Lore dialogue confusion within Operation Javier

[TTV_Liljoethemaster]

So this kind of topic I wanted to put out prior from the OG and Darkside Chronicles is that the dialogue what I would plan to say is that for the remake, they kind of change the perspective from the OG is that even though Krauser and Leon's backstory was kind of more serious and foreboding before the remake takes place differently to its own tone and it felt like they put that kind of moody type of personality for them both and I can see different comparisons when Leon's was himself on the OG and Krauser being more cliche to bring back Umbrella and I felt like the script direction being canon but more different to the dialogue approach to it cause I feel kind of confused even though I understand what Capcom is doing but I felt slightly picky on my mind cause the tone, script, and direction was very unique and different. I don't know if someone can relate to me in this kind of way how did they run it like that. I'm willing to hear any statements right or wrong considered.

[LazyAmerican]

best not to look too closely at RE lore....zombies get out, evil corporations, one guy goes rogue and becomes Agent Smith, superhero cast stop him, FIN

[Coleco_84]

I dont think Operation Javier is canon...the Operation Javier we played in Darkside Chronicles, I mean.

[Zergem]

Yeah, the Operation Javier mentioned in the remake sounds waaaaay different from what happened in the actual game.

[MaiyagyGery]

Operation Javier in DC are about Leon and Krauser to handle Javier Hidalgo to save Manuela Hidalgo, while in the remake it was kinda like operation that involving lots of soldier being directed by Krauser and Leon which took lots of life because goverment were doing wrong or something and Krauser hated it and wants to take revenge.
It is indeed really different.

[Coleco_84]

Originally posted by MaiyagyGery:

Operation Javier in DC are about Leon and Krauser to handle Javier Hidalgo to save Manuela Hidalgo, while in the remake it was kinda like operation that involving lots of soldier being directed by Krauser and Leon which took lots of life because goverment were doing wrong or something and Krauser hated it and wants to take revenge.
It is indeed really different.

From what he said, sounded like black ops, and the goverment left them to die (reason why Leon though Krauser was dead), Krauser lost his entire unity, reason why he went "full Vergil" and decided to join the Iluminados to get power...he never worked for Wesker like in the OG, either.

[Bansheebutt]

The script for Darkside Chronicles was probably written in a month during someone's smoke break.

Beyond that, for all intents and purposes, the remake/RE7 universe is its own thing, so capcom could establish a definitive timeline. Nothing from a pre-re7 game should be assumed canon. Certainly not the tone, which is one of the biggest changes in the remakes.

Really this is a tradition for the franchise; There is yet to be a canonical version of Resident Evil 1. You can't experience in-game what is supposed to have happened in-lore.

[Coleco_84]

Originally posted by Bansheebutt:

The script for Darkside Chronicles was probably written in a month during someone's smoke break.

Beyond that, for all intents and purposes, the remake/RE7 universe is its own thing, so capcom could establish a definitive timeline. Nothing from a pre-re7 game should be assumed canon. Certainly not the tone, which is one of the biggest changes in the remakes.

Really this is a tradition for the franchise; There is yet to be a canonical version of Resident Evil 1. You can't experience in-game what is supposed to have happened in-lore.

Exactly. This is the reason why they need to remake CV before remaking 5, although I doubt they'll do it...however, I think a remake of REmake might happen in the future, and I think it will be a mix of RE1 and RE0 stories (another game that I highly doubt they are even remaking).

[Nedly Dedly]

Originally posted by Bansheebutt:

The script for Darkside Chronicles was probably written in a month during someone's smoke break.

Beyond that, for all intents and purposes, the remake/RE7 universe is its own thing, so capcom could establish a definitive timeline. Nothing from a pre-re7 game should be assumed canon. Certainly not the tone, which is one of the biggest changes in the remakes.

Really this is a tradition for the franchise; There is yet to be a canonical version of Resident Evil 1. You can't experience in-game what is supposed to have happened in-lore.

Now this is just hogwash. Just because remakes drastically change some things lore- and tone-wise, it doesn't mean that pre-RE7 games should be considered non-canon all of a sudden. Have that been the case, Capcom would have stated so.

As for the Operation Javier, its main aspects seem to be pretty much canon, but RE4 Remake introduced some drastic differences from how it was portrayed in Darkside Chronicles, such as there being a whole unit instead of just Leon and Krauser and the U.S. government being shady and leaving them and their unit for dead in the Amparo. While RE series isn't a place where you should look for realism, a unit being sent there actually makes way more sense, because no matter how badass they are, it's dumb as ♥♥♥♥ to send just two guys against a powerful drug lord, especially when you have reports of something strange happening after a former Umbrella researcher enters the scene.

[Coleco_84]

Originally posted by Nedly Dedly:

Originally posted by Bansheebutt:

The script for Darkside Chronicles was probably written in a month during someone's smoke break.

Beyond that, for all intents and purposes, the remake/RE7 universe is its own thing, so capcom could establish a definitive timeline. Nothing from a pre-re7 game should be assumed canon. Certainly not the tone, which is one of the biggest changes in the remakes.

Really this is a tradition for the franchise; There is yet to be a canonical version of Resident Evil 1. You can't experience in-game what is supposed to have happened in-lore.

Now this is just hogwash. Just because remakes drastically change some things lore- and tone-wise, it doesn't mean that pre-RE7 games should be considered non-canon all of a sudden (at least the events). Have that been the case, Capcom would have stated so.

As for the Operation Javier, its main aspects seem to be pretty much canon, but RE4 Remake introduced some drastic differences from how it was portrayed in Darkside Chronicles, such as there being a whole unit instead of just Leon and Krauser and the U.S. government being shady and leaving them and their unit for dead in the Amparo. While RE series isn't a place where you should look for realism, a unit being sent there actually makes way more sense, because no matter how badass they are, it's dumb as ♥♥♥♥ to send just two guys against a powerful drug lord, especially when you have reports of something strange happening after a former Umbrella researcher enters the scene.

To use Marvel terms, every RE game after 7 takes place in a different "timeline", this includes the remakes...REmake 1 is in a really odd place, it is a remake, but takes place in the older "timeline".
Capcom is trying to have the same tone and narrative in the entire franchise, so the remakes of 2, 3, and 4 take place in the same "timeline" as 7 and 8, with characters making some references to past titles as gags ("boulder-punchin ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥", "complete local saturation", etc).

[Nedly Dedly]

Originally posted by Coleco_84:

Originally posted by Nedly Dedly:

Now this is just hogwash. Just because remakes drastically change some things lore- and tone-wise, it doesn't mean that pre-RE7 games should be considered non-canon all of a sudden (at least the events). Have that been the case, Capcom would have stated so.

As for the Operation Javier, its main aspects seem to be pretty much canon, but RE4 Remake introduced some drastic differences from how it was portrayed in Darkside Chronicles, such as there being a whole unit instead of just Leon and Krauser and the U.S. government being shady and leaving them and their unit for dead in the Amparo. While RE series isn't a place where you should look for realism, a unit being sent there actually makes way more sense, because no matter how badass they are, it's dumb as ♥♥♥♥ to send just two guys against a powerful drug lord, especially when you have reports of something strange happening after a former Umbrella researcher enters the scene.

To use Marvel terms, every RE game after 7 takes place in a different "timeline", this includes the remakes...REmake 1 is in a really odd place, it is a remake, but takes place in the older "timeline".
Capcom is trying to have the same tone and narrative in the entire franchise, so the remakes of 2, 3, and 4 take place in the same "timeline" as 7 and 8, with characters making some references to past titles as gags ("boulder-punchin ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥", "complete local saturation", etc).

This is not how it works. In case with DC and Marvel there are multiverses, altered universes, alternate universes and what not. With RE it's not like that, there is prime (canon) timeline and non-canon timeline. Remakes update and change various things, yes, but whether the tone or something else had changed or not, the previous canon games in the series do not automatically become non-canon. It's like saying that RE Remake makes the original RE1 non-canon.

[Coleco_84]

Originally posted by Nedly Dedly:

Originally posted by Coleco_84:

To use Marvel terms, every RE game after 7 takes place in a different "timeline", this includes the remakes...REmake 1 is in a really odd place, it is a remake, but takes place in the older "timeline".
Capcom is trying to have the same tone and narrative in the entire franchise, so the remakes of 2, 3, and 4 take place in the same "timeline" as 7 and 8, with characters making some references to past titles as gags ("boulder-punchin ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥", "complete local saturation", etc).

This is not how it works. In case with DC and Marvel there are multiverses, altered universes, alternate universes and what not. With RE it's not like that, there is prime (canon) timeline and non-canon timeline. Remakes update and change various things, yes, but whether the tone or something else had changed or not, the previous canon games in the series do not automatically become non-canon. It's like saying that RE Remake makes the original RE1 non-canon.

Except REmake 1 made RE1 non-canon...
Expect future remakes to reference the Amber and Mother Miranda

[Nedly Dedly]

Originally posted by Coleco_84:

Originally posted by Nedly Dedly:

This is not how it works. In case with DC and Marvel there are multiverses, altered universes, alternate universes and what not. With RE it's not like that, there is prime (canon) timeline and non-canon timeline. Remakes update and change various things, yes, but whether the tone or something else had changed or not, the previous canon games in the series do not automatically become non-canon. It's like saying that RE Remake makes the original RE1 non-canon.

Except REmake 1 made RE1 non-canon...
Expect future remakes to reference the Amber and Mother Miranda

You can say that it made the way the events are portrayed non-canon, but it didn't make the game per se non-canon.

Just because remakes and newer entries make changes, intoduce new things and retell differently some events from the lore, it doesn't mean that any previous canon games in the series automatically become non-canon. While we are at it, original RE and even RE: Remake don't even have a canon ending, since we know that all four surviving STARS members made it out of the mansion, but at best you can achieve the ending in which three out of four make it out. Doesn't mean that any of the two games are non-canon.