RE4 OG was bad and this remake made it a good game and here's why

[Creus]

If i have to make a ranking of best main RE games, 4 would be last, and if we included filler games like outbreak or revelations, it'd still be last.

I really despise the OG because the story, story telling and world making was an absolute nonsensical crap. Some would say that it was because it is an older game, but that only causes limitations to technical points, they can control absolutely the story development, for example og RE1 and 2 are still my favorites to this day.

First big flaw: Character Introduction

It makes no sense that suddenly Leon is on Spain in a rescue mission when he was just a cop, his very first day to that fact.
Krauser was introduced in this game, but yet the game acts like you should already know this character. It wasn't until many years later that operation javier was explained.

In the remake this was vastly fixed with a simple cinematic scene where it explains that leon was forced into this for "knowing too much", and that krauser was his trainer/mayor during this time.

Second big flaw: Off character remarks

Leon is not a joker, this doesn't mean he is 100% serious all the time, but RE4 og makes him like he takes nothing serious, something amazingly fixed in this game where quirky comments are here and there but not on every single dialogue. From all Leon appearances, in RE4og it feels like a totally different character.

Ashley character on the OG was painful, and it absolutely makes no sense either, she's 20 and the daughter of the president. It is known that governors relative are trained on how to act under dangerous situation as they can always be a target.

It was in the very moment when I said "who tf wrote this?!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcfswgdlegQ&ab_channel=BledsoeGaming

This scene deserves someone fired, it's completely stupid, you're going to tell "leave me alone" to the only person that is rescuing you in a completely different country in a critical moment that is coughing blood? and not only that, she runs into a dead end hall and gets captured , and this is just an example of how ridiculous scenes can be in the og game. I'm so very glad this scene was deleted / reworked into the remake, where she starts to fall into control of the plaga and tries to kill leon, she gets scared because she doesn't wanna hurt the only person that is trying to help her. Ashley character overall was amazingly remade, she does know feel like a 20yo young adult that is daughter to the president of the USA.

Third big flaw: Leons journey and rescue execution

In both games Leon gets injected with the plaga, however, in the OG he acts like that's none of his business, and does not get affected at all or at least like the plaga is suposed to affect you. Something incredibly fixed in the remake, we can see how leon does suffer and gets under the influence of the plaga being in his body, not gameplay wise, but at least in the cinematics.

This is a rescue mission, it's obvious that the rescue target is going to be guarded and kept away, however in the original leon just fronts door everything. In the remake however somewhat of stealth gets included which is the only RE that absolutely makes sense to have.

In the original salazar and saddler talks to leon through his radio/communication device, like how tf however this rightfully doesnt happen, an salazar does have speakers all over his castle.

To that matter, the original has no "horror" features to it, it is very plain on that. Something fixed in the remake where garrador and regenerador were fully reworked into more scaries scenarios.

Fourth big flaw: Story support for the RE universe

Other than this being a biohazard issue with the plaga, it adds nothing to RE universe, and that wasn't even reason Leon went to spain, characters introduced are trashed and the only thing that comes out of here is Ada securing the ambar. I mean there's a reason for that, this game was remade multiple times in development, but it still feels like a completely different game, other entries like RE5 and 6 expand the universe in more and better ways.

This is just a couple of things of stupid or wrong stuff that are in the original.

I've seen people praise RE4 but say that RE5 and 6 are trash when they're literally the same game but different scenarios, in 5 it was an outbreak call to control and in 6 the story scales to a world wide biohazard war and it makes sense to have more action along the way.

To finish, The original was great to its time and it definetely set standards in the game industry because how fresh and new was, it is fine if you prefer the original, but by no means it is better than the remake, the original was bad, you're just nostalgic

[Skkooomer Lord]

I appreciate your opinion but my nostalgia and experiences of OG RE4 when it first came out will remain forever, I think you are wrong, I think the remake is equally as good.

[PyramidSwim]

All your reasons are stupid. How many examples you give that include story? Seriously I do not understand anyone judging RE4 on it's story un-ironically.

Stealth? Every game ever since 2010 has tacked on stealth no matter what kind of game it is. This is just a trend.

[Steel]

I'm not surprised someone who plays video games for their stories thinks RE4 is bad. That's an endorsement for RE4 actually.

[Kitt 🌟 Stargazer]

The original was perfectly fine and playable. The worst thing about it was that some of the visuals for it aged poorly. The QTE's mechanic didn't hold up well at all.

Even after playing this remake of RE4, I can still go back and enjoy the original I can guarantee you that. I'm sure most people could.

[Unidentifieded]

To each their own, but please the story isn't something you should take on a serious note mate.

The president's daughter gets kidnapped and he only send 1 guy to rescue her? Come on. LOL

If it was real, the US would have invaded that country like it had oil.

[Skkooomer Lord]

Originally posted by Unidentifieded:

To each their own, but please the story isn't something you should take on a serious note mate.

The president's daughter gets kidnapped and he only send 1 guy to rescue her? Come on. LOL

If it was real, the US would have invaded that country like it had oil.

Never knew anyone who took any of RE franchise's story seriously lol.

[PyramidSwim]

Originally posted by Unidentifieded:

To each their own, but please the story isn't something you should take on a serious note mate.

The president's daughter gets kidnapped and he only send 1 guy to rescue her? Come on. LOL

If it was real, the US would have invaded that country like it had oil.

When that one guy is Leon it starts to get a lot more realistic.

[MonkeyBone]

RE4 was so good that it brought new mechanics to gaming as a whole, mechanics that are still being used now. Opinions aside RE4 was revolutionary, something the remake can not claim.
As for your other points:
- it's the 4th mainline title in a series of games and (rightfully) assumes you've played the previous titles which answer basically every gripe you have regarding previous plots like Leon being an agent.
- Leon's sense of humor is a big reason why people like RE4 and is not out of place in a series that features jokes, comebacks, and action movie cheese like "Jill Sandwich" and "you want stars?" in fact any RE title that tries to remove stuff like that comes off as the black sheep of the series as it's so ingrained into the DNA of the series.
- Ashley is improved in the REmake, I don't think anyone will argue against that.
- Leon not only reacts to the plaga in his body in the OG, but they actually cut out a scene where he's its slave for a moment and almost kills Ada. Something you'd know if you actually played RE4
- Stealth has no place in RE, and can't be defended from a narrative point either as Ashley's role does not change if they know Leon is there or not. She's not in danger of being killed by them at all, she's their bomb. Again, something you'd know if you played these games.
-Lastly, horror is very, very, subjective. What scares one does not scare another. For example I think RE1 is a far scarier title than its REmake. I think Silent Hill 1 is the peak of horror that has never been surpassed in video games. Not everyone will agree with me on these points but that is infact the point. Making everything dark and blue doesn't equal horror to me at all.

To put simply, you have no idea what you're talking about. Both titles are good. So lets just enjoy them both.

[Creus]

Originally posted by PyramidSwim:

All your reasons are stupid. How many examples you give that include story? Seriously I do not understand anyone judging RE4 on it's story un-ironically.

Stealth? Every game ever since 2010 has tacked on stealth no matter what kind of game it is. This is just a trend.

How is character continuation and world making support not an story issue? like can you read? in the og you're just thrown into combat and go with it, something people judge RE5 and RE6

[Creus]

Originally posted by Steel:

I'm not surprised someone who plays video games for their stories thinks RE4 is bad. That's an endorsement for RE4 actually.

wow why would anyone play a cinematic and story based survival horror story for the story? I'm shocked.

RE has like 50 years of story telling that is pretty deep and scientific with the obvoius sci fi bit to it.

to that matter, gameplay was and is fine, remake is so much better, it really is nothing special about it than a 3rd person shooter, that to RE origins it is a downfall.

[PyramidSwim]

Originally posted by Creus:

Originally posted by PyramidSwim:

How is character continuation and world making support not an story issue? like can you read? in the og you're just thrown into combat and go with it, something people judge RE5 and RE6

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I'm not saying you didn't include examples. I'm wondering why you did. Resident Evil (all of them back to the original) story is a joke, worth keeping track of only to follow along with the joke.

What makes RE4 great is it has timeless gameplay. The story is not why anyone played RE4 20+ times and many hours of Mercenaries.

[Skkooomer Lord]

Originally posted by Creus:

Originally posted by Steel:

I'm not surprised someone who plays video games for their stories thinks RE4 is bad. That's an endorsement for RE4 actually.

wow why would anyone play a cinematic and story based survival horror story for the story? I'm shocked.

RE has like 50 years of story telling that is pretty deep and scientific with the obvoius sci fi bit to it.

to that matter, gameplay was and is fine, remake is so much better, it really is nothing special about it than a 3rd person shooter, that to RE origins it is a downfall.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Resident Evil, known in Japan as Biohazard,[a] is a Japanese horror game series and media franchise created by Capcom. It consists of survival horror, third-person shooter and first-person shooter games, with players typically surviving in environments filled with zombies and other creatures. The franchise has expanded into other media, including a live-action film series, animated films, television series, comic books, novels, audio dramas and merchandise. Resident Evil is the highest-grossing horror franchise.

The first Resident Evil was created by Shinji Mikami and Tokuro Fujiwara and released for the PlayStation in 1996.[1][2] It is credited for defining the survival horror genre and returning zombies to popular culture. With Resident Evil 4 (2005), the franchise shifted to more dynamic shooting action; it influenced the evolution of the survival horror and third-person genres, popularizing the "over-the-shoulder" third-person view.[3] Resident Evil 7: Biohazard (2017) moved the series to a first-person perspective. Capcom has released four Resident Evil remakes: Resident Evil (2002), Resident Evil 2 (2019), Resident Evil 3 (2020) and Resident Evil 4 (2023).

Resident Evil is Capcom's best-selling franchise and the best-selling horror game series, with 135 million copies sold worldwide as of December 2022. The first Resident Evil film was released in 2002, followed by five sequels and a 2021 reboot, Welcome to Raccoon City. The films have received mostly negative reviews, but have grossed more than $1.2 billion, making Resident Evil the second highest-grossing video game film series.












STORY???????

[Creus]

Originally posted by MonkeyBone:

RE4 was so good that it brought new mechanics to gaming as a whole, mechanics that are still being used now. Opinions aside RE4 was revolutionary, something the remake can not claim.
As for your other points:
- it's the 4th mainline title in a series of games and (rightfully) assumes you've played the previous titles which answer basically every gripe you have regarding previous plots like Leon being an agent.
- Leon's sense of humor is a big reason why people like RE4 and is not out of place in a series that features jokes, comebacks, and action movie cheese like "Jill Sandwich" and "you want stars?" in fact any RE title that tries to remove stuff like that comes off as the black sheep of the series as it's so ingrained into the DNA of the series.
- Ashley is improved in the REmake, I don't think anyone will argue against that.
- Leon not only reacts to the plaga in his body in the OG, but they actually cut out a scene where he's its slave for a moment and almost kills Ada. Something you'd know if you actually played RE4
- Stealth has no place in RE, and can't be defended from a narrative point either as Ashley's role does not change if they know Leon is there or not. She's not in danger of being killed by them at all, she's their bomb. Again, something you'd know if you played these games.
-Lastly, horror is very, very, subjective. What scares one does not scare another. For example I think RE1 is a far scarier title than its REmake. I think Silent Hill 1 is the peak of horror that has never been surpassed in video games. Not everyone will agree with me on these points but that is infact the point. Making everything dark and blue doesn't equal horror to me at all.

To put simply, you have no idea what you're talking about. Both titles are good. So lets just enjoy them both.

I've played every single RE game, mainline or not, watched the movies, read the mangas, and novels and backstory to spencer days, like how the virus T has its origin on ebola.

- RE does have cheesy and quirky remarks, and have characters like luis serra to support on that, and other main characters too, however Leon in the original is made a fool, he is (as a character) not this contant on cheesy jokes at all, if people like it that's fine, it doesn't mean it's not an off character writing.
- Stealth on other RE games does not make sense yes, however in RE4 it does, it is an infiltration and rescue mission, it is really ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stupid to just front door a recue mission.
-One thing is horror being subjective, and one thing is having zero horror features to a survival horror game.

Simply put, I aboslutely know what I'm talking about.

Both game can be enjoyed, yes, I still play RE1 in the original ps1 and the ds port that is basically intact. Og is still better? absolutely not. the best RE? deadass no

[Creus]

Originally posted by Something Went Wrong:

Originally posted by Creus:

wow why would anyone play a cinematic and story based survival horror story for the story? I'm shocked.

RE has like 50 years of story telling that is pretty deep and scientific with the obvoius sci fi bit to it.

to that matter, gameplay was and is fine, remake is so much better, it really is nothing special about it than a 3rd person shooter, that to RE origins it is a downfall.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Resident Evil, known in Japan as Biohazard,[a] is a Japanese horror game series and media franchise created by Capcom. It consists of survival horror, third-person shooter and first-person shooter games, with players typically surviving in environments filled with zombies and other creatures. The franchise has expanded into other media, including a live-action film series, animated films, television series, comic books, novels, audio dramas and merchandise. Resident Evil is the highest-grossing horror franchise.

The first Resident Evil was created by Shinji Mikami and Tokuro Fujiwara and released for the PlayStation in 1996.[1][2] It is credited for defining the survival horror genre and returning zombies to popular culture. With Resident Evil 4 (2005), the franchise shifted to more dynamic shooting action; it influenced the evolution of the survival horror and third-person genres, popularizing the "over-the-shoulder" third-person view.[3] Resident Evil 7: Biohazard (2017) moved the series to a first-person perspective. Capcom has released four Resident Evil remakes: Resident Evil (2002), Resident Evil 2 (2019), Resident Evil 3 (2020) and Resident Evil 4 (2023).

Resident Evil is Capcom's best-selling franchise and the best-selling horror game series, with 135 million copies sold worldwide as of December 2022. The first Resident Evil film was released in 2002, followed by five sequels and a 2021 reboot, Welcome to Raccoon City. The films have received mostly negative reviews, but have grossed more than $1.2 billion, making Resident Evil the second highest-grossing video game film series.












STORY???????

Might be a language barrier here, I don't claim it is a story game like lets say, Life is Strange or Monkey Island.

What I'm trying to say, is that the story is absolutely important in RE games, with multiple connections across all games that develops in many different ways, like in RE8 having ties with RE1 and even previously to that.

Like if you just enjoy the game and skip the scenes, that's fine, but there's no way y'all gonna say some crap like the story is not a main point across all releases

[Tenshu]

Originally posted by Creus:

First big flaw: Character Introduction

It makes no sense that suddenly Leon is on Spain in a rescue mission when he was just a cop, his very first day to that fact.
Krauser was introduced in this game, but yet the game acts like you should already know this character. It wasn't until many years later that operation javier was explained.

In the remake this was vastly fixed with a simple cinematic scene where it explains that leon was forced into this for "knowing too much", and that krauser was his trainer/mayor during this time.

Stopped reading after this as I know the rest will continue this stupid take.
You realize the remake and the original are in parity when it comes to this introduction right? Even before Operation Javier was a thing in lore, you are told of how Leon became an agent from the original Resident Evil 3 epilogue files you unlock, he did it to protect Sherry...

Edit: Make no mistake I feel the original is a tad bit overrated, it's no "masterpiece". But if you're gonna tear it down, know what you're talking about, opinion or otherwise.