Where should I use the 15 saves for Pro S+?

[Dark-Buddha]

I mean, what parts did you think were the most difficult / costly to your run time + resource-wise? (saving right before them would allow more efficient practice)

[TyresTyco]

Depends on what strats you use imho. If using unlimited ammo sweeper.. village part is the most important and hardest. First save after knife tutorial ( dying against the parry guy is painful tho.. if you dont ahve the guts to face him.. just ignore him and move ), before Lago... before gigante... before cabin... (I saved after cabin because of bella sisters but wasnt necessary since the flashbang+knife+granade+riotgun strat is pretty consistent.. but having to repeat the cabin fight is aids.

After Bella sisters .. the hardest part is done. Mendez shouldnt be a problem. You have to know with what sections you struggle. Arriving at castle I saved. Next one before double garrador fight. Since castle is a joke with unlimited ammo sweeper + ashley armor there is no need to save. After Verdugo.. Another one before Krauser 1 .. then before Ramon.

Another save before Krauser 2 (If you dont use door glitch.. surely save before trash bridge/wreckingball. Then before Saddler. Thats it. Had one save left at the end. It's ofc a different situation if you don't use all the bonus stuff. Far far far more stressful. I actually dunno if I have the guts to do it.

[Dark-Buddha]

Is it guts or patience.

What's the flashbang sister strat?

And people actually use shotguns in the Pro S+ run?

[Commander Hitman2b]

pretty end of all chapter if your not sure to kill a boss you can save there and not save at exemple chapter 16 ( at that point grab a rocket launcher and kill saddler like that

[Dark-Buddha]

Originally posted by Commander Hitman2b:

pretty end of all chapter if your not sure to kill a boss you can save there and not save at exemple chapter 16 ( at that point grab a rocket launcher and kill saddler like that

This is why I'm considering the Handcannon run first... infinite time means farming all the loot. Which i want to do as a challenge anyway. And then having the Handcannon helps with bosses like Krauser/Saddler/Ramon/Verdugo.

[TyresTyco]

Originally posted by Dark-Buddha:

Is it guts or patience.

What's the flashbang sister strat?

And people actually use shotguns in the Pro S+ run?

There are 3 consistent ways. Flashbang once, knife attack right sister, back up, throw granade.. shot riot gun or BAR into the face while she is lying down. That should be enough to kill her. Run out.. flashbang.. try to hit all the guys.. run to door and get out.

Ooooor Flashbang once. Knife BOTH of them (you have enough time), granade... kill one of them while they are floored. Another flashbang.. knife the last remaining sister.. shoot until dead. Clear arena or throw another flash.. run to door .. end.

Ooooor Flashbang once, knife both of them.. granade.. shoot.. go out.. kite around arena.. and shoot them all while avoiding getting hit. The area is quite good to kite them around.

The most important thing is having at least one flash. And yes for Bella sisters and mendez I actually used the riotgun. Pretty good dmg and is a nice get out of my sight gun.

[Wesst]

Chapters 5, 6, and 7 are the hardest chapters in the game on Professional mode, bar none. Keep a hand of Flash Grenades and get the recipe from Merchant (I believe you get it after leaving the Church with Ashley after Chapter 5). Whatever resources you get before those chapters, you must absolutely save them for those three because those chapters have horde segments and you won't make it through them without a huge surplus of resources.

The most consistent way to use the saves would be to simply use them after you end every chapter. It's also nail-biting too because you can easily die to the chapter boss at the end and have to do it all over again, but it's the most safest way to do it. For the LAST save, use it on the typewriter before you tackle the base before the sanctuary where Ashley is taken and Ada saves you (Chapter 15). Chapter 16 is relatively short and just sell whatever you've got to the Merchant before you fight Saddler for a Rocket Launcher and shoot it at him. Keep one or two guns to shoot him with in the second phase.

ABSOLUTELY do not try to fight Saddler legit. He combos his attacks on Professional mode and is unfair overall.

Other than that, if you gotta use bonus weapons or accessories, then do it.

[Dark-Buddha]

Originally posted by Wesst:

The most consistent way to use the saves would be to simply use them after you end every chapter. It's also nail-biting too because you can easily die to the chapter boss at the end and have to do it all over again, but it's the most safest way to do it.

Wouldn't it be smarter to save right before the boss or hardest section of each chapter? (some chapters are hard all the way through, but other than those ones).

[Dank Sidious]

Originally posted by Dark-Buddha:

Is it guts or patience.

What's the flashbang sister strat?

And people actually use shotguns in the Pro S+ run?

You get a free one and it's useful before you get infinite ammo.

Originally posted by Dark-Buddha:

Originally posted by Wesst:

The most consistent way to use the saves would be to simply use them after you end every chapter. It's also nail-biting too because you can easily die to the chapter boss at the end and have to do it all over again, but it's the most safest way to do it.

Wouldn't it be smarter to save right before the boss or hardest section of each chapter? (some chapters are hard all the way through, but other than those ones).

Also you are right saving only at chapter end screens is a horrible idea.

[Platapoop]

Here's where I would saved.
1. Chapter 2 before dynamite village (when you get all your gear back)
2. Chapter 3 before del lago (or before fish farm)
3?. Chapter 5 before cabin siege IF you don't trust your cabin skills.
4. Chapter 6 after cabin siege
5. Chapter 6 before mendez or Chapter 7 after mendez
6. Chapter 7 before waterhall
7. Chapter 8 before battlements
8. Chapter 10 before novis, use rocket launcher on verdugo to make that fight easy
9. Chapter 11 first merchant
10. Chapter 12 first merchant
If you don't trust your golden egg aim, then save again before salazar
11. Chapter 13 first merchant if you didn't save before salazar
12. Chapter 14 before krauser (i use a RL so you can skip a save if you do too. Can buy killer7 for phase 1 and/or 2 and sell it later). I wouldn't consider wrecking ball hard since you can skip it with 2 heavy grenades.
13. Chapter 15 first merchant
14. Chapter 15, last merchant (after mike dies). (use RL on saddler)

15th save can be wherever you want
This is done with no unlocks, so if you think it will be easier for you once you get inf tommy gun or handcannon, you can frontload your saves.

Also IMO, bolt action is MVP. Level 5 will 3 shot bella sisters, gigantes are perma stunned, red dudes die to two hits with exclusive, krauser ♥♥♥♥♥ off in phase 1 and 2 after like 3 hits each.

[redeyedraven]

Originally posted by Dark-Buddha:

And people actually use shotguns in the Pro S+ run?

Shotguns stagger enemies very consistently so they're great for bypassing.

[Wesst]

Originally posted by Dark-Buddha:

Originally posted by Wesst:

The most consistent way to use the saves would be to simply use them after you end every chapter. It's also nail-biting too because you can easily die to the chapter boss at the end and have to do it all over again, but it's the most safest way to do it.

Wouldn't it be smarter to save right before the boss or hardest section of each chapter? (some chapters are hard all the way through, but other than those ones).

I simply say that it's best to save at every end of the chapter because anything that goes wrong in a Professional run can happen at any point of that chapter and it will set you back big time.

What happens if you die before you get to the chapter boss? Or before the hardest section?You could get destroyed at the catapult section in Chapter 7 or when fighting the Garrador before you get to the Water Hall and you'd have to do a part of Chapter 6 and the entire Chapter 7 all over again if you die (if you didn't save at the end of Chapter 6).

Just because there are harder sections on certain chapters, doesn't mean the other parts won't test you. You can easily die before you even get to the boss or the toughest part of that chapter on Professional.

There are definitely other ways to use the saves, don't get me wrong. This is just how I did it which helped me pace myself so I didn't go insane. It took me about two days to beat Professional with an S+ rank.

[wilky]

I did a Chicago Sweeper/Ashley Armor S+ run earlier, and my save recommendations would be like this (more front-loaded than the above poster's).

1.) early Ch 2, after regaining my gear before the large Valley combat
2.) mid Ch 3, at the Church or before Fish Farm
3.) late Ch 3, after Fish Farm before Del Lago
4.) late Ch 4, before Gigante
5.) late Ch 5, at the Farm before Cabin
6.) early Ch 6, before Bella Sisters
7.) late Ch 6, before Mendez
8.) early Ch 7, before Water Hall (or before the Garrador upon fully upgrading the Sweeper)
9.) late Ch 9, after the armoraga room, before the bridge/grenade skip room
10.) mid Ch 10, before the 2x Garrador room or before Verdugo
11.) late Ch 11, before mine carts or before Krauser
12.) late Ch 12, before Salazar
13.) late Ch 13, merchant before regenerators, in case something goes wrong
14.) late Ch 14, before or during Krauser fight (there is a second Pro-only typewriter)
15.) Ch 16, before Saddler

Also, I would say the infinite Chicago Sweeper is sufficient to kill most mid-late bosses (e.g., freeze & shoot Verdugo, golden egg & shoot Salazar, parry & shoot Krauser). I still purchased a rocket for Saddler, but I ended up with tons of extra cash at the end of my run. Therefore, I would probably recommend to purchase a rocket at the start of Ch 11 and use it to blow up the "TNT" wall (bypassing the chainsaw encounter). Don't forget to save 4x Heavy Grenades for the wrecking ball/AA turret skips in Ch 14/15 also. These strategies make the back half of the run easier than the front half.

[Dank Sidious]

Originally posted by wilky:

I did a Chicago Sweeper/Ashley Armor S+ run earlier, and my save recommendations would be like this (more front-loaded than the above poster's).

1.) early Ch 2, after regaining my gear before the large Valley combat
2.) mid Ch 3, at the Church or before Fish Farm
3.) late Ch 3, after Fish Farm before Del Lago
4.) late Ch 4, before Gigante
5.) late Ch 5, at the Farm before Cabin
6.) early Ch 6, before Bella Sisters
7.) late Ch 6, before Mendez
8.) early Ch 7, before Water Hall (or before the Garrador upon fully upgrading the Sweeper)
9.) late Ch 9, after the armoraga room, before the bridge/grenade skip room
10.) mid Ch 10, before the 2x Garrador room or before Verdugo
11.) late Ch 11, before mine carts or before Krauser
12.) late Ch 12, before Salazar
13.) late Ch 13, merchant before regenerators, in case something goes wrong
14.) late Ch 14, before or during Krauser fight (there is a second Pro-only typewriter)
15.) Ch 16, before Saddler

Also, I would say the infinite Chicago Sweeper is sufficient to kill most mid-late bosses (e.g., freeze & shoot Verdugo, golden egg & shoot Salazar, parry & shoot Krauser). I still purchased a rocket for Saddler, but I ended up with tons of extra cash at the end of my run. Therefore, I would probably recommend to purchase a rocket at the start of Ch 11 and use it to blow up the "TNT" wall (bypassing the chainsaw encounter). Don't forget to save 4x Heavy Grenades for the wrecking ball/AA turret skips in Ch 14/15 also. These strategies make the back half of the run easier than the front half.

I would try to learn scope bypass glitch skip. So you can save time in the castle by skipping garrador and going directly into water hall and same thing with the section that leads to the wrecking ball (including wrecking ball section itself)

Saving before saddler is a waste of a save slot. The game is over by that point. All you need for saddler is to sell any of your upgraded weapons to get a rocket launcher and then just dodge in the second segment until ada gives you her rocket launcher.

Better final save point is next to the merchant after specimen storage. So you can attempt this skip (around 3:00 mark, ignore the start of the video, that part doesn't work on professional anyway):

https://youtu.be/uq7GfMkZL4M?t=180

without fear of losing your run.

I would also not save before salazar because he's so easy with the golden egg. Instead save on the island before the first section so you can attempt the JJ turret skip as many times as you need.

https://youtu.be/TuuCAx6YS94

[zerogear5]

before bosses and right after sections you 100% do not want to repeat. so 5ish saves before bosses and 10 checkpoint saves. remember last boss you can just sell like all your stuff and rocket launcher it.