Can't beat Professional on a New Game to save my life.

[Raster]

I have the Chicago Sweeper and the Chicken Hat. I can reliably do the door skips. I have guides I follow to get infinite ammo by Chapter 7 so I can run for that S+ rank and get the Cat Ears. I've got 60 hours on the game and 38 years of gaming experience under my belt.

And I can't get out of the Pueblo fight in Professional, even with all of that. There's no reliable guide for running from enemies and herding them, so I have to fight. I watch what other people do to survive this fight. My aim is fine. I stick and move. I do everything you're supposed to do, and I just can't survive.

It's definitely a skill issue. I'm ready to pay $5 for that content, now.

[TyresTyco]

Originally posted by Raster:

For folks saying to skip Savage Mutt: I need to do Savage Mutt (only beat it once on Pro, can't repeat it) to get the Spinels for the exclusive upgrade for the Sweeper to make the rest of the game doable. I am nowhere near good enough to attempt this as a clean run without bonus weapons. I can still get an S+, and did this for Hardcore, using the Sweeper with infinite ammo to carry me most of the way. If I don't do this, I have to do Water Hall without a crutch, which is not technically possible for me.

From what I'm seeing, Professional in re4 is like Village of Shadows: tuned to only be reasonable on NG+++++. Going in fresh, even trying to cheese it with bonus weapons and bonus costumes with perks, is meant to only be done by a few people. If you don't take the exact correct upgrades that the game expects you to take, you can't win. There is only one way to play it, so I don't know how the guy who made this guide I'm using managed it.

I would say the gauntlet starting from the dog miniboss up to the bella sisters is brutal on pro for S+ runs. Because of the the save points I have to keep doing the gigante fight if I die to the cow brute in the village and the dog.. it's absolutely brutal and the hardest part of the game by a far far mile.

I have the problem that I dunno for what I should use my granades. I know I need a couple for the sisters.. for the cabin and the dog .. damn. While having low ammo.

I thought about skipping the dog but .. but that would mean I would have to do the water room without the sweeper.. which probably is brutal too.

Decisions over decisions.

[Raster]

Originally posted by Devil Breaker:

Originally posted by Raster:

For folks saying to skip Savage Mutt: I need to do Savage Mutt (only beat it once on Pro, can't repeat it) to get the Spinels for the exclusive upgrade for the Sweeper to make the rest of the game doable. I am nowhere near good enough to attempt this as a clean run without bonus weapons. I can still get an S+, and did this for Hardcore, using the Sweeper with infinite ammo to carry me most of the way. If I don't do this, I have to do Water Hall without a crutch, which is not technically possible for me.

From what I'm seeing, Professional in re4 is like Village of Shadows: tuned to only be reasonable on NG+++++. Going in fresh, even trying to cheese it with bonus weapons and bonus costumes with perks, is meant to only be done by a few people. If you don't take the exact correct upgrades that the game expects you to take, you can't win. There is only one way to play it, so I don't know how the guy who made this guide I'm using managed it.

Thats a skill issue. I did a fresh save. The run to Del Lago and the cabin fight were the only hard parts. I've used red 9, w-870, and SR rifle (bought for gigante, sisters, and mendez fights, then sold for stingray, and also sold w-870 for riot gun). I upgraded only the red 9 until the castle. From there, the game was easy. All my deaths prior to Del Lago were because I wasn't using a shotgun enough. I had to redo the cabin fight like 10 times, but I managed it (also, I wasn't using the shotgun enough). Starting from the castle, I only died three times: in the room where you meet the first red zealot, when you first meet the spider-plaga that empowers zealots (I really underestimated them, lol), and in the first Krauser fight. Some say that two Garradors are hard, but from my experience, you just run around and they kill everyone and stagger themselves, and you occasionally shoot them with a sniper for x3 damage. I took my time, looted a lot of treasure, did every request except those where you need to kill elite enemies and with the egg in Salazar's throne room, and finished the game in 05:02:56. Only did three skips: the grenade for zealot that lowers the bridge in the red room (Idk how it's called, my game is not in english), one grenade for wrecking ball to skip the fight with many spider-plagas and a grenade to destroy the AA gun.

If you read the rest of the thread, I said at least twice that I acknowledge that it's a skill issue, and I just can't do it. Not everyone is special. Not everyone is capable of success. Some of us are garbage.

[Lunar Shower]

Originally posted by Raster:

I have the Chicago Sweeper and the Chicken Hat. I can reliably do the door skips. I have guides I follow to get infinite ammo by Chapter 7 so I can run for that S+ rank and get the Cat Ears. I've got 60 hours on the game and 38 years of gaming experience under my belt.

And I can't get out of the Pueblo fight in Professional, even with all of that. There's no reliable guide for running from enemies and herding them, so I have to fight. I watch what other people do to survive this fight. My aim is fine. I stick and move. I do everything you're supposed to do, and I just can't survive.

It's definitely a skill issue. I'm ready to pay $5 for that content, now.

Well, if it helps any, you can just try to survive instead of killing the required enemies to get through that part. Might be easier in some ways especially if you abuse the ladders a lot. In general, if there WERE to be any advice I'd have, its to pick up both the guaranteed grenades ASAP, block the window in the bottom of the shotgun house with the bookshelf, then kinda just loop around the couple ladders around the shotgun house, toss the grenades if theres a grouping of enemies, 2-3 at the very least, and shotgun anything else that comes your way. Its the speediest option, and you should get replenished enough on shotgun ammo as you go along, plus having the typewriter will be a huge boon just for stunning enemies and some extra damage up to the point you do get infinite ammo for it.

All in all, its without a doubt, pretty tough, especially if you've become reliant on parries and in particular the imperfect parry/deflect. Just gotta stay in constant motion, and make sure you kill people with the shotgun when you do shoot it. Grenades should definitely help you get to the required kills to end the event (15 I think?), and at most, if you get a lucky rng drop, you can get 3 in the village section, though there are 2 guaranteed ones.

[Devil Breaker]

Originally posted by Raster:

Originally posted by Devil Breaker:

Thats a skill issue. I did a fresh save. The run to Del Lago and the cabin fight were the only hard parts. I've used red 9, w-870, and SR rifle (bought for gigante, sisters, and mendez fights, then sold for stingray, and also sold w-870 for riot gun). I upgraded only the red 9 until the castle. From there, the game was easy. All my deaths prior to Del Lago were because I wasn't using a shotgun enough. I had to redo the cabin fight like 10 times, but I managed it (also, I wasn't using the shotgun enough). Starting from the castle, I only died three times: in the room where you meet the first red zealot, when you first meet the spider-plaga that empowers zealots (I really underestimated them, lol), and in the first Krauser fight. Some say that two Garradors are hard, but from my experience, you just run around and they kill everyone and stagger themselves, and you occasionally shoot them with a sniper for x3 damage. I took my time, looted a lot of treasure, did every request except those where you need to kill elite enemies and with the egg in Salazar's throne room, and finished the game in 05:02:56. Only did three skips: the grenade for zealot that lowers the bridge in the red room (Idk how it's called, my game is not in english), one grenade for wrecking ball to skip the fight with many spider-plagas and a grenade to destroy the AA gun.

If you read the rest of the thread, I said at least twice that I acknowledge that it's a skill issue, and I just can't do it. Not everyone is special. Not everyone is capable of success. Some of us are garbage.

But I am garbage too. It was my first attempt for S or S+ in any RE game. I was restarting run to del lago like 30 times, then was stuck at the cabing for an hour or 2 and then game became a breeze and I pulled through.

[Xao]

You gotta keep trying. I got my S+ on professional without using the chicago sweeper. I did use deluxe items such as the Classic Attache Case, handgun ammo charm, and green herb charm. I also had the fox tail equipped.

For the first village encounter, if you can't kill them fast enough or don't have the confidence, wait it out. You can try luring them to the side of the house where you get the shotgun (the area with two ladders). Keep kicking down the ladders until time runs out. What you should try to do is get the shotgun and jump out the window, then make your way to that broken house near the gate that leads to Mendez's house. Fight them there until the chainsaw guy comes, once he is close, jump over the fence near the starting entrance and make your back to the shotgun house by climbing one of the two ladders. Use the shotgun to clear a path, and knife anything that grabs you.

[Raster]

Originally posted by Devil Breaker:

Originally posted by Raster:

If you read the rest of the thread, I said at least twice that I acknowledge that it's a skill issue, and I just can't do it. Not everyone is special. Not everyone is capable of success. Some of us are garbage.

But I am garbage too. It was my first attempt for S or S+ in any RE game. I was restarting run to del lago like 30 times, then was stuck at the cabing for an hour or 2 and then game became a breeze and I pulled through.

If you can do that, you're not garbage. Even if you are, I'm far worse. I've been at this long enough to know when something isn't possible for me.

It's absolutely a skill issue. The problem isn't that I'm constantly experiencing failure. It's that I am a failure, and I'm not going to magically become good at this game, or anything else, just by putting in effort. There's something fundamentally wrong with me if I can't execute a simple strategy to beat simple AI that is designed to walk toward me at all times.

[Big Perm]

Originally posted by Raster:

For folks saying to skip Savage Mutt: I need to do Savage Mutt (only beat it once on Pro, can't repeat it) to get the Spinels for the exclusive upgrade for the Sweeper to make the rest of the game doable. I am nowhere near good enough to attempt this as a clean run without bonus weapons. I can still get an S+, and did this for Hardcore, using the Sweeper with infinite ammo to carry me most of the way. If I don't do this, I have to do Water Hall without a crutch, which is not technically possible for me.

I'm confused. You need the spinels for the sweeper? Is there some attachment or something extra I'm missing here that you need spinels for? You should have the Chicago typewriter in your storage box?

If you did need spinels, did you even get enough before the cabin? Kind of sounds like you're not getting anything but a loss of flash bangs and time, for spinels that you could get later.

What am I missing here?

[Devil Breaker]

Originally posted by Big Perm:

Originally posted by Raster:

For folks saying to skip Savage Mutt: I need to do Savage Mutt (only beat it once on Pro, can't repeat it) to get the Spinels for the exclusive upgrade for the Sweeper to make the rest of the game doable. I am nowhere near good enough to attempt this as a clean run without bonus weapons. I can still get an S+, and did this for Hardcore, using the Sweeper with infinite ammo to carry me most of the way. If I don't do this, I have to do Water Hall without a crutch, which is not technically possible for me.

I'm confused. You need the spinels for the sweeper? Is there some attachment or something extra I'm missing here that you need spinels for? You should have the Chicago typewriter in your storage box?

If you did need spinels, did you even get enough before the cabin? Kind of sounds like you're not getting anything but a loss of flash bangs and time, for spinels that you could get later.

What am I missing here?

He needs a ticket for upgrade to infinite ammo.

[Big Perm]

Originally posted by Devil Breaker:

Originally posted by Big Perm:

I'm confused. You need the spinels for the sweeper? Is there some attachment or something extra I'm missing here that you need spinels for? You should have the Chicago typewriter in your storage box?

If you did need spinels, did you even get enough before the cabin? Kind of sounds like you're not getting anything but a loss of flash bangs and time, for spinels that you could get later.

What am I missing here?

He needs a ticket for upgrade to infinite ammo.

Snap, that is exactly enough for the 30 point upgrade isn't it.

That gun isn't working well enough to clear out the cabin?

[Devil Breaker]

Originally posted by Raster:

Originally posted by Devil Breaker:

But I am garbage too. It was my first attempt for S or S+ in any RE game. I was restarting run to del lago like 30 times, then was stuck at the cabing for an hour or 2 and then game became a breeze and I pulled through.

If you can do that, you're not garbage. Even if you are, I'm far worse. I've been at this long enough to know when something isn't possible for me.

It's absolutely a skill issue. The problem isn't that I'm constantly experiencing failure. It's that I am a failure, and I'm not going to magically become good at this game, or anything else, just by putting in effort. There's something fundamentally wrong with me if I can't execute a simple strategy to beat simple AI that is designed to walk toward me at all times.

You need to belive in yourself more.

[Big Perm]

Originally posted by Devil Breaker:

You need to belive in yourself more.

+1 to this.

Only thing thats going to make you better is probably more practice / experience. It's a struggle but if it wasn't a struggle there'd be nothing to learn :p

[Raster]

Originally posted by Big Perm:

Originally posted by Devil Breaker:

He needs a ticket for upgrade to infinite ammo.

Snap, that is exactly enough for the 30 point upgrade isn't it.

That gun isn't working well enough to clear out the cabin?

No. The game actually lies to you when you start Professional Mode. It says "all upgrades are available from the start" but that's inaccurate. You still need to reach Chapter 7 for Exclusive Upgrades to be purchasable for a weapon.

Likely an oversight or something you could play devil's advocate over, but the game should be possible on Professional without having to rely on that. I've seen a few people do it, but even after 70 hours, now, of trying, I am still trash at this game.

I don't even want to spend the money on the DLC unlock anymore. I want to forget I ever played this game.

[Big Perm]

Originally posted by Raster:

Originally posted by Big Perm:

Snap, that is exactly enough for the 30 point upgrade isn't it.

That gun isn't working well enough to clear out the cabin?

No. The game actually lies to you when you start Professional Mode. It says "all upgrades are available from the start" but that's inaccurate. You still need to reach Chapter 7 for Exclusive Upgrades to be purchasable for a weapon.

Likely an oversight or something you could play devil's advocate over, but the game should be possible on Professional without having to rely on that. I've seen a few people do it, but even after 70 hours, now, of trying, I am still trash at this game.

I don't even want to spend the money on the DLC unlock anymore. I want to forget I ever played this game.

Well, not that it helps, but if thats the case, then you should definitely skip the mutt and save your resources for the cabin :p

[Neckwhiskers]

Let me get this straight.... You have infinite ammo for the chicago sweeper AND the chicken hat? I mean at this point the only thing anyone can say is unironically get good.
Once I got infinite ammo I barely even got hit.

[Raster]

Originally posted by Neckwhiskers:

Let me get this straight.... You have infinite ammo for the chicago sweeper AND the chicken hat? I mean at this point the only thing anyone can say is unironically get good.
Once I got infinite ammo I barely even got hit.

I'll clarify in case you haven't read the whole way through, as you seem to be missing some points, or just picked a few elements from one of my replies and went with it:

If you can get 30 spinels before Chapter 7, then once you get to Chapter 7, you can get infinite ammo for the Sweeper. The 30 spinels are used to purchase an exclusive upgrade tickets, which you can use from Chapter 7 onward on any gun, without having to fully max out its other upgrades first. You just need to survive that long and do all the requests to that point.

My problem is Chapters 1-6 are the hardest in the game, and without infinite ammo, I can't survive long enough to get my infinite ammo, like I did on hardcore for an S+. Professional is a whole new level of spreadsheet tuning, with everything cranked to the max, and I'm not capable of getting TO the point where I can cheese it with infinite ammo.

And even with an infinite Sweeper from Chapter 7 onward, on Hardcore, I still died a ton and had to save about 40 times to grind my way through. It's absolutely a skill issue if I'm dying with infinite ammo, so I don't know why I thought Professional would be achievable for me.