Crowbcat: soul vs soulless Resident Evil 4 comparison

[talloyer]

Will the fanboys of the remake of Resident Evil 4 be upset?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83BhJAZrXrc

About the audio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBnM3jPX9aU

EDIT4: Crowbcat recommended this interesting fair review of Resident Evil 4 remake which has been hidden by "the algoritm". I cannot see why, there is nothing wrong about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcJGvS4f-HQ

EDIT3: (22/04/2023) Crowbcat added more proof he did not mess with the audio:

https://i.imgur.com/Gvw0Ei3.mp4
If you want to compare audio levels yourself:
youtu.be/83BhJAZrXrc?t=97 -> youtu.be/D-ZtNbCUtd0?t=5378
youtu.be/83BhJAZrXrc?t=108 -> youtu.be/puWTz8toRHc?t=11300

EDIT2: Crowbcat changed BACK the title and original of his video to their original form. He added an observation at the bottom of the restored description of his video:

(no more title shenanigans, thanks for watching)

EDIT: I am putting here the ORIGINAL description of Crowbcat's video (thanks, "Mu") and keeping the title of my topic since he(?) apparently got too spooked by the remake fanboys:

"This is a critical one-sided comparison mostly about art & cinematic direction. Observe and draw your own conclusions.

Recorded on NGC version (upscaled, 30 fps) for its original color saturation & lighting. Sequences are not necessarily in chronological order."

I am disappointed with Crowbcat's cowardice especially when changing the title and description fundamentally changes the message of his video, yet it is dissonant because the content of the video remains the same, which was to insinuate the changes of the remake were worse than the original. Imagine if he changed the title of his "GTA IV is better than GTA V" video to "GTAV is a flawless masterpiece" and kept that video the same; just as bad.
Honestly, all Crowbcat should have done was to only change the title of his video to something like "Resident Evil 4 lost its soul", since even I have to admit calling the remake "soulless" was a stretch, and I play several Ubisoft games so I know what IS soulless. To me, Capcom did to Resident Evil 4 remake what a group of artists would do if they tried to remake Michelangelo's "The Creation of Adam" to "fit modern standards". Could it LOOK better? Yes-ish, but would definitely lose the soul of original art in the process.
Crowbcat ironically made himself soulless by not sticking with his original message. He should delete this video and rethink his life choices to recover some dignity.

[Lupo89]

Publicado originalmente por JocularJosh:

Publicado originalmente por Lupo89:

See the problem with people like you is that no matter what fact I bring up, you will always say "so what". Well not for me, because a cut here a cut there, gets away from that "experience'' that you are talking about.
We end up with a different game that some of us don't like, and that should be perfectly fine.

Yeah you focus on those "cuts" but what about everything else the gore-system adds to the overall gameplay? You keep ignoring that. The detail, the animations, the graphics...adress that for once.
Stuff that you actually see when fighting enemies over and over again instead of a cutscene here or there that you will skip anyway after the first time seeing.

Stuff that I have already seen on the remake of re2 and 3 you mean?
Sorry but i take that for granted owning both those games.
What ells is new?

[D. Flame]

Publicado originalmente por Draza:

Publicado originalmente por D. Flame:

I explained a basic gameplay principle to you, the principle of there being auto options that perform basic functions but with less efficiency than manual options. I simply used another game as an example. It is not even the only example. Another example would be like how in RPGs you can set your characters to auto battle, but all they will do is basic normal attacks.

You can't understand this basic gameplay design strategy. You can't understand the concept of examples. Plus, your only counter was "I do it just because," rather than offering a valid reason.

So it's not that I don't want to have a proper discussion; it is that you are literally incapable of having one. Trying to further explain my point to you would just be a waste of time.

You used examples of auto options not being optimal when they exist for vital game mechanics (crafting in atelier games, combat in an rpg). You're trying to attribute the same impact to inventory sorting in RE4, which is way, way less impactful as a game mechanic. Unless you're inventory is really full, all you need to do is move some things around to make space.

There are other examples where you could have a pet with you in a Diablo-like game. It would help you with various things, or you could have it take items back to town to AUTO-sell for you, but in exchange, you lose the assistance it provided you in the dungeon until it returned.

Selling items in that game was about as much of a core mechanic as inventory management was in RE games. It is a fairly universal game concept.

[Ascended]

REmake 4 is the equivalent of REmake 3. It isn't as good as REmake 1 or 2, but it is competent enough, it is more streamlined and dumbed down, has cut content that was in the original game being sold as DLCs, has plain cut content that won't come as DLC, the campy stuff isn't in the game exactly, it was all toned down because "muh grittiness".

[JocularJosh]

Publicado originalmente por Lupo89:

Publicado originalmente por JocularJosh:

Yeah you focus on those "cuts" but what about everything else the gore-system adds to the overall gameplay? You keep ignoring that. The detail, the animations, the graphics...adress that for once.
Stuff that you actually see when fighting enemies over and over again instead of a cutscene here or there that you will skip anyway after the first time seeing.

Stuff that I have already seen on the remake of re2 and 3 you mean?
Sorry but i take that for granted owning both those games.
What ells is new?

No, the gore system has been improved.
You would know if you would have actually played the game or informed yourself in any way.
Watch more videos. Actual gameplay videos. Pure gameplay, no commentary.
Crowbacts video exist to push a certain narrative and it's here to make the original look better than the remake.

But even if it were the same as the other remakes, it is still way better and way more detailed than the original game. Which, suddenly doesn't matter anymore or what?

[Lupo89]

Publicado originalmente por Ascension:

REmake 4 is the equivalent of REmake 3. It isn't as good as REmake 1 or 2, but it is competent enough, it is more streamlined and dumbed down, has cut content that was in the original game being sold as DLCs, has plain cut content that won't come as DLC, the campy stuff isn't in the game exactly, it was all toned down because "muh grittiness".

If rumors about Ada separate ways being a paid dlc are true that adds to the misery of the remake. Since that was on the OG free.

[Gunslinger ☢]

I came fresh off the heels of finishing the OG for the first time and finished some of the extra content and the then currently playing the remake atm, honestly some stuff is cool like expanding the lake area, throwing curveballs for people who played the original, and more merchant sidequests instead of just the one in the original, and bringing back ideas that were on the cutting room floor like stealth, which was originally supposed to be more of a thing with a few weapons having cut surpressor upgrades in the OG, but other things are jarring, the controls feel inferior as a M&K player (which was something i didnt expect) and ammo crafting is a bit unneeded, cant even store those resources in the (itembox? item typewriter storage?) so you either just leave it, make cheap handgun ammo 24/7 or hope to spend a lot early on to get attache case upgrades which is annoying, the VA choices/lines are kind of meh, mostly Saddler and Mendez and Ada, the cheesy tone is lost even though it tries to do new cheesy lines that dont really feel memorable, among other things.

They both have enough differences with eachother to make both worth playing as seperate experiences though, the original still holds up but the remake has more content early in the game so far and more things to do, which is subjective if thats better or not since it can be seen as busywork, and had more technical issues with the remake than the original.

[Lupo89]

Publicado originalmente por JocularJosh:

Publicado originalmente por Lupo89:

Stuff that I have already seen on the remake of re2 and 3 you mean?
Sorry but i take that for granted owning both those games.
What ells is new?

No, the gore system has been improved.
You would know if you would have actually played the game or informed yourself in any way.
Watch more videos. Actual gameplay videos. Pure gameplay, no commentary.
Crowbacts video exist to push a certain narrative and it's here to make the original look better than the remake.

But even if it were the same as the other remakes, it is still way better and way more detailed than the original game. Which, suddenly doesn't matter anymore or what?

But don't you see how when it comes to remake is always about what is cut? You know why?

Cuz most of the time huge chunk of game are being removed and what is added doesn't make up for it. (f rumors are true) You will find acceptable having to pay for Ada's separate way DLC?

[JocularJosh]

Publicado originalmente por Lupo89:

Publicado originalmente por JocularJosh:

No, the gore system has been improved.
You would know if you would have actually played the game or informed yourself in any way.
Watch more videos. Actual gameplay videos. Pure gameplay, no commentary.
Crowbacts video exist to push a certain narrative and it's here to make the original look better than the remake.

But even if it were the same as the other remakes, it is still way better and way more detailed than the original game. Which, suddenly doesn't matter anymore or what?

But don't you see how when it comes to remake is always about what is cut? You know why?

Cuz most of the time huge chunk of game are being removed and what is added doesn't make up for it. (f rumors are true) You will find acceptable having to pay for Ada's separate way DLC?

See how you are now trying to change the topic all of the sudden?
This is about the gore, you literally started this by complaining about the lack of it.
There is no lack of gore, the gore has been improved and is way better now.

Though sure, yes, stuff has been cut. Stuff has been added. For better or for worse is up to you. To me, I don't care. I can enjoy both games equally (unheard of, I know).
If they decide to make us pay for the DLC then so be it. That's just how it is nowadays.
EA is releasing the exact same games year after year after year after year, sometimes even with less content but for the same price or even a higher price.
I can deal with having to pay a bit for more content and I can always wait for a sale.

[Gunslinger ☢]

Oh and i guess the combat feels worse, like its visually more punchy, but you just cant beat pulling out the shotgun and the force of one enemy being flung back and knocking down 4 other ones behind them.

[Lupo89]

Publicado originalmente por JocularJosh:

Publicado originalmente por Lupo89:

But don't you see how when it comes to remake is always about what is cut? You know why?

Cuz most of the time huge chunk of game are being removed and what is added doesn't make up for it. (f rumors are true) You will find acceptable having to pay for Ada's separate way DLC?

See how you are now trying to change the topic all of the sudden?
This is about the gore, you literally started this by complaining about the lack of it.
There is no lack of gore, the gore has been improved and is way better now.

Though sure, yes, stuff has been cut. Stuff has been added. For better or for worse is up to you. To me, I don't care. I can enjoy both games equally (unheard of, I know).
If they decide to make us pay for the DLC then so be it. That's just how it is nowadays.
EA is releasing the exact same games year after year after year after year, sometimes even with less content but for the same price or even a higher price.
I can deal with having to pay a bit for more content and I can always wait for a sale.

What? I though the topic of the gore is already settled. i mean only if you are blind or didn't watch the video you could say the gore is more in the remake. like wtf dude.
I even timestamped the footage in the video. 10:00 go watch it.

[Skkooomer Lord]

Logical conclusions have already been said, this discussion has been ended.

Crobat is correct in his observations of changes, I do agree with the sound design adding a lot.

Do the changes break the game? No, it only helps to deliver a more serious tone, The music in RE4 OG is rather obnoxious which gave it the more action - intense feel.

The rest are small details that whilst exist don't truly hold RE4R back at all.

The peddling of negativity is held by those who do not own the game and have never played it, 1 was caught out in their lies as they exposed themselves, reverting from saying they played it on family share to just the demo.

The rest are more stubborn and are willing to lie just to hold a negative view which stems from deeper issues.

[JocularJosh]

Publicado originalmente por Lupo89:

Publicado originalmente por JocularJosh:

See how you are now trying to change the topic all of the sudden?
This is about the gore, you literally started this by complaining about the lack of it.
There is no lack of gore, the gore has been improved and is way better now.

Though sure, yes, stuff has been cut. Stuff has been added. For better or for worse is up to you. To me, I don't care. I can enjoy both games equally (unheard of, I know).
If they decide to make us pay for the DLC then so be it. That's just how it is nowadays.
EA is releasing the exact same games year after year after year after year, sometimes even with less content but for the same price or even a higher price.
I can deal with having to pay a bit for more content and I can always wait for a sale.

What? I though the topic of the gore is already settled. i mean only if you are blind or didn't watch the video you could say the gore is more in the remake. like wtf dude.
I even timestamped the footage in the video. 10:00 go watch it.

Yes, and I literally told you not to use ONE biased video that has literally been made to present the remake in a bad light to make up your mind about this topic.
We were never done with this topic. I kept explaining myself, I kept giving you examples and told you why the remake is more detailed in that regard. You always, ALWAYAS, ignored my points.

How about you go back to one of my former comments, adress my actual arguments and listen to my advice?
Look at actual, raw gameplay videos. There are comparisson videos out there just for people like you.

[Griever]

I love the remakes.
However, the original games have an old school scary playstation feel that is special.
And that applies to all horror games of the era. Dino Crisis, Silent Hill 1, Parasite Eve...

[Lupo89]

Publicado originalmente por JocularJosh:

Publicado originalmente por Lupo89:

What? I though the topic of the gore is already settled. i mean only if you are blind or didn't watch the video you could say the gore is more in the remake. like wtf dude.
I even timestamped the footage in the video. 10:00 go watch it.

Yes, and I literally told you not to use ONE biased video that has literally been made to present the remake in a bad light to make up your mind about this topic.
We were never done with this topic. I kept explaining myself, I kept giving you examples and told you why the remake is more detailed in that regard. You always, ALWAYAS, ignored my points.

How about you go back to one of my former comments, adress my actual arguments and listen to my advice?
Look at actual, raw gameplay videos. There are comparisson videos out there just for people like you.

Concrete evidence vs google it. You made no argument sorry.

[JocularJosh]

Publicado originalmente por Lupo89:

Publicado originalmente por JocularJosh:

Yes, and I literally told you not to use ONE biased video that has literally been made to present the remake in a bad light to make up your mind about this topic.
We were never done with this topic. I kept explaining myself, I kept giving you examples and told you why the remake is more detailed in that regard. You always, ALWAYAS, ignored my points.

How about you go back to one of my former comments, adress my actual arguments and listen to my advice?
Look at actual, raw gameplay videos. There are comparisson videos out there just for people like you.

Concrete evidence vs google it. You made no argument sorry.

I made several which you, once again, completely ignored. Right after the comment where I already am accusing you of ignoring my arugments.
I am fairly sure you aren't even reading my comments at this point because you know you are wrong and got nothing except for one video.

And no, one biased video is not concrete evidence my guy.