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Remake Leon is Sad, OG Leon is Chad.
Change my mind.

I never seen Leon smile even once in the remake.
Originally posted by ChiefMendez:
Originally posted by DistractedGamer:
Originally posted by Diamond Girls:
Change my mind.

I never seen Leon smile even once in the remake.
I dunno, it feels like to me- they where trying to return RE4 remake to survival horror, having a character as sarcastic and smiling as much as the OG Leon would feel kind of out of place to be honest.
Watch a good horror movie and you will see a whole range of emotions. Making your protagonist one-note depressed all the time is not what survival horror is. And this game is not survival horror, it's action horror. Also, Leon hardly smiled in the OG, he was just a badass chad instead of depressed emoboy who complains the whole game like nu leon.
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ChiefMendez Jan 4, 2024 @ 1:56pm 
He smiled at the end cinematic on the boat with Ashley and his face was so bad I wished he didn't.

But yeah, og Leon absolutely blown remake Leon the F out.
Last edited by ChiefMendez; Jan 4, 2024 @ 1:57pm
umeng2002 Jan 4, 2024 @ 2:58pm 
Capcom lied, people died.
ElectricMutt Jan 5, 2024 @ 12:21am 
He isn't a cashier or an onlyfans hoe. He's still cracking one-liners and shrugging off mutated cultists. I'd argue he's more of a gigachad than ever.

People tooting for the OG will also tell you the fixed aiming is superior to the remake. There's one guy on youtube who's made 3 essays on why the remake sucks. Enough already. There are actual bad and/or uninspired remakes out there like Final Fantasy VII

RE4remake isn't one of them and Leon is more of a gigachad now than he ever was.
Krypto Jan 5, 2024 @ 5:59am 
OG Leon was like a robot programmed for only two emotions: sarcastic and calm. He didn't feel like a real person at all.
2D神 Jan 5, 2024 @ 8:07am 
Different tones, different Leon. Remake Leon would not fit that misadventure OG 4 and OG Leon would not fit in remake serious tone.
Diamond Girls Jan 5, 2024 @ 8:12am 
Originally posted by ElectricMutt:
He isn't a cashier or an onlyfans hoe. He's still cracking one-liners and shrugging off mutated cultists. I'd argue he's more of a gigachad than ever.

People tooting for the OG will also tell you the fixed aiming is superior to the remake. There's one guy on youtube who's made 3 essays on why the remake sucks. Enough already. There are actual bad and/or uninspired remakes out there like Final Fantasy VII

RE4remake isn't one of them and Leon is more of a gigachad now than he ever was.
Final Fantasy 7 has bad remake? Seriously? I played it and it's one of the best remake ever made so far, and they made the characters consistent much like in the OG, especially Cloud.
Diamond Girls Jan 5, 2024 @ 8:13am 
Originally posted by Cutt:
He smiled at the end cinematic on the boat with Ashley and his face was so bad I wished he didn't.

But yeah, og Leon absolutely blown remake Leon the F out.
Haven't seen that. I'm still at Chapter 3 but even so I was expecting a single smile from Leon already.
ElfPrince1937 Jan 28, 2024 @ 8:55pm 
Originally posted by Krypto:
OG Leon was like a robot programmed for only two emotions: sarcastic and calm. He didn't feel like a real person at all.

I mean, he's snarky in this game, as well--the whole point is that by this point, Leon's a highly-trained government agent who can keep his cool in high-pressure and horrific combat situations.

The issue with Remake Leon though, imho, is that his "humor"...really isn't funny.

That's largely because Capcom made the Remake more serious and took out much of the original's "camp" factor, so what little humor there is just falls flat.

Consider the scene where Leon meets Salazar, for example:

OG:

Salazar: I have been expecting you, my brethren.

Leon: No thanks, bro!

Remake:

Salazar: You may call me Ramon.

Leon: Fat chance, Ramon!

Another good example in the OG is when Salazar tells Leon he's dispatched the Verdugo, his "right hand." Leon's response?

"Your right hand comes off?"

Like, a lot of Leon's smartassery in the OG was genuinely funny, and it helped to offset the horror elements. Here, we get one-liners like, "Sorry, must have slipped" every time Leon melee-kicks an enemy, which just feel...kind of shallow and empty, like they're not even trying, imho.
Last edited by ElfPrince1937; Jan 28, 2024 @ 8:56pm
Yea FFVII was a terrible remake. Maybe the master of terrible remakes.
Originally posted by Diamond Girls:
Originally posted by Cutt:
He smiled at the end cinematic on the boat with Ashley and his face was so bad I wished he didn't.

But yeah, og Leon absolutely blown remake Leon the F out.
Haven't seen that. I'm still at Chapter 3 but even so I was expecting a single smile from Leon already.
So you going to complain even though you haven't beaten the game yet. And what is there to smile about. He lost friends and had to babysit ashley.
Last edited by ↑↑↓↓←→←→BASelect; Jan 28, 2024 @ 9:29pm
ElfPrince1937 Jan 28, 2024 @ 9:44pm 
Originally posted by For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge:
what is there to smile about. He lost friends and had to babysit ashley.

I mean, I feel like that's a big part of Remake Leon's unlikability.

He's too dark, literally to the point of trauma.

This is again where we're seeing, frankly, the gaping hole left by Capcom shoveling out all the camp elements--specifically dialogue--and...not really filling it with anything because "darkness darkness horror seriousness trauma."

Like, in the OG you literally have Leon smirking and snarkily bantering with Hunnigan in their first conversation. See again also how he reacts to Salazar throughout the Castle area. He basically has that level of confidence you'd expect from a hardened soldier while also setting himself at ease in a horror situation by employing constant humor.

In the Remake, players more or less have it beaten into their heads that this is a horror game, and gosh darn it we better not forget it!

But just in case we do, Leon now not only can't crack a smile or be easy going--look at the super-intense way he wades into Luis--no, now he's also got survivor's guilt and lingering trauma on top of all that!

My personal opinion, but the entire "IT HAS TO BE DIFFERENT THIS TIME!" scene honestly felt ridiculously-dramatic and over-the-top. Whereas the OG freely laughed at itself, the Remake very much takes itself too seriously, with this scene in particular being the perfect example.

Now, I said "my personal opinion," because hey, maybe other people genuinely enjoy that darker feel. Good for them.

But imho, when the protagonist himself is this perpetually-moody, it starts to make me, the player, depressed to the point where it literally impacts my gameplay.

Like, why should I even care about staying alive when the guy I'm controlling clearly doesn't?
Last edited by ElfPrince1937; Jan 28, 2024 @ 9:47pm
Originally posted by Darkgamester301:
Originally posted by For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge:
what is there to smile about. He lost friends and had to babysit ashley.

I mean, I feel like that's a big part of Remake Leon's unlikability.

He's too dark, literally to the point of trauma.

This is again where we're seeing, frankly, the gaping hole left by Capcom shoveling out all the camp elements--specifically dialogue--and...not really filling it with anything because "darkness darkness horror seriousness trauma."

Like, in the OG you literally have Leon smirking and snarkily bantering with Hunnigan in their first conversation. See again also how he reacts to Salazar throughout the Castle area. He basically has that level of confidence you'd expect from a hardened soldier while also setting himself at ease in a horror situation by employing constant humor.

In the Remake, players more or less have it beaten into their heads that this is a horror game, and gosh darn it we better not forget it! But just in case we do, Leon now not only can't crack a smile or be easy going--look at the super-intense way he wades into Luis--no, now he's also got survivor's guilt and lingering trauma on top of all that!

Maybe other people genuinely enjoy that darker feel, but it's honestly kind of depressing at times.

Because frankly, when the protagonist himself is this perpetually-moody, it starts to make me, the player, depressed to the point where it literally impacts my gameplay.

Like, why should I even care about staying alive when the guy I'm controlling clearly doesn't?
See if you make jokes and be all happy go lucky when they killed your friends and have to babysit a total stuck up brat.
ElfPrince1937 Jan 28, 2024 @ 9:56pm 
Originally posted by For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge:
See if you make jokes and be all happy go lucky when they killed your friends and have to babysit a total stuck up brat.

Except Leon was never "happy go lucky" even in the OG. In both games we clearly see him mourning people who die before his eyes (Luis) as well as being enraged at his enemies ("Monsters...guess after this, there'll be one less to worry about," "Saddler, you bastard!").

The difference, if anything, is that OG Leon wasn't angry and bitter all the time. There was that balance where one moment he's mocking Saddler for having a "senior moment" and the next shouting at him for blasting poor Mike out of the sky.

Ironically, it's the Remake that actually seems to portray him as only ever being in one emotional state without much variety.
Last edited by ElfPrince1937; Jan 28, 2024 @ 9:57pm
Originally posted by Darkgamester301:
Originally posted by For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge:
See if you make jokes and be all happy go lucky when they killed your friends and have to babysit a total stuck up brat.

Except Leon was never "happy go lucky" even in the OG. In both games we clearly see him mourning people who die before his eyes (Luis) as well as being enraged at his enemies ("Monsters...guess after this, there'll be one less to worry about," "Saddler, you bastard!").

The difference, if anything, is that OG Leon wasn't angry and bitter all the time. There was that balance where one moment he's mocking Saddler for having a "senior moment" and the next shouting at him for blasting poor Mike out of the sky.

Ironically, it's the Remake that actually seems to portray him as only ever being in one emotional state without much variety.

Only norman bates smiles as he kills people.
ChiefMendez Jan 29, 2024 @ 1:26am 
Originally posted by Darkgamester301:
Originally posted by For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge:
See if you make jokes and be all happy go lucky when they killed your friends and have to babysit a total stuck up brat.

Except Leon was never "happy go lucky" even in the OG. In both games we clearly see him mourning people who die before his eyes (Luis) as well as being enraged at his enemies ("Monsters...guess after this, there'll be one less to worry about," "Saddler, you bastard!").

The difference, if anything, is that OG Leon wasn't angry and bitter all the time. There was that balance where one moment he's mocking Saddler for having a "senior moment" and the next shouting at him for blasting poor Mike out of the sky.

Ironically, it's the Remake that actually seems to portray him as only ever being in one emotional state without much variety.
I have to applaud you for your incredible posts, it's what I've been saying for months. There IS humor is both games...difference is remake's humor just plain suck - it's not funny, it's creatively bankrupt, it falls flat 90% of the time. And the feeling you get from Leon is that he's doing a huge chore that he hates - as if he's tasked with paperwork on a friday evening by his boss at work. He's constantly complaining throughout the whole game how he hates everything that's happening. This inevitably leads you AS A PLAYER who assumes the role of Leon feel the same way. If the main protagonist you're playing as constantly proclaims how he doesn't enjoy what's happening - you will feel the same way.

One example of this: the seweres where you meet Verdugo. When you're walking through it scary music starts playing and you hear Verdugo's footsteps getting closer and closer. You're stressed and scared. Suddenly Verdugo shows up and what's Leon's reaction? "Ugh you're kidding me..." Immediaetly breaking the immersion and spoiling the moment because of a huge dissonance between how you the player feel and Leon's reaction.

It's obvious the dialogue writer and dialogue director had no clue what they were doing. This could work in a movie where you don't assosiate yourself with the character, but not in a single player videogame where you ARE the protagonist.

Original RE4 understood this. Leon was a badass, enjoying himself as the super skilled special agent he was. AND IN TURN, you the player were enjoying playing the game, being in-tune with what was happening on the screen and how you felt playing the game.
Last edited by ChiefMendez; Jan 29, 2024 @ 1:28am
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