and less gpu usage with the 9600k pc.

only if the cpu is stacked at 100%, but its not maxed out at all... those tests should really show the per core performance to get a better idea of whats going on. at the moment they are incredibly poorly done tests.
like i said i prefer the averages over the individual tests.

The individual core usage is irrelevant. I linked legit hardware youtubers who know what they're doing. Just admit that the 10600k performs better in open world games. Your link has no open world games liek Dragons Dogma. Speakign of your link(the one with no open world games), The cpu userbenchmark site has a link to a youtube video that shows much stranger usage numbers. CS Go shows the 10600k at 16% and the gpu at 89%. The second link is another cpu bottlenecked pc. A 10900k with a 4090. GPU usage averaging 80% and the cpu averaging 44%

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgHnxdheJi0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwUtNE5xD0M

[[-iD-]]

Originally posted by sd:

Originally posted by -iD-:

only if the cpu is stacked at 100%, but its not maxed out at all... those tests should really show the per core performance to get a better idea of whats going on. at the moment they are incredibly poorly done tests.
like i said i prefer the averages over the individual tests.

The individual core usage is irrelevant.

no its not. since one cpu has 6 cores 12 threads and the other has 6 cores 6 threads.
single core performance for cinebench 2024 actually edges the 9600k over the 10600k by 1%
where as multi-core (as expected) blows it out of the water by nearly 25%. not all games use that many cores so we'd need to see how many cores AC:O uses to judge better.
re4r for example a re engine game seems to only use a few cores.
https://www.dsogaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Resident-Evil-4-Remake-CPU-scaling.jpg

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Originally posted by -iD-:

Originally posted by sd:

The individual core usage is irrelevant.

no its not. since one cpu has 6 cores 12 threads and the other has 6 cores 6 threads.
single core performance for cinebench 2024 actually edges the 9600k over the 10600k by 1%
where as multi-core (as expected) blows it out of the water by nearly 25%. not all games use that many cores so we'd need to see how many cores AC:O uses to judge better.
re4r for example a re engine game seems to only use a few cores.
https://www.dsogaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Resident-Evil-4-Remake-CPU-scaling.jpg

Tech Radar review shows the 10600k beating the 9600k in single core Cinenbench. Techpowerup shows the 10600k beating the 9600k in single core Cinebench.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-10600k/6.html

https://www.techradar.com/reviews/intel-core-i5-10600k#:~:text=The%20Intel%20Core%20i5-10600K%20is%20a%20massive%20improvement%20over,%2C%20temperatures%20miraculously%20don't.

[[-iD-]]

Originally posted by sd:

Originally posted by -iD-:

no its not. since one cpu has 6 cores 12 threads and the other has 6 cores 6 threads.
single core performance for cinebench 2024 actually edges the 9600k over the 10600k by 1%
where as multi-core (as expected) blows it out of the water by nearly 25%. not all games use that many cores so we'd need to see how many cores AC:O uses to judge better.
re4r for example a re engine game seems to only use a few cores.
https://www.dsogaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Resident-Evil-4-Remake-CPU-scaling.jpg

Tech Radar review shows the 10600k beating the 9600k in single core Cinenbench. Techpowerup shows the 10600k beating the 9600k in single core Cinebench.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-10600k/6.html

https://www.techradar.com/reviews/intel-core-i5-10600k#:~:text=The%20Intel%20Core%20i5-10600K%20is%20a%20massive%20improvement%20over,%2C%20temperatures%20miraculously%20don't.

in r20 maybe not 2024. the latest edition.

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Originally posted by -iD-:

Originally posted by sd:

Tech Radar review shows the 10600k beating the 9600k in single core Cinenbench. Techpowerup shows the 10600k beating the 9600k in single core Cinebench.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-10600k/6.html

https://www.techradar.com/reviews/intel-core-i5-10600k#:~:text=The%20Intel%20Core%20i5-10600K%20is%20a%20massive%20improvement%20over,%2C%20temperatures%20miraculously%20don't.

in r20 maybe not 2024. the latest edition.

10600k has higher clock speed so it would make no sense and it's on you to prove it. Plus all that really matters is that every open world test shows the 10600k being faster.

[[-iD-]]

Originally posted by sd:

Originally posted by -iD-:

in r20 maybe not 2024. the latest edition.

10600k has higher clock speed so it would make no sense and it's on you to prove it. Plus all that really matters is that every open world test shows the 10600k being faster.

i was actually looking at the wrong bar graph its 1% with the 10700k edging out the 9600k.
this is an easily googlable performance comparison and i have no urge to post their page here.
some times the 9600k does better some times it dont. they are comparable to each other in games that dont use a lot of cores.

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Originally posted by -iD-:

Originally posted by sd:

10600k has higher clock speed so it would make no sense and it's on you to prove it. Plus all that really matters is that every open world test shows the 10600k being faster.

i was actually looking at the wrong bar graph its 1% with the 10700k edging out the 9600k.
this is an easily googlable performance comparison and i have no urge to post their page here.
some times the 9600k does better some times it dont. they are comparable to each other in games that dont use a lot of cores.

I presented 2 sources showing the 10600k beating 9600k in cinebench and posted multiple videos showing 10600k doing better in open world games. It's not on me to google the data that supports your point.

[[-iD-]]

Originally posted by sd:

Originally posted by -iD-:

i was actually looking at the wrong bar graph its 1% with the 10700k edging out the 9600k.
this is an easily googlable performance comparison and i have no urge to post their page here.
some times the 9600k does better some times it dont. they are comparable to each other in games that dont use a lot of cores.

I presented 2 sources showing the 10600k beating 9600k in cinebench and posted multiple videos showing 10600k doing better in open world games. It's not on me to google the data that supports your point.

idc this conversation doesn't make sense, just cuz it does better under certain situations doesn't mean it isn't comparable in most cases.

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Originally posted by -iD-:

Originally posted by sd:

I presented 2 sources showing the 10600k beating 9600k in cinebench and posted multiple videos showing 10600k doing better in open world games. It's not on me to google the data that supports your point.

idc this conversation doesn't make sense, just cuz it does better under certain situations doesn't mean it isn't comparable in most cases.

You're the one who started the 9600k and 10600k comparison. Most cases don't matter, all that maters here is open world performance.

[SolviteSekai]

Originally posted by sd:

Originally posted by SolviteSekai:

No they dont lmfao. Most games run at 45 fps on PS5 even downscaling to 720p internal LOL

The only games i know of that actually do 60 fps are HFW and GoW:R which are both PS4 cross gen

No. Most games run 60 fps with maybe a drop here and there.

no they absolutely dont lol