Salazar is the most forgettable character in the remake

[7NGEL]

Easiest boss fight in the game, lack of salazar dialogue, no salazar radio transmissions, the lack of meaning behind his character, the terrible rework of his model. Even in the original he wasn't a massive character but in this one it felt like he had 0 depth. Games great but that's probably my biggest complaint bc salazar was my favorite character from the original.

[**DeiRowtag]

His boss theme is amazing tho

[Gerfreckle]

Capcom's reluctant to fully commit to the wackiness and cheesiness of the original was the main problem here; they got a more "realistic" character in exchange for all of the humour, charm and memorability being gone.

[7NGEL]

Originally posted by Gerfreckle:

Capcom's reluctant to fully commit to the wackiness and cheesiness of the original was the main problem here; they got a more "realistic" character in exchange for all of the humour, charm and memorability being gone.

couldnt of said it better myself

[twiggy]

it made no sense that salazar could hack your radio transmission in the original and anyway they just had cringey dialogue. in the remake however you are able to learn his motivation and backstory in the readable files you find

[Big Perm]

Originally posted by Gerfreckle:

Capcom's reluctant to fully commit to the wackiness and cheesiness of the original was the main problem here; they got a more "realistic" character in exchange for all of the humour, charm and memorability being gone.

It's takes like this that make me wish there was a world where the RE4 Remake was the original RE4 instead, so we can see if everybody still has the same complaints.

People always talk about everything as if it's binary. It's either charming or it's not, it's either humorous or it's not. I'd agree the humor is toned down here but there is plenty of memorability and charm here.

[Gerfreckle]

Originally posted by Big Perm:

I'd agree the humor is toned down here but there is plenty of memorability and charm here.

I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree. To me the remake doesn't hold a candle to the original in terms of humour and charm. The game is excellent in a dozen other ways and surpasses the original in some, but definitely not in this way, and in my opinion that was wasted potential but not unexpected.

[Big Perm]

Originally posted by Gerfreckle:

Originally posted by Big Perm:

I'd agree the humor is toned down here but there is plenty of memorability and charm here.

I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree. To me the remake doesn't hold a candle to the original in terms of humour and charm. The game is excellent in a dozen other ways and surpasses the original in some, but definitely not in this way, and in my opinion that was wasted potential but not unexpected.

The Regeneradors are way more dangerous and the initial one that chases you down was not something I was expecting. I'd say thats fairly memorable.

The Krauser fight in place of the original QTE I think is way more memorable than the original.

Ashley and Leon have great banter compared to the original, especially with a lot of the interactions still being somewhat cheesy. People seem to completely ignore that cheese in favor of different types of cheese from the original. At least Ashley has "a" personality in this version of the game.

The Minecart ride I also think is way more memorable in this game than the original. There it felt like kind of a slog with it just being Point A --> Point B. Stop and kill a bunch of Ganados. Point B --> Point C. Stop and kill a bunch of Ganados etc.

There's got to be hundreds of examples or more memorable experiences than the original, as well as tons of filler content and areas in the original that are replaced with much better content that makes sense with the theme.

I think most people just go "it's not the same as the original so therefore it's not good", when both of them can, and were absolutely good in their own rights.

[Gerfreckle]

Originally posted by Big Perm:

Originally posted by Gerfreckle:

I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree. To me the remake doesn't hold a candle to the original in terms of humour and charm. The game is excellent in a dozen other ways and surpasses the original in some, but definitely not in this way, and in my opinion that was wasted potential but not unexpected.

The Regeneradors are way more dangerous and the initial one that chases you down was not something I was expecting. I'd say thats fairly memorable.

The Krauser fight in place of the original QTE I think is way more memorable than the original.

Ashley and Leon have great banter compared to the original, especially with a lot of the interactions still being somewhat cheesy. People seem to completely ignore that cheese in favor of different types of cheese from the original. At least Ashley has "a" personality in this version of the game.

The Minecart ride I also think is way more memorable in this game than the original. There it felt like kind of a slog with it just being Point A --> Point B. Stop and kill a bunch of Ganados. Point B --> Point C. Stop and kill a bunch of Ganados etc.

There's got to be hundreds of examples or more memorable experiences than the original, as well as tons of filler content and areas in the original that are replaced with much better content that makes sense with the theme.

I think most people just go "it's not the same as the original so therefore it's not good", when both of them can, and were absolutely good in their own rights.

I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here. I JUST said I think the remake was great and did a lot of really good things and improved the original in some ways. I'm not disagreeing with you there. But I'm not going to change my mind on the issue of tone and humour, which I firmly believe was done better in the original. Just accept that that's what I believe.

[Star Rain]

man i started tooling around with the Wii Edition just to refresh my memory and this is indeed a million times better, that old crap is 30fps Yuck, super simplistic models and lighting, gross, hmm okay i do like that Ash doesnt stand so timid and you can try and look up her skirt but meh i'll live!

[peep]

But they made Sadler feel way more like the final boss this time. In the OG Salazar felt like the final boss due to how much screen time he got.

[Big Perm]

Originally posted by Gerfreckle:

Originally posted by Big Perm:

The Regeneradors are way more dangerous and the initial one that chases you down was not something I was expecting. I'd say thats fairly memorable.

The Krauser fight in place of the original QTE I think is way more memorable than the original.

Ashley and Leon have great banter compared to the original, especially with a lot of the interactions still being somewhat cheesy. People seem to completely ignore that cheese in favor of different types of cheese from the original. At least Ashley has "a" personality in this version of the game.

The Minecart ride I also think is way more memorable in this game than the original. There it felt like kind of a slog with it just being Point A --> Point B. Stop and kill a bunch of Ganados. Point B --> Point C. Stop and kill a bunch of Ganados etc.

There's got to be hundreds of examples or more memorable experiences than the original, as well as tons of filler content and areas in the original that are replaced with much better content that makes sense with the theme.

I think most people just go "it's not the same as the original so therefore it's not good", when both of them can, and were absolutely good in their own rights.

I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here. I JUST said I think the remake was great and did a lot of really good things and improved the original in some ways. I'm not disagreeing with you there. But I'm not going to change my mind on the issue of tone and humour, which I firmly believe was done better in the original. Just accept that that's what I believe.

Nobody's going to change each others argument. Just pointing out some examples for the rest of the audience.

[twiggy]

Originally posted by 이동혁:

But they made Sadler feel way more like the final boss this time. In the OG Salazar felt like the final boss due to how much screen time he got.

also his fight in the original was lame af, he just stood there stuck to the wall, now he actually moves around and has a bunch of different attacks

[7NGEL]

Originally posted by twiggy:

Originally posted by 이동혁:

But they made Sadler feel way more like the final boss this time. In the OG Salazar felt like the final boss due to how much screen time he got.

also his fight in the original was lame af, he just stood there stuck to the wall, now he actually moves around and has a bunch of different attacks

Yes but I just cheesed him because I stood behind a pillar and he could never hit me. The original was harder.

[Flan]

They even took out his iconic last words

"My one regret, was putting a loaded rocket launcher right outside my boss room"

[Big Perm]

Originally posted by Seven:

Originally posted by twiggy:

also his fight in the original was lame af, he just stood there stuck to the wall, now he actually moves around and has a bunch of different attacks

Yes but I just cheesed him because I stood behind a pillar and he could never hit me. The original was harder.

I'm curious what you did in the original haha. There's a safe spot you can just sit on and it's in the most obvious spot for me to stand so I discovered it on the very first attempt at this boss.

New boss is way better