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GAVade™ Jan 22, 2024 @ 8:17am
DRM Enigma added to MH Rise
Looks like its only a matter of time before they add this rubbish to the rest of their games including RE..... :(
Last edited by GAVade™; Jan 22, 2024 @ 8:17am
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DeadPhoenix Jan 22, 2024 @ 10:20am 
Capcom wants to kill the PC market. Its sad, but they're not getting a single penny for me. So RE4 Remake will be my last Capcom.

Bye.
Deathraven13 Jan 22, 2024 @ 10:33am 
Originally posted by DeadPhoenix:
Capcom wants to kill the PC market. Its sad, but they're not getting a single penny for me. So RE4 Remake will be my last Capcom.

Bye.

Same here bro.

I don't remember which MH it was but I remember buying one of those (you start with your character and a familiar) and the starting area got some fog or something, it used Denuvo and I couldn't get 60 FPS no matter what I did, I did have the recommended config but the game was fairly new, I think I pre-ordered it for some bonus or something, I refunded it.

I've blacklisted CAPCOM so steam won't recommend their games now.
DeadPhoenix Jan 22, 2024 @ 10:40am 
Originally posted by Deathraven13:
Originally posted by DeadPhoenix:
Capcom wants to kill the PC market. Its sad, but they're not getting a single penny for me. So RE4 Remake will be my last Capcom.

Bye.

Same here bro.

I don't remember which MH it was but I remember buying one of those (you start with your character and a familiar) and the starting area got some fog or something, it used Denuvo and I couldn't get 60 FPS no matter what I did, I did have the recommended config but the game was fairly new, I think I pre-ordered it for some bonus or something, I refunded it.

I've blacklisted CAPCOM so steam won't recommend their games now.

Capcom doesn't exist for me anymore. I hope they go bankrupt !!!
Because whoever is in charge should be fired asap !!!
Deathraven13 Jan 22, 2024 @ 10:52am 
Originally posted by DeadPhoenix:
Capcom doesn't exist for me anymore. I hope they go bankrupt !!!
Because whoever is in charge should be fired asap !!!

Sadly we will be a minority so CAPCOM won't care they'll still get money but at least we'll spend cash on devs that don't backstab their community or try to milk them, so we need to vote with our wallet since money is all CAPCOM care about.
DeadPhoenix Jan 22, 2024 @ 11:26am 
Originally posted by Deathraven13:
Originally posted by DeadPhoenix:
Capcom doesn't exist for me anymore. I hope they go bankrupt !!!
Because whoever is in charge should be fired asap !!!

Sadly we will be a minority so CAPCOM won't care they'll still get money but at least we'll spend cash on devs that don't backstab their community or try to milk them, so we need to vote with our wallet since money is all CAPCOM care about.

Sadly we're. But hopefully it be enough to put a dent into their income.
Because greedy Companies do no deserve my money when they backstack loyal customers.
Xengre Jan 22, 2024 @ 11:57am 
Originally posted by DeadPhoenix:
Capcom wants to kill the PC market. Its sad, but they're not getting a single penny for me. So RE4 Remake will be my last Capcom.

Bye.
To be fair, Capcom is one of the major devs actually supporting PC. Enigma is confirmed to so far not be breaking Monster Hunter mods, but it has caused issues with the not officially supported Linux Steam Deck (of which Capcom is actually looking to fix despite no official support).

Originally posted by Deathraven13:
Originally posted by DeadPhoenix:
Capcom wants to kill the PC market. Its sad, but they're not getting a single penny for me. So RE4 Remake will be my last Capcom.

Bye.

Same here bro.

I don't remember which MH it was but I remember buying one of those (you start with your character and a familiar) and the starting area got some fog or something, it used Denuvo and I couldn't get 60 FPS no matter what I did, I did have the recommended config but the game was fairly new, I think I pre-ordered it for some bonus or something, I refunded it.

I've blacklisted CAPCOM so steam won't recommend their games now.
Denuvo is not the reason for your performance issue.

What are with these threads. I can't say I'm a fan of them making such changes to much older games since it poses a risk of causing some issues, but that aside people are dramatically inflating the issue into something it isn't.
DeadPhoenix Jan 22, 2024 @ 1:50pm 
Originally posted by Xengre:
Originally posted by DeadPhoenix:
Capcom wants to kill the PC market. Its sad, but they're not getting a single penny for me. So RE4 Remake will be my last Capcom.

Bye.
To be fair, Capcom is one of the major devs actually supporting PC. Enigma is confirmed to so far not be breaking Monster Hunter mods, but it has caused issues with the not officially supported Linux Steam Deck (of which Capcom is actually looking to fix despite no official support).

Originally posted by Deathraven13:

Same here bro.

I don't remember which MH it was but I remember buying one of those (you start with your character and a familiar) and the starting area got some fog or something, it used Denuvo and I couldn't get 60 FPS no matter what I did, I did have the recommended config but the game was fairly new, I think I pre-ordered it for some bonus or something, I refunded it.

I've blacklisted CAPCOM so steam won't recommend their games now.
Denuvo is not the reason for your performance issue.

What are with these threads. I can't say I'm a fan of them making such changes to much older games since it poses a risk of causing some issues, but that aside people are dramatically inflating the issue into something it isn't.

Game should not have any DRM. They're giving paying costumers a worse experience vs people who pirate the game.

So Capcom is on my ignore list, no matter what !!!
Habi Jan 22, 2024 @ 1:58pm 
Consoles win again. PC gaming is for losers. :steamsalty:
Deathraven13 Jan 22, 2024 @ 2:40pm 
Originally posted by Xengre:
Denuvo is not the reason for your performance issue.

What are with these threads. I can't say I'm a fan of them making such changes to much older games since it poses a risk of causing some issues, but that aside people are dramatically inflating the issue into something it isn't.

Denuvo was one of the reason the game was slow, back in the days there were people with close to my config who pirated the game and had higher FPS than me.

I'm not anti denuvo, MGS5:TPP have it and the game run good but when it hinder the FPS so much that you can see it....... hard pass.

Here it's even worse because pirated versions of CAPCOM games will be the best experience: They'll be able to use mods and have a higher FPS than us (granted in RE4 remake I had no trouble but that's only for now), basicaly capcom punish PC players who play their games....... doesn't matter now I have blacklisted them.
Xengre Jan 22, 2024 @ 4:36pm 
Originally posted by DeadPhoenix:
Originally posted by Xengre:
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Game should not have any DRM. They're giving paying costumers a worse experience vs people who pirate the game.

So Capcom is on my ignore list, no matter what !!!
Please, enough with the false narrative. Sure, some DRM in the past has caused a degraded experience if not completely rendering a game unplayable but most modern DRM aren't like that. Almost all recent (as in the last combined several years) if anything has happened it has both been quite rare and extremely minor. DRM exists to protect developers as best as possible against the severe piracy issue that plagues games, movies, music, etc. Ignoring the need for it is about as self-centered as possible, especially when it is not causing you issues.

Further, people who pirate games statistically have a far worse experience. First, most Denuvo and many other custom DRM are almost never ever cracked now days as the piracy scene, at least in the gaming segment, has nearly died out over the past two years. When games are cracked its usually on a broken release state game or one later on that does not get additional updates / bug fixes, DLC content, etc. unless it was cracked basically at end of life support for the title. Many DRM like Denuvo aren't actually cracked but rather Steam DRM so the supposed bs claims about performance impact, etc., would still apply because Denuvo and such are still very much running even for pirated games.

Hearing the same perpetuated bs misinformation about the subject matter seriously gets old, quite like the claims about how Enigma would kill modding and yet here we are with it clearly not.

Originally posted by Deathraven13:
Originally posted by Xengre:
-snip
Denuvo was one of the reason the game was slow, back in the days there were people with close to my config who pirated the game and had higher FPS than me.
No it wasn't. You're are unfortunately mistaken. There exists zero evidence to support this claim. In fact, evidence shows otherwise because Denuvo is still active in those cracks so your performance could not possibly have gotten better after being cracked which is one of the biggest misconceptions surrounding Denuvo in particular.

One possible explanation, however, is the one you may very well have heard about with Hogwarts when someone tried proving Denuvo harmed its performance but later had to apologize because, despite being repeatedly told and dismissing it in the comments, they eventually verified other user's statements that Steam Overlay was having a far greater impact than they realized on performance. If you are running a pirated game you are typically not running with that overlay hence the discrepancy.

"Close to your config" leaves an immense amount of wiggle room with RAM overclocks & timings, GPU overclocks & auto-clocks due to thermal thresholds, CPU OCs and auto-boosts due to thermal thresholds, Windows update issues (a common cause of discrepancy in recent years) or other OS configuration, Driver related issues, background software, etc. This can (and regularly has) even resulted in people with weaker hardware configurations playing games with no issues while those with high end configurations having the game be virtually unplayable or much worse performance merely due to OS/driver related problems or other configuration issues.

Originally posted by Deathraven13:
I'm not anti denuvo, MGS5:TPP have it and the game run good but when it hinder the FPS so much that you can see it....... hard pass.
Tbh... no idea what you are talking about here. Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain is known famously as that one game that was so incredibly optimized it ran on practically anything, your toaster and kitchen sink included, perhaps just shy of Doom's level of optimization.

Originally posted by Deathraven13:
Here it's even worse because pirated versions of CAPCOM games will be the best experience: They'll be able to use mods and have a higher FPS than us (granted in RE4 remake I had no trouble but that's only for now), basicaly capcom punish PC players who play their games....... doesn't matter now I have blacklisted them.
What part of old RE games using Enigma still use mods just fine and everyone seems to be confirming Enigma on Monster Hunter (this thread is about) just being added has not broken any of their mods are we missing here? No offense, but this clearly isn't an issue.

Higher FPS has not been proven. Theoretically, it could have an impact but realistically you're talking about like a 1-2 FPS impact normally unless your CPU is bloody ancient, but even on something like a now ancient i7-4770k it should still be non issue in 99% of games, especially as games are almost always GPU bottlenecked and not CPU.

The biggest issue atm is lack of Linux support for systems like Steam Deck, but the game isn't even officially developed to support it as are almost no games that run on it so it isn't a huge matter to devs typically. Despite this, Capcom is looking to fix this for Steam Deck users they announced earlier today. Interestingly, Denuvo at least is also looking to add official Linux support they announced a little while back.


My biggest issues with these types of thought processes is putting the cart before the horse. Do I think DRM should really be getting added to such older games like Revelations? No, tbh I think that seems rather moot at this point but who am I to say. At least it likely wont bring any harm, statistically speaking from what we've seen. However, people are complaining pre-emptively about DRM with all these wild unproven assumptions and "what ifs" despite it not historically being an actual issue. Why not just relax until something "actually happens" and then complain? I don't mean being locked out for 8-48 hours from a game once every couple of years, either.
Sm4sh3D Jan 22, 2024 @ 4:52pm 
Originally posted by Habi:
Consoles win again. PC gaming is for losers. :steamsalty:
consoles ARE DRM. Enjoy your 30 fps and low res.

Thus said, if they add Enigma to RE4 as well, I'll put a negative review to every single game I purchased from them and I'm done paying to play their games.
sklnnysantos Jan 22, 2024 @ 8:20pm 
which games have they added DRM to ?
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