pay to win

[Nobody]

how bad is the pay to win in this game (if its even bad to begin with)

[Nobody]

Messaggio originale di Jebu:

Messaggio originale di Nobody:

because losing to someone worse then you just because they put some money into the game is aids, at the end of the day most people like fair games, and being able to buy wins is boring.

the game has no mmr or sbmm system so its almost never fair. Has been like this since release. Doubt they will ever add mmr or sbmm system because the older players are in love with stomping bolt action new players. Gotta keep that 90% wr up someway

so it just makes my argument EVEN MORE BETTER. thanks man

[Nobody]

Messaggio originale di L4Dtrooper:

Messaggio originale di Nobody:

both teams have the same skill level, one team has f2p things while the other team has has full p2w items, team 2 wins 9/10

You did not read what i wrote, or don't understand or refuse to, that fine i get it.

So i am a p2w player i did flip the coin, but is rarely win 9/10 that simply not posible like i said, its the team you get stuck with and even with the p2w items you can't fix stupid teammates/or bots if they were human at all.

But hey maybe that is my infernal luck, because according to you i should auto win and matched with a real human team that not only plays proper but has p2w items 9/10 times.
Yeah would be a dream but no that's delusional, so realistically win rates are more between 2/5, p2w or f2p you cant fix stupid and bots.

okay ima walk you through how we look at games being p2w, lets just say 2 teams have the same skill level, one team has p2w other doesnt p2w team will win 9/10. JUST BECAUSE you dont win 9/10 doesnt mean the game is or isnt p2w thats what we call anecdotal evidence my man, i know thats a big word for someone who spent money on a mobile game so ill let you look it up :)

[Xorberax]

Chiming I’m with my two cents: I bought the premium account subscription and elite battle pass recently, and it’s not that p2w at all. The closest p2w aspect is probably the ability to bring in additional squads into a battle, but you’re still only able to play one at a time anyways, and they get wiped out as easily or as hard as any free squad IMO, all skill based. You do get to help your team out a little more by being able to bring in a few more squad types to cover more scenarios, but it’s still entirely skill based. The only thing that can feel a little bit cheaty is if you get matched against an enemy team with multiple premium accounts and they all bring in some powerful vehicles, so you may end up in a match where you take out one tank, and another one comes rolling in immediately afterwards because they have a reserve tank on standby. There are still active squad limits in the battles though, e.g. only one active fighter and bomber can be present at a time or whatever, so it’s not too bad.

The premium stuff feels less p2w and more pay to progress faster for research and upgrades, which wouldn’t really have an effect on your gameplay at all. I think the system is fine and mostly fair. I was buying premium expecting it to give me an OP advantage but it really doesn’t, and that’s good honestly.

[jeab]

Messaggio originale di Xorberax:

Chiming I’m with my two cents: I bought the premium account subscription and elite battle pass recently, and it’s not that p2w at all. The closest p2w aspect is probably the ability to bring in additional squads into a battle, but you’re still only able to play one at a time anyways, and they get wiped out as easily or as hard as any free squad IMO, all skill based. You do get to help your team out a little more by being able to bring in a few more squad types to cover more scenarios, but it’s still entirely skill based. The only thing that can feel a little bit cheaty is if you get matched against an enemy team with multiple premium accounts and they all bring in some powerful vehicles, so you may end up in a match where you take out one tank, and another one comes rolling in immediately afterwards because they have a reserve tank on standby. There are still active squad limits in the battles though, e.g. only one active fighter and bomber can be present at a time or whatever, so it’s not too bad.

The premium stuff feels less p2w and more pay to progress faster for research and upgrades, which wouldn’t really have an effect on your gameplay at all. I think the system is fine and mostly fair. I was buying premium expecting it to give me an OP advantage but it really doesn’t, and that’s good honestly.

Dunno the premium br2 thompson squad seems kinda pay to win. The free thompson is br 4-5 and the premium thompson squad is br2.

[SomeLokalHero]

Messaggio originale di Jebu:

Dunno the premium br2 thompson squad seems kinda pay to win. The free thompson is br 4-5 and the premium thompson squad is br2.

The Premium BR2 Thompson only has a 20-round mag, and with the high fire rate and higher vert recoil, doesn't really compete against the M3A1, which has higher mag capacity, lower recoil, but lower fire rate.

The free Thompson line starts at BR3.

[jeab]

Messaggio originale di SomeLokalHero:

Messaggio originale di Jebu:

Dunno the premium br2 thompson squad seems kinda pay to win. The free thompson is br 4-5 and the premium thompson squad is br2.

The Premium BR2 Thompson only has a 20-round mag, and with the high fire rate and higher vert recoil, doesn't really compete against the M3A1, which has higher mag capacity, lower recoil, but lower fire rate.

The free Thompson line starts at BR3.

Still some mobile game level p2w stuff when you can get this gun on lower br if you pay money

[Xorberax]

Messaggio originale di Jebu:

Messaggio originale di Xorberax:

Chiming I’m with my two cents: I bought the premium account subscription and elite battle pass recently, and it’s not that p2w at all. The closest p2w aspect is probably the ability to bring in additional squads into a battle, but you’re still only able to play one at a time anyways, and they get wiped out as easily or as hard as any free squad IMO, all skill based. You do get to help your team out a little more by being able to bring in a few more squad types to cover more scenarios, but it’s still entirely skill based. The only thing that can feel a little bit cheaty is if you get matched against an enemy team with multiple premium accounts and they all bring in some powerful vehicles, so you may end up in a match where you take out one tank, and another one comes rolling in immediately afterwards because they have a reserve tank on standby. There are still active squad limits in the battles though, e.g. only one active fighter and bomber can be present at a time or whatever, so it’s not too bad.

The premium stuff feels less p2w and more pay to progress faster for research and upgrades, which wouldn’t really have an effect on your gameplay at all. I think the system is fine and mostly fair. I was buying premium expecting it to give me an OP advantage but it really doesn’t, and that’s good honestly.

Dunno the premium br2 thompson squad seems kinda pay to win. The free thompson is br 4-5 and the premium thompson squad is br2.

Those premium squads are also crazy expensive relative to the rest of premium stuff, like $35-45. If someone is willing to shell out that kind of money for just a squad, then I think it’s sorta fair that it at least has some sort of advantage. I’d prefer to see those premium p2w squads removed though (if they truly do provide an unfair advantage). Those seem like an absurd price, and if they were cheaper, a lot more people would get them.

[MsSweatyPants]

Messaggio originale di L4Dtrooper:

Messaggio originale di Nobody:

both teams have the same skill level, one team has f2p things while the other team has has full p2w items, team 2 wins 9/10

You did not read what i wrote, or don't understand or refuse to, that fine i get it.

So i am a p2w player i did flip the coin, but is rarely win 9/10 that simply not posible like i said, its the team you get stuck with and even with the p2w items you can't fix stupid teammates/or bots if they were human at all.

But hey maybe that is my infernal luck, because according to you i should auto win and matched with a real human team that not only plays proper but has p2w items 9/10 times.
Yeah would be a dream but no that's delusional, so realistically win rates are more between 2/5, p2w or f2p you cant fix stupid and bots.

You paid to win and bought premium like a cheater and you can't win 9/10 games? I win 9/10 games as a free to play if I was premium I would basically never lose...
Premium options free players can never do: Switch to unique or situational squads without losing their essentials as options
Tank blown up by enemy tank? Just revenge bomb them and spawn another tank...
Plane gets shot down? Just use premium to pull a better air to air plane and shoot them down and suicide and pull another bomber plane...
If you have 3 or more vehicle slots and you aren't winning 9/10 matches you are just a garbage player PERIOD. Pay to win doesn't mean you buy wins you dense moron, it means you pay for an advantage other players don't have. Just like buying wall hacks or aimbot, not every cheat you buy guarantees a win but it DOES raise your chances...I leave lots of games because I don't like a ton of the game modes/maps so my win rate is around 80%, but if I was a sweaty try hard and actually played every match I am around 90% for SURE, only time I lose is usually to premium sweats who utilize stuff I CANNOT try or access because I don't want to support scummy criminal devs...shame on you, and I am glad you lose lots of matches and wasted your money on premium, rest in piss won't be missed...

[MsSweatyPants]

Messaggio originale di Xorberax:

Chiming I’m with my two cents: I bought the premium account subscription and elite battle pass recently, and it’s not that p2w at all. The closest p2w aspect is probably the ability to bring in additional squads into a battle, but you’re still only able to play one at a time anyways, and they get wiped out as easily or as hard as any free squad IMO, all skill based. You do get to help your team out a little more by being able to bring in a few more squad types to cover more scenarios, but it’s still entirely skill based. The only thing that can feel a little bit cheaty is if you get matched against an enemy team with multiple premium accounts and they all bring in some powerful vehicles, so you may end up in a match where you take out one tank, and another one comes rolling in immediately afterwards because they have a reserve tank on standby. There are still active squad limits in the battles though, e.g. only one active fighter and bomber can be present at a time or whatever, so it’s not too bad.

The premium stuff feels less p2w and more pay to progress faster for research and upgrades, which wouldn’t really have an effect on your gameplay at all. I think the system is fine and mostly fair. I was buying premium expecting it to give me an OP advantage but it really doesn’t, and that’s good honestly.

Pay to win examples: Premium can buy up to 8 vehicles to a battle depending on money spent, meaning they can sit in the grey zone and NEVER spawn infantry and prevent their own team from being able to play vehicles by hogging the limited slots.
Paratroopers/flamethrower tanks/rocket tanks/premium flamethrowers/premium assault squads (removed from the store)/M24/Churchill/Matilda are all great examples of pay to win stuff that DOES impact balance of a match, M24 is a 75mm with a closed hatch and fast tank that doesn't have a tech tree equivalent, Churchill has more armor than anything in its class and does NOT have a tech tree equivalent, Matilda is basically just a super heavy Crusader that cannot be frontally penetrated by low BR cannons, which sucks as it is BR2, the list goes ON AND ON, if anyone wants to argue at this point it is because they would rather cope and gaslight then accept the facts and stop supporting scummy devs...

[👑Philip II Of Makedon👑]

I mean you are put into people with the same BR, but I see Marshals in BR 1, thats some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[MsSweatyPants]

Messaggio originale di 👑Philip II Of Makedon👑:

I mean you are put into people with the same BR, but I see Marshals in BR 1, thats some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

You are NOT put into battles with the same BR, BR1 players go against BR3 players all the time, BR2 is ALWAYS up against BR1 players and even that power gap isn't fair, BR5 players with assault rifles and full auto rifles go against BR3 players with semi autos also, so no, the game actually uses the BR system to incentivize spending money on upgrades not actually making fair matches. If the devs wanted fair matches BR1-2, 3-4, 5 would be seperated because they are at least competitive. They WANT unbalanced bot farm stomp matches to give the whales an unfair advantage it is THAT simple

[L4Dtrooper]

@lnq22 (Banned)

I never said i did pay premium monthly (subscription) i did flip the coin on said p2w squads.
And i even wasn't personal nor toxic, I am just transparent and honest to admid i did buy stuff with gold.

seems your account was only made to troll not much there on games and such to begin with, just as your missing picture. typical discard account, just for spreading forum hate and trolling. Btw Nice chat Ban must had been worth it for ya.

[Zalzany]

Messaggio originale di lnq22:

Messaggio originale di 👑Philip II Of Makedon👑:

I mean you are put into people with the same BR, but I see Marshals in BR 1, thats some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

You are NOT put into battles with the same BR, BR1 players go against BR3 players all the time, BR2 is ALWAYS up against BR1 players and even that power gap isn't fair, BR5 players with assault rifles and full auto rifles go against BR3 players with semi autos also, so no, the game actually uses the BR system to incentivize spending money on upgrades not actually making fair matches. If the devs wanted fair matches BR1-2, 3-4, 5 would be seperated because they are at least competitive. They WANT unbalanced bot farm stomp matches to give the whales an unfair advantage it is THAT simple

The ♥♥♥♥ at BR1 I only get put against 1-2, and br2 isn't that impressive over br1 minus they got better antitank weapons lol

And you get full auto at br1, its called medics, and yes I can take down people with bolt who got full auto at br1. You just got not play CQC with them unless you desprate. They mid to long range units, but i use them all the time at cap points it works. I bet your that guy who sits like 100 feet from cap circle getting his whole unit picked off scarred to push, complaining the game is rigged while you bolt action is more accurate then the auto users lol

[Elkale]

the game is absolutely and undeniably pay 2 win, given the actual most strict definition of the term: you can buy with money improvements to your account that puts you at a clear advantage, and are not available if you dont spend said money, no matter the play time. whoever defines P2W as literally "pay and automatically win" is using a fallacious argument and can be ignored.

in this case, there are many blatant examples of p2w. i will give you some examples:

1) APCs bought with money are armored and carry mounted machine guns. in some cases (USA paid APC for ex) many machine guns pointed in various directions and handled by the ai gunners. The tech tree unlockable APcs are literal trucks with no armor and no mounted weapons.

2) premium (paid) USA squad thompson paratroopers all pack Thompson SMGS with 100 round drum mags, while the top tier Thompson you can unlock in the tech tree carry 50 rounds.

3) Japanese paid paratrooper squad carry Full Auto Type Hei MGs, with a bulletproof shield with 20 HP of health, when full vitality upgraded unlockable standard soldiers have 13,5 hp: meaning, the bullet shield of the gun has 1,5 times the health of the soldier, ADDED to the basic HP of the soldier itself. the tech tree unlockable type hei rifle dont have the shield, and casually its placed at BR5, while the paid para gun while being better in every metric, is placed at BR4, allowing to fight lower tiered enemies.

4) the flametrooper squad you can buy with money packs 4 flamethrowers. the max amount of flamethrowers you can equip in the tech tree squads is 2.

5) via paying money, you can unlock extra squad slots, up to 11 slots to be precise, allowing a much higher selection in combat, in particular spending money to get squad slots allows you to cycle vehicles, meaning you can go 3x tank squads or 3x plane squads and cycle one after another after another upon death, blocking the limited vehicle slots per faction from the rest of the team if you feel like. f2p players have only 4 squad slots: 3 for infantry and 1 for vehicles. if you loose your vehicle, you have to cycle at minimum 2 inf squads before you can use the vehicle again.

6) premium account gives you 2x the xp gained, stacking with premium squads extra gain for another 2x. meaning, a paid account earns 4 times the experience, silver and research points more than a f2p account. its understandable paid premium gives you some benefit, but hell, 4 times more seems a bit extreme.

there are many more examples, but those should suffice to give you an idea where the shots are coming from.

[WraithSquadronRebel]

Messaggio originale di Thbran:

i mean you can do fine with normal guns

ofc like every free to play game paying gets you better stuff but its not a win button

its not like pay for the best stuff and instantly get like 200 kills a match

but it is u can pay 40$ get maxed out guns, prerks soldgers, tanks ect.. the f u talking about,