Hardcore run: NG or NG+?

[Bullett00th]

And same question for Pro.
Basically what I want to know is whether or not these difficulties are designed around playing them with existing upgrades or not.

I know that RE7's Madhouse and RE3's Nightmare are perfectly playable without any ANG+ items, but RE8's Village of Shadows simply is balanced around NG+.

What's the case with this remake?

[ggAkatsukiP]

Lots of people do NG+ run on pro, some do S+ pro, while some enjoy casual NG pro.

[HeeRoTH]

you should be finish hardcore with A Rank for unlock Ashley's Armor because effect is invincible first and then you can speedrun on professional for S+ rank

[kiteless 凧無し]

All the speed runners I see who stream seem to do any% on pro runs

Watching them skip large chunks of the game and boss fights kinda sucks in my opinion.

I doubt capcom will bother fixing these exploits either

Id say do ng+ runs for the harder difficulty’s if you are actually planning not to use exploits

[Hash]

It's certainly not necessary to play hardcore on NG+ to succeed on a first playthough without getting stuck. Since you have to finish a playthrough to unlock professional that probably tells you something although even that can be accomplished in a fresh run.

The game is designed to be beatable in 5 hours on every difficulty while the average player may end up playing a full day.

[Bullett00th]

Just to be clear, I'm not aiming for a speedrun or any specific rank. I don't want to use any skips or exploits. I just enjoy the challenge, provided it's a fair challenge.

I know people CAN do it. People can beat the entire Souls trilogy in one sitting without levelling up. I just want to know if the higher difficulties feel like they've been designed to be perfectly playable on NG (like RE7) or designed around the player having items for NG+ (RE Village)

[wyrtt6]

Originally posted by kiteless 凧無し:

All the speed runners I see who stream seem to do any% on pro runs

Watching them skip large chunks of the game and boss fights kinda sucks in my opinion.

I doubt capcom will bother fixing these exploits either

Id say do ng+ runs for the harder difficulty’s if you are actually planning not to use exploits

ALL aka glitch out of bounds category aka cringe category. Real speedruns are glitchless.

[Plank]

Both difficulties are manageable in NG. Pro is honestly only difficult at the beginning, where your pistol is slower than an arthritic turtle and hits like a wet fart, as well as one or two problem spots like the cabin.

[Naberius]

Hardcore is playable on NG. (and well balanced.)

Professional is well balanced in NG+. Extremely hard and frustrating on NG (but doable).

[Hash]

Or to put it another way: if you just want a challenging game, play standard. People tend to regret starting on hardcore unless they're a bit masochistic. You do need to play well enough to offset the knowledge you might have gained from playing the original in 2005 if you choose hardcore.

[Dank Sidious]

They are all designed to be perfectly beatable without NG+ advantages. There's no RE8 Village of Shadows or RE3 Inferno type of nonsense here where enemies had an absurdly bloated stats right from the start.

However for once the hard difficulties were also designed to be challenging like they are supposed to be.

You have to beat the game once to even play it on pro so it is expected that you are at least familiar with the game before playing pro.

[Dank Sidious]

Originally posted by wyrtt6:

Originally posted by kiteless 凧無し:

All the speed runners I see who stream seem to do any% on pro runs

Watching them skip large chunks of the game and boss fights kinda sucks in my opinion.

I doubt capcom will bother fixing these exploits either

Id say do ng+ runs for the harder difficulty’s if you are actually planning not to use exploits

ALL aka glitch out of bounds category aka cringe category. Real speedruns are glitchless.

Maidenless take. There are still difficult part in glitched runs that they have to deal with. Glitches just reduce time even more. The entire point of Any% runs where glitches are allowed is to see what is the fastest possible way to beat the game. That's what make it fun even with glitches.

I guarantee you that all of the people who have so far ran Any% NG Pro sub 2 hours are far better at this game than you.

Anyone who says that only glitchless runners are real speedrunners hardly follow or understand speedrunning anyway.

[kiteless 凧無し]

Originally posted by Bullett00th:

Just to be clear, I'm not aiming for a speedrun or any specific rank. I don't want to use any skips or exploits. I just enjoy the challenge, provided it's a fair challenge.

I know people CAN do it. People can beat the entire Souls trilogy in one sitting without levelling up. I just want to know if the higher difficulties feel like they've been designed to be perfectly playable on NG (like RE7) or designed around the player having items for NG+ (RE Village)

Id say do a ng+, if you finish that you can always try it from a brand new game

NG pro requires you to really know how to route the game including collecting the right treasures to make the most money to get what you need and when, it’s very unforgiving and you’ll find yourself running out of ammo if you don’t know what you’re doing. Even the speedrunners die a lot and that’s with exploits so it’s going to be even harder with a glitchless NG

[Bullett00th]

Originally posted by Pääpeelsepuuppi:

Originally posted by wyrtt6:

ALL aka glitch out of bounds category aka cringe category. Real speedruns are glitchless.

Maidenless take. There are still difficult part in glitched runs that they have to deal with. Glitches just reduce time even more. The entire point of Any% runs where glitches are allowed is to see what is the fastest possible way to beat the game. That's what make it fun even with glitches.

I guarantee you that all of the people who have so far ran Any% NG Pro sub 2 hours are far better at this game than you.

Anyone who says that only glitchless runners are real speedrunners hardly follow or understand speedrunning anyway.

I see both sides of the argument, and that's why 'no glitch' speedruns are a thing. There's a curiosity and a competition of how fast can you beat a game while following the devs' intended design, and how fast you can get from starting the game to end credits. Both are viable.

Originally posted by kiteless 凧無し:

Originally posted by Bullett00th:

Just to be clear, I'm not aiming for a speedrun or any specific rank. I don't want to use any skips or exploits. I just enjoy the challenge, provided it's a fair challenge.

I know people CAN do it. People can beat the entire Souls trilogy in one sitting without levelling up. I just want to know if the higher difficulties feel like they've been designed to be perfectly playable on NG (like RE7) or designed around the player having items for NG+ (RE Village)

Id say do a ng+, if you finish that you can always try it from a brand new game

NG pro requires you to really know how to route the game including collecting the right treasures to make the most money to get what you need and when, it’s very unforgiving and you’ll find yourself running out of ammo if you don’t know what you’re doing. Even the speedrunners die a lot and that’s with exploits so it’s going to be even harder with a glitchless NG

Thanks, this helps. I guess I'll be doing NG Hardcore and NG+ Pro. Like I said before I enjoyed RE7's Madhouse and it didn't feel like I have to grind or really know the game top to bottom in order to get through.

[Silly Billy]

My first ever playthrough was on hardcore, and it was an absolutely amazing experience. I think hardcore on NG without any unlockables is the definitive RE4 Remake experience. I'm so glad I didn't play Standard difficulty first cuz I can only play a game for the first time once.

[Dank Sidious]

Originally posted by Bullett00th:

Originally posted by Pääpeelsepuuppi:

Maidenless take. There are still difficult part in glitched runs that they have to deal with. Glitches just reduce time even more. The entire point of Any% runs where glitches are allowed is to see what is the fastest possible way to beat the game. That's what make it fun even with glitches.

I guarantee you that all of the people who have so far ran Any% NG Pro sub 2 hours are far better at this game than you.

Anyone who says that only glitchless runners are real speedrunners hardly follow or understand speedrunning anyway.

I see both sides of the argument, and that's why 'no glitch' speedruns are a thing. There's a curiosity and a competition of how fast can you beat a game while following the devs' intended design, and how fast you can get from starting the game to end credits. Both are viable.

There is no both sides of the argument. Only people who understand what Speedrunning is about and those who don't.

Any% runs are a valid speedrun category just as glitchless runs are. They are separated into different categories for a reason and people who would like to compete or just make their own records can choose a category they prefer. It's all valid speedrunning. None of it is easy or effortless.

Anyone who claims otherwise is welcome to attempt setting a record on Any% runs for popular speedrunning games to see just how "easy" it is.

People definitely have their preference, but those who are into speedrunning and are part of the community hardly question whether Any% runs with glitching is valid because even those who don't like doing glitch runs themselves understand the effort that goes into becoming good at any highly contested speedrun category. It's usually those who barely understand what speedrunning is about that crap on Any% runs.