pay to win

[Nobody]

how bad is the pay to win in this game (if its even bad to begin with)

[jeab]

引用自 ☣️Karnage：

引用自 Nobody：

yet even if we take all those platforms and add up their players they still have less then hell let loose, again a PAID FOR GAME

Again, how could you possibly know that? Neither game tracks total player numbers across all platforms.

Well dunno maybe by looking at the scoreboard. I get a lot of bot matches in enlisted. Have not yet seen a bot match on hll

[Nobody]

引用自 ☣️Karnage：

引用自 Nobody：

yet even if we take all those platforms and add up their players they still have less then hell let loose, again a PAID FOR GAME

Again, how could you possibly know that? Neither game tracks total player numbers across all platforms.

plenty of third party sites do, sure those arent 100% sure but its as close to 100% as it gets. keep coping

[Karnage]

引用自 Nobody：

引用自 ☣️Karnage：

Again, how could you possibly know that? Neither game tracks total player numbers across all platforms.

plenty of third party sites do, sure those arent 100% sure but its as close to 100% as it gets. keep coping

All of those sites base their estimates on Twitter interaction, Reddit followers, YouTube views, etc. They're educated guesses at best, but still guesses. And on that note, said guesses generally only factor in western platforms, that benefit the assumed player count of western games. This is an Eastern game made in Latvia, published by a Hungarian company. I could hate this game and it still wouldn't change the fact that your claims are based on faith, not facts. Our feelings are completely irrelevant.

[Nobody]

引用自 ☣️Karnage：

引用自 Nobody：

plenty of third party sites do, sure those arent 100% sure but its as close to 100% as it gets. keep coping

All of those sites base their estimates on Twitter interaction, Reddit followers, YouTube views, etc. They're educated guesses at best, but still guesses. And on that note, said guesses generally only factor in western platforms, that benefit the assumed player count of western games. This is an Eastern game made in Latvia, published by a Hungarian company. I could hate this game and it still wouldn't change the fact that your claims are based on faith, not facts. Our feelings are completely irrelevant. :lunar2019deadpanpig:

no their not lmao, they get their data from the game devs second hand thats why its third party. they ping servers and see how many people are playing on a games server at one time, kid you have no clue what youre talking about, just admit the game you spent a mortgage on is a trash mobile game that no one likes

[Count__Smarald]

引用自 Nobody：

they ping servers and see how many people are playing on a games server at one time

That's not how pings work... Not sure if ping is the word you meant, but a ping would not give you info regarding number of people connected.

Try it in command prompt: ping 8.8.8.8
This is Google's public DNS... It provides no such data.

[Nobody]

引用自 Count__Smarald：

引用自 Nobody：

they ping servers and see how many people are playing on a games server at one time

That's not how pings work... Not sure if ping is the word you meant, but a ping would not give you info regarding number of people connected.

Try it in command prompt: ping 8.8.8.8
This is Google's public DNS... It provides no such data.

that is the right word, they send out proxy "accounts" (bots) to all the servers of an online game and have those bots send back info on how many players are in said server i.e PINGING the server. again, hell let loose has more players than this trash mobile game, it will never pass 10k given its scummy dev team

[Nobody]

引用自 Count__Smarald：

引用自 Nobody：

they ping servers and see how many people are playing on a games server at one time

That's not how pings work... Not sure if ping is the word you meant, but a ping would not give you info regarding number of people connected.

Try it in command prompt: ping 8.8.8.8
This is Google's public DNS... It provides no such data.

heres how one of the website does it "This website is facilitated by a web frontend service and a data collector service that queries the Steam Web API. The collector queries the number of concurrent players on an hourly interval for every single game in the Steam catalog, and has been collecting data since July of 2012." so its as close to 100% as it gets to this stuff while not having the actual numbers from the devs themselves

[[CM] Ungorisz]

引用自 Nobody：

no their not lmao, they get their data from the game devs second hand thats why its third party. they ping servers and see how many people are playing on a games server at one time, kid you have no clue what youre talking about, just admit the game you spent a mortgage on is a trash mobile game that no one likes

As far as i know, we don't disclose the numbers. The closest you can get to player count is by counting the players in replays as replays are public (It's been done a few times in the past, you can find those topic on the forum), but even that only gives you an estimation as it only counts in-battle players.
You can't just "ping servers and see how many people are playing on a games server at one time", because it's simply not how things (softwares and networking) work, you would need API support, a simple ping does nothing.
Steam's API works for Steam games, as Steam knows about the number of players currently playing each game on their platform and discloses it, but only on their platform.

[Gold Merchant Lev]

引用自 lnq22：

引用自 L4Dtrooper：

You did not read what i wrote, or don't understand or refuse to, that fine i get it.

So i am a p2w player i did flip the coin, but is rarely win 9/10 that simply not posible like i said, its the team you get stuck with and even with the p2w items you can't fix stupid teammates/or bots if they were human at all.

But hey maybe that is my infernal luck, because according to you i should auto win and matched with a real human team that not only plays proper but has p2w items 9/10 times.
Yeah would be a dream but no that's delusional, so realistically win rates are more between 2/5, p2w or f2p you cant fix stupid and bots.

You paid to win and bought premium like a cheater and you can't win 9/10 games? I win 9/10 games as a free to play if I was premium I would basically never lose...
Premium options free players can never do: Switch to unique or situational squads without losing their essentials as options
Tank blown up by enemy tank? Just revenge bomb them and spawn another tank...
Plane gets shot down? Just use premium to pull a better air to air plane and shoot them down and suicide and pull another bomber plane...
If you have 3 or more vehicle slots and you aren't winning 9/10 matches you are just a garbage player PERIOD. Pay to win doesn't mean you buy wins you dense moron, it means you pay for an advantage other players don't have. Just like buying wall hacks or aimbot, not every cheat you buy guarantees a win but it DOES raise your chances...I leave lots of games because I don't like a ton of the game modes/maps so my win rate is around 80%, but if I was a sweaty try hard and actually played every match I am around 90% for SURE, only time I lose is usually to premium sweats who utilize stuff I CANNOT try or access because I don't want to support scummy criminal devs...shame on you, and I am glad you lose lots of matches and wasted your money on premium, rest in piss won't be missed...

The only scummy person here is you, who thinks you deserve to get to play a game for free. I literally only started playing this game today and its not bad. You're a bitter loser who can't afford to pay devs for something thats enjoyable then you'll cry when the game dies off. Premium players subsidise your existence because you're a loser commie who thinks you should get everything for "free"

[Count__Smarald]

引用自 CM Ungorisz：

As far as i know, we don't disclose the numbers. The closest you can get to player count is by counting the players in replays as replays are public (It's been done a few times in the past, you can find those topic on the forum), but even that only gives you an estimation as it only counts in-battle players.
You can't just "ping servers and see how many people are playing on a games server at one time", because it's simply not how things (softwares and networking) work, you would need API support, a simple ping does nothing.
Steam's API works for Steam games, as Steam knows about the number of players currently playing each game on their platform and discloses it, but only on their platform.

This actually really is interesting... If someone had the time they could absolutely go through and get active players (those sitting on the menu aren't necessarily active ... but could be doing inventory stuff) over the course of an hour and then show that over the course of a week to get a good read of active players in games. Since you could compile this info into excel you could take out duplicates within each hour segment...to leave just 1. There is also a list of all bots, so could use that to eliminate all the bot players from said info.

With that information available (just would be a pain in the rear to compile ... not to mention the time to do it), you actually really don't have much reason to not release active numbers, why doesn't DF release them, just curious? I've been told that the game is growing since the merge and since the steam release, but no real stats to show it in reality.

I mean monthly players i know are in the 50k+ range, at least during the April Fools event ... since I was below 50k in the leaderboard (not much into zombies, mostly did the bare minimum to get the event rewards and then left the mode to play the main game).

[jeab]

引用自 Gold Merchant Lev：

引用自 lnq22：

You paid to win and bought premium like a cheater and you can't win 9/10 games? I win 9/10 games as a free to play if I was premium I would basically never lose...
Premium options free players can never do: Switch to unique or situational squads without losing their essentials as options
Tank blown up by enemy tank? Just revenge bomb them and spawn another tank...
Plane gets shot down? Just use premium to pull a better air to air plane and shoot them down and suicide and pull another bomber plane...
If you have 3 or more vehicle slots and you aren't winning 9/10 matches you are just a garbage player PERIOD. Pay to win doesn't mean you buy wins you dense moron, it means you pay for an advantage other players don't have. Just like buying wall hacks or aimbot, not every cheat you buy guarantees a win but it DOES raise your chances...I leave lots of games because I don't like a ton of the game modes/maps so my win rate is around 80%, but if I was a sweaty try hard and actually played every match I am around 90% for SURE, only time I lose is usually to premium sweats who utilize stuff I CANNOT try or access because I don't want to support scummy criminal devs...shame on you, and I am glad you lose lots of matches and wasted your money on premium, rest in piss won't be missed...

The only scummy person here is you, who thinks you deserve to get to play a game for free. I literally only started playing this game today and its not bad. You're a bitter loser who can't afford to pay devs for something thats enjoyable then you'll cry when the game dies off. Premium players subsidise your existence because you're a loser commie who thinks you should get everything for "free"

You're a bitter loser who can't afford to pay devs for something thats enjoyable then you'll cry when the game dies off.
The year is 2024 and wealth is determined by how much money you spend on virtual soldiers or yearly premium time to play a free game. You can choose either you pay 20-40 buck a year to play free game or buy hll for 40 bucks and never pay again.

[Ogre455]

I play this game for almost a year. Its pay to grind, not pay to win. Buying extra teams or more slots doesn't guarantee victory.

Most people play bad, don't build rally points and rely on vehicles.

In order to win you need to capture points and you can only do it with infantry.

Yes grey zone tanking is annoying, but with planes you can deal with it.

To me the first major problem is the matchmaking. For start, I would like to see if there are teams in the opponents and which are the bots on both teams. Now that I am grinding Japan, often I find myself with 2 other players against a full opponent team.

Second the BR system. Good in theory, wrongly implemented. It would be better tiers 1+2 one group, 3+4 second group and BR5 alone.

Third the fact that you can't choose maps or types of battle (conquest, invasion, assault etc). As Japan 85% of the time I am on the defense, and its kind of annoying.

For the record I only play in BR2 because I enjoy the game more in low BR and I like the maps better than BR5.

[Vinterfjer]

FEED THE SNAIL
I mean i dont know man

[jeab]

引用自 Ogre455：

I play this game for almost a year. Its pay to grind, not pay to win. Buying extra teams or more slots doesn't guarantee victory.

Most people play bad, don't build rally points and rely on vehicles.

In order to win you need to capture points and you can only do it with infantry.

Yes grey zone tanking is annoying, but with planes you can deal with it.

To me the first major problem is the matchmaking. For start, I would like to see if there are teams in the opponents and which are the bots on both teams. Now that I am grinding Japan, often I find myself with 2 other players against a full opponent team.

Second the BR system. Good in theory, wrongly implemented. It would be better tiers 1+2 one group, 3+4 second group and BR5 alone.

Third the fact that you can't choose maps or types of battle (conquest, invasion, assault etc). As Japan 85% of the time I am on the defense, and its kind of annoying.

For the record I only play in BR2 because I enjoy the game more in low BR and I like the maps better than BR5.

Soon they will add the penalty for leaving matches and you are gonna be forced to play 4 games of conquest or get a penalty or some other bs. Cant choose maps or even game mode.

[Ogre455]

引用自 Jebu：

引用自 Ogre455：

I play this game for almost a year. Its pay to grind, not pay to win. Buying extra teams or more slots doesn't guarantee victory.

Most people play bad, don't build rally points and rely on vehicles.

In order to win you need to capture points and you can only do it with infantry.

Yes grey zone tanking is annoying, but with planes you can deal with it.

To me the first major problem is the matchmaking. For start, I would like to see if there are teams in the opponents and which are the bots on both teams. Now that I am grinding Japan, often I find myself with 2 other players against a full opponent team.

Second the BR system. Good in theory, wrongly implemented. It would be better tiers 1+2 one group, 3+4 second group and BR5 alone.

Third the fact that you can't choose maps or types of battle (conquest, invasion, assault etc). As Japan 85% of the time I am on the defense, and its kind of annoying.

For the record I only play in BR2 because I enjoy the game more in low BR and I like the maps better than BR5.

Soon they will add the penalty for leaving matches and you are gonna be forced to play 4 games of conquest or get a penalty or some other bs. Cant choose maps or even game mode.

Is this official or just your opinion? I know some people ask it but I haven't read something official.