The Silver Ghost: A Shadow of Its Former Self

[Mythic V]

Before I start this, I just want to say the Remake is great overall. With that being said, handguns specifically are too unbalanced now. In the original game, the Red 9 and the Black Tail were the best options for people with poor aim. They did high damage, but had low crit. Choosing between these two depended on if you wanted more inventory space, wanted to save more ammo by using less shots, or wanted to have the fastest overall DPS when factoring in firing speed with damage. However, for people with good aim and especially on later difficulties, the Silver Ghost was objectively the best handgun for normal enemies that could be hit with criticals. The critical rate on the gun was absolutely monstrous when fully upgraded to the point it eclipsed the other handguns. The balancing act for this was of course the fact that you needed to be good at hitting headshots, even when enemies are moving around in their stagger animation, and the fact that the other two guns were better for enemies with helmets or some mutations. Though overall, you'd want to just use other guns that aren't handguns for those enemies. The Silver Ghost overall though came out on top IF you were good at aiming. That and positioning yourself to where you won't need a melee to get i-frames to get evade damage, since meleeing is not something reliable on the Silver Ghost. Oh, and the Punisher sucked and still sucks.

Now in the remake, both the Silver Ghost and Sentinel-Nine (which has its same crit bonus exclusive upgrade) have ♥♥♥♥ critical rate that make them completely inferior to the Red 9 and Black Tail. Now it's just those two to pick between. This is really disappointing since the Silver Ghost and Sentinel-Nine look great, while the Black Tail to me looks meh and the Red 9 looks like ♥♥♥♥. But it also literally just makes three of the five handguns completely useless when compared to the other two. And criticals were more fun than just dealing raw damage in my opinion.

Anyways, I doubt this will be fixed, but the Silver Ghost needs to be restored to its original stats. Either do the same for the Sentinel-Nine or give it its own unique ♥♥♥♥ for yet another style of play. I'd say fix the Punisher, but that ♥♥♥♥ will always be a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ gimmick weapon that acts as a newbie trap (no offense).

[ggAkatsukiP]

Punisher not need any fix. Its fixed by having other weapons doing what it can't do. If you have multiple weapons doing the same job, you might as well just pick one of them only
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2951076538

[Mythic V]

Originally posted by ggAkatsukiP:

Punisher not need any fix. Its fixed by having other weapons doing what it can't do. If you have multiple weapons doing the same job, you might as well just pick one of them only
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2951076538

Its specialty is useless compared to other handguns though. Doing something different doesn't automatically make it good or needed.

Originally posted by Munithe EXT:

Apparently it works a lot better on pro.

I played a bit on pro and didn't see much of a difference, but I plan to actually do a full playthrough and check the specific details on how things work soon. So far though, not impressed sadly.

[Tenshu]

Still crits like a dream for me, here's hoping Mercenaries has its silencer as a reward.

[critter]

you have no idea what you are talking about, especially in regards to the punisher.

[Mixed Herbs]

I've had really good luck with crits personally, gotta pray to RNGesus. Also, the Punisher is legit a contender for best pistol this time around, I had a sneaking suspicion that penetration would be much better in the remake and it's rang very true. Good reload speed, 2nd fastest pistol and great capacity, the slight damage hit just makes it on par with the Sentinel 9 and really ain't that bad.

[ggAkatsukiP]

Originally posted by Mixed Herbs:

I've had really good luck with crits personally, gotta pray to RNGesus. Also, the Punisher is legit a contender for best pistol this time around, I had a sneaking suspicion that penetration would be much better in the remake and it's rang very true. Good reload speed, 2nd fastest pistol and great capacity, the slight damage hit just makes it on par with the Sentinel 9 and really ain't that bad.

Punisher also taken the top #1 spot of budget pistol in re4make. Og re4 its taken by Silver Ghost at full upgrade price of 190k only.

Re4make, SG09R takes 304k to all max + exclusive, while Punisher only takes 279k. That being said, SG09R is still not too shabby because its still #2 spot on budget pistol. #3 is taken by Sentinel Nine at 321k.

[Xengre]

I've had pretty good luck with crits on the Sentinel 9, myself, but would definitely like to see some quality testing done. I've seen lots of other people report great crit rates but others reporting very poor crit rates... I wonder if there could be a glitch causing underperorming crit RNG similar to the glitch with higher framerates causing faster fire rates for weapons.

[VESPA5]

Yeah, I could pretty much say the same with the Red 9. I noticed that even a fully maxed out Red 9 (with 1.5x damage multiplier perk) isn't as obviously OP like it was in RE4 original. Not complaining. It's an observation that's all

[Titan]

All of the handguns are good in this game. If anything, the Red-9 is the absolute worst one with it's absurd weapon bloom. The SG-09 maxed out is still insanely good.

[DreamPod9]

Punisher sucks? Cause fully upgraded I'm wrecking just about everything on Hardcore. I've found every hand gun that can't have the red dot sucks, the spread is god awful unless you take time to let the reticle sight up with your target. And on Hardcore when you're being swarmed or ran up on quickly, you don't have time for that ♥♥♥♥. And you're swarmed and ran up on quickly 95% of the time. So that mixed with the Punishers penetration fully upgraded, every time I switch to try a new gun I end up going right back to the Punisher.

[Titan]

Originally posted by DreamPod9:

Punisher sucks? Cause fully upgraded I'm wrecking just about everything on Hardcore. I've found every hand gun that can't have the red dot sucks, the spread is god awful unless you take time to let the reticle sight up with your target. And on Hardcore when you're being swarmed or ran up on quickly, you don't have time for that ♥♥♥♥. And you're swarmed and ran up on quickly 95% of the time. So that mixed with the Punishers penetration fully upgraded, every time I switch to try a new gun I end up going right back to the Punisher.

The ones without laser sights aren't bad at all. That said, the Punisher is also incredibly good, potentially the best handgun in the game. Anyone claiming it's bad are just plainly wrong.

[Mythic V]

Originally posted by Titan:

All of the handguns are good in this game. If anything, the Red-9 is the absolute worst one with it's absurd weapon bloom. The SG-09 maxed out is still insanely good.

The Red 9's bloom is fixed with the stock. It actually feels stronger than even the original one, but I can't fully confirm on that. The Punisher being a budget gun doesn't make it good. Saying it is good compared to other handguns is blatantly wrong in both the OG and the Remake. I'm surprised anyone here is even defending it. This discussion was mainly about the crit guns.

Originally posted by DreamPod9:

Punisher sucks? Cause fully upgraded I'm wrecking just about everything on Hardcore. I've found every hand gun that can't have the red dot sucks, the spread is god awful unless you take time to let the reticle sight up with your target. And on Hardcore when you're being swarmed or ran up on quickly, you don't have time for that ♥♥♥♥. And you're swarmed and ran up on quickly 95% of the time. So that mixed with the Punishers penetration fully upgraded, every time I switch to try a new gun I end up going right back to the Punisher.

You can wreck anything in this game with any weapon. It's just that the Punisher comes up massively short compared to other weapons. It sucks in comparison to other handguns. It doesn't suck as a standalone weapon when not comparing it to the others.

Also, the reticle thing is preference. The bloom doesn't really make shots that much more inaccurate, just less obvious where to aim without memorizing where the shot would normally go. I can hit constant headshots with reticle bloom at a good range. The advantage of the reticle is that you will always know precisely where your general aim is at, while you can get somewhat lost with the laser sight. The laser sight's advantage however is that there is no bloom, so if you are aiming at an enemy, you know with 100% certainty where the shot will go without memorization. Me personally? I prefer the reticle, but I like both.

And hey, if you like the Punisher and it fits what you want to do, go for it. Glad someone enjoys it at least.

[Akutare]

Originally posted by Mythic V:

The laser sight's advantage however is that there is no bloom

I keep hearing that it also makes the crit chance maxed (of its actual value I mean, not guaranteed crits) at all times since it only gets its highest crit chance when the reticule is fully zeroed in, still don't know if that's rumor/false information though

[TopBadger]

Originally posted by DreamPod9:

Punisher sucks? Cause fully upgraded I'm wrecking just about everything on Hardcore. I've found every hand gun that can't have the red dot sucks, the spread is god awful unless you take time to let the reticle sight up with your target. And on Hardcore when you're being swarmed or ran up on quickly, you don't have time for that ♥♥♥♥. And you're swarmed and ran up on quickly 95% of the time. So that mixed with the Punishers penetration fully upgraded, every time I switch to try a new gun I end up going right back to the Punisher.

I used the punisher to get through professional mode, op has no idea how good this handgun is.

[Mythic V]

Originally posted by TopBadger:

Originally posted by DreamPod9:

Punisher sucks? Cause fully upgraded I'm wrecking just about everything on Hardcore. I've found every hand gun that can't have the red dot sucks, the spread is god awful unless you take time to let the reticle sight up with your target. And on Hardcore when you're being swarmed or ran up on quickly, you don't have time for that ♥♥♥♥. And you're swarmed and ran up on quickly 95% of the time. So that mixed with the Punishers penetration fully upgraded, every time I switch to try a new gun I end up going right back to the Punisher.

I used the punisher to get through professional mode, op has no idea how good this handgun is.

Again, you can make any weapon usable. That doesn't mean it's good in comparison to other guns. You can solo professional with a knife. Doesn't make the knife better or as good as top-tier guns.