This Remake is too different from the OG, it's not RE4

[Zetsu]

Main reasons:
- Decent amount of cut content, even if Laser room / U3 will be a part of paid Ada's DLC it is still bs way to implement it
- Awful voice acting on most of the characters compared to the original, especially Ada's one
- No charm from the OG at all, it feels like a completely different game, removed cheese lines between Leon and Salazar / Saddler , all of it being removed.
- Change of the characters completely, Salazar and Saddler are completely different characters compared to the original, in bad way, so as new dead inside Ada who just doesn't care and have no chemistry with Leon anymore.
- QTE removed completely, if I agree that in some ways it's for the better (Krauser fight and some aspect of the gameplay) in some other ways they shoud've kept them (Del Lago fight, Salazar Statue)

Yes this game plays great, it has superior controls / graphics and level design is better in some ways but it's just not RE4, it's different game. Capcom missed part for what people think OG is a masterpiece.

[Demisync]

Originally posted by Darkgamester301:

Originally posted by Demisync:

I understand what you're trying to say, but I would hardly call OG Krauser much of a challenge considering you can knife him to death on Pro in less than a minute, even without Ditman activated

No, you can't? I'm talking specifically about the first time Leon faces him, the entire QTE sequence knife battle.

That is very much a challenge because it's literally "perform the QTE correctly or die."

This game completely reduced that level of hand-eye coordination to...again, a series of button mashes (Evade, Parry, Slash).

My brother in Christ, you can sit through the entire cutscene and mash M1+2 and X+C simultaneously and pass the fight. The game doesn't check to see which combination you pressed first, so you can just mash both combinations. Even in game, when evading boss attacks (Verdugo's attacks, Bitorez's attacks, Krauser's attacks etc.) you can mash both combos. This was changed in RE5, where it does check to see which combination you pressed first. QTEs are an actual challenge there. In OG RE4? No, not so much

[ElfPrince1937]

Originally posted by Izanami:

Luis's death in the remake (after Krauser left) is more tragic kinda but in the OG it makes Saddler more threatening for me. Saddler in the remake is trash boring villian compared to the original.

This is another big gripe for me personally.

In the OG, Leon meets Saddler right at the beginning, after rescuing Ashley in the church. From there, it's a constant cat-and-mouse game where Leon could potentially finish Saddler off if not for extenuating circumstances (needing to protect Ashley from zealots armed with flaming crossbows, Luis dying but giving Leon anti-plaga medicine).

In the remake, the most we get prior to (presumably) the ending is...Plaga mind visions? Like, Saddler's mentioned by Salazar and the village chief, but he has nowhere near the level of presence that he did back in the OG.

Especially with the removal of the radio messages between Leon (Protagonist) and Salazar and later Saddler (Antagonists).

[The High Seraph]

Originally posted by Izanami:

Originally posted by (N☆G) Jackal ★JJ★:

No, that is absolutely NOT true.
As most people who played it magically seem to have RE4 OG in their library with a considerable amount of playtime.

You are talking absolute non-sense and you are pulling statistics from no where.
Next time when you want to talk on behalf of the RE4 fan base, you make sure you actually know what you are talking about instead of just making up what you personally think everyone who idolized RE4 thinks.

There are things in RE4 remake that I dislike that are absent but overall the game is pretty faithful. I can give a big negative list of all the things I hate that are not really in the game like dialogue or certain interactions but I can make an equally and even bigger list of all of the changes that improved the core experience leading me to actually make the statement for myself that RE4 remake is pretty faithful overall to the source material while giving just the right amount of changes where it isn't considered a downgrade.

All of the changes that makes Remake better are visuals and new mechanics. Then only good changes about the story that makes remake better is Luis nothing more. Ashley is pretty much the same except for new look. Otherwise new "dark tone" makes it not faithful to OG already, it makes main Villains of RE4 worse imo.

You are complete out of your mind saying OG Ashley and Remake Ashley are the same .

[ElfPrince1937]

Originally posted by Demisync:

My brother in Christ, you can sit through the entire cutscene and mash M1+2 and X+C simultaneously and pass the fight. The game doesn't check to see which combination you pressed first

That's irrelevant; the game isn't testing you on which particular buttons to press, it's testing your reaction time. Regardless of which combo shows up to press, it's still a matter of being able to react in the 0.1 seconds or so that you have before you're killed.

And again, those QTEs are practically non-existent in the Remake.

[Dracula Flow]

If the game isn't appealing to your horny factor and making jokes every 5 seconds then it's a bad game according to RE4 'fans'

[ElfPrince1937]

Originally posted by Mistarpotato:

If the game isn't appealing to your horny factor and making jokes every 5 seconds then it's a bad game according to RE4 'fans'

I mean, you joke, but a core theme throughout the classic games was very much recreating the 1980s-1990s "campy horror film" feeling.

Barry in REmake: A second later and you would have fit nicely into a sandwich!

Also Barry in REmake: Here, take these grenade rounds. They should yellow-and-mellow those creeps!

[The High Seraph]

Originally posted by Izanami:

Originally posted by The High Seraph:

You are complete out of your mind saying OG Ashley and Remake Ashley are the same .

What's so new about new Ashley? Being more supportive? Wow... Ashley also helping Leon in the original if you didn't know, she pretty much the same other then they removed her health bar and gave her new look.

Ashley in remake has proper character development and actual likable character instead of being a generic plot device . Ya no wonder you don’t catch the difference since you don’t even own the game .

[Demisync]

Originally posted by Darkgamester301:

Originally posted by Demisync:

My brother in Christ, you can sit through the entire cutscene and mash M1+2 and X+C simultaneously and pass the fight. The game doesn't check to see which combination you pressed first

That's irrelevant; the game isn't testing you on which particular buttons to press, it's testing your reaction time. Regardless of which combo shows up to press, it's still a matter of being able to react in the 0.1 seconds or so that you have before you're killed.

And again, those QTEs are practically non-existent in the Remake.

Right, what you aren't understanding is the aspect of "testing" the player's reaction speed is pointless when the player can constantly mash, non-stop mash, both QTE combos throughout the entire cutscene and pass it. You don't have to stop mashing, there is no sort of cooldown for cutscene QTEs. Any cutscene QTEs. The only time there would be a challenge is a first time playthrough where you don't know there's a QTE coming up. After that initial playthrough, you know what's coming, and you know when to mash both combos at once to pass the check. I'll agree with you on one thing though, yeah, it does test the player's reaction time, but only on that first initial playthrough. The Krauser fight in the remake is actually challenging and much more involved, rather than spamming some keyboard keys for 2 minutes.

[Proudly Toxic]

I liked the original, but RE5 did the actual gameplay of RE4 better, which makes sense given that they built on the systems introduced by RE4.

I'm not saying RE5 is better than RE4. Just that RE4 doesn't even have a head stomp, and knifing things on the ground gets annoying after a while when they introduced contextual melee, but didn't think to do it for stomps.

As far as the remake goes, I'm of the opinion that RE4 OG starts falling apart towards the later parts of the castle and the island. Those are the bits that got trimmed out, and I generally feel like that was a good move.

They also minimized the ammount of zombies with guns even if we still have plagas infested people manning machine gun emplacements towards the lategame.

Unfortunately that would never be fully changed without rewriting the later aspects of RE4, but honestly I would've been happy if they did.

Is it better than the original?

Up to personal taste. If you liked RE4 but you want a more "immersive" and less cheesy version of it, you have this. The early and mid-game sections hold up the immersion aspect pretty well, and it only really starts falling apart later when by sticking with the original writing they can't get away from some of the bad exposition (Krauser is cool, but his exposition is really hamfisted and badly written) and over the top action sequences.

Gameplay wise its mostly the same with less QTEs, which to me is a good thing, and the inclusion of a knife parry. Considering how much of a stinker RE3 Remake was thanks to the budget being diverted to their DBD clone, this could've gone much worse.

I also played RE4 with the HD mod a week before I got RE 4 Remake, so perhaps having fully played it and having it fresh in my memory is part of why I'm so willing to give this a passing grade.

Can't wait for RE5 Remake so I can see chris redfield punch a boulder in 4K.

[Dark Ghost]

If you like OG a lot buy this game:
Main reasons:
-A total reimagining of the game, many fights are more challenging and inventive now.
-The voices are different, but they fulfill their mission and in some cases they give more depth to the characters.
-The behavior of the characters is different, Salazar is presented as a devotee who will sacrifice everything to fulfill his mission. Wong shows that Leon is mostly a tool to her, a logical behavior for someone she only knew for less than a day.
-QTE are gone for good.
RE 4 remake is a letter of appreciation to those who liked the original game, Capcom could only add movement while aiming and add new textures and many would have been content with that, but they decided to take a chance and present us with a game that feels fresh and new. but that maintains the essence of the original.
In Ashley's case, she no longer feels like a damsel who doesn't react to what's happening to her, but tries to understand and help her.
If you can take off the blindfold of nostalgia, you will enjoy this game. But if not, Capcom still sells the original version of RE 4.

[ElfPrince1937]

Originally posted by Dark Ghost:

If you can take off the blindfold of nostalgia, you will enjoy this game. But if not, Capcom still sells the original version of RE 4.

Easier said than done, because tbf, the OG was a very well-done game for its time.

The Blindfold of Nostalgia (TM) is strong.

[Funpire]

Originally posted by Izanami:

Main reasons:
- Decent amount of cut content, even if Laser room / U3 will be a part of paid Ada's DLC it is still bs way to implement it
- Awful voice acting on most of the characters compared to the original, especially Ada's one
- No charm from the OG at all, it feels like a completely different game, removed cheese lines between Leon and Salazar / Saddler , all of it being removed.
- Change of the characters completely, Salazar and Saddler are completely different characters compared to the original, in bad way, so as new dead inside Ada who just doesn't care and have no chemistry with Leon anymore.
- QTE removed completely, if I agree that in some ways it's for the better (Krauser fight and some aspect of the gameplay) in some other ways they shoud've kept them (Del Lago fight, Salazar Statue)

Yes this games plays great, it has superior controls / graphics and level design is better in some ways but it's just not RE4, it's different game. Capcom missed part for what people think OG is a masterpiece.

People who say this Remake is better than OG or this Remake did justice to the original either hated original and thought it was stupid or didn't play it at all, that's it.
So if you like OG and think this is a masterpiece just play HD Project and don't buy this remake. (I beat Remake already and after that I beat original for the third time, and yes OG is way more atmosphere and actually feels like devs put soul in it)


UPDATE: I see there's a lot of fanboys / zoomers who have only insults other than arguments why this remake did justice to the OG, expected.
> Beautiful Graphics
> Good game
They even justify Ada's VA and her new character lol

All the characters are done better in this game than the OG.

[The High Seraph]

Originally posted by Izanami:

Originally posted by The High Seraph:

Ashley in remake has proper character development and actual likable character instead of being a generic plot device . Ya no wonder you don’t catch the difference since you don’t even own the game .

I own it and I completed it. I like Ashley in the original, she is almost no different in the remake. You have no arguments as expected, this zoomer RE fanboys, jeez

Calling someone fanboi just because you no longer have facts to argue with . It’s fine to like OG Ashley more than remake . But doesn’t change the fact that Remake Ashley is direct upgrade to OG in terms of Characters and saying these two are the same is outright wrong .

[Jason Todd]

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, I'm a zoomer now. Great, I'm aging backwards. I'll take that.

[N6ixty4]

@Izanami

shut up