Which handgun to focus on?

[sspncr]

Unsure if I should commit to silver ghost starting pistol with laser or Red9 with stock. What did you guys choose?

[Malecite]

Originally posted by *D4rKsKy*:

Originally posted by Horstmann:

I'm always torn between the Red 9 and the SG-09 R.
The Red 9 has superior Firepower and is slightly slower, while the other has a great Crit chance and otherwise rather low stats.
But i generally tend to prefer reliability over chance.

This. U dont need a laser on any pistol if u good with the mouse ;)

There is something called objective vs subjective reality.

Trying to say that objectively having 100% accuracy isn't useful because subjectively your experience with the Red 9 is better, is absolutely stupid.

You can do well with any of the guns, the thread is about which performs better, your opinion isn't back stopped by anything except sentiment.

[*D4rKsKy*]

Originally posted by Soren:

Originally posted by Malecite:

Apparently his personal opinion trumps reality.

The reality is the Red 9 got nerfed hard in the remake and is likely the worst performing gun out of all of them. It's worse in every way except damage while taking up an absurd amount of space. The lack of the laser sight is also a severe downgrade. You could also say that the laser sight is also overpowered considering it removes all spread from the gun.

It's not the worst in all metrics. Damage is important because damage saves ammo. It's got the third highest damage on average in the game. Making it decent if damage is your end goal. But that's just like the OG in which it only had the second highest damage average and was outclassed by the default handgun in that one too.

Dude if u ever used mouse and keybord? the red9 still outshines any handgun in the remake if your aim is proper. U blow them heads off like a fire cracker and thats it. Just with 2 or 3 hits. And thats the end of them mobs.

[Metadragon]

Well having just beat the game on hardcore, I say the Red 9 with the exclusive upgrade. 2 or 3 shotting enemies regardless of where I hit them was really a godsend on that difficulty. It was mostly what kept me alive through most content besides the bosses in which the shotgun (870 or riot gun, the striker is garbage) and whichever magnum you prefer for bosses.

They all come out kinda samey once fully upgraded. Then the choice becomes more crits (the starter), penetration (Punisher), Damage (Red 9), DPS (Matilda) or accuracy and fast reload (Blacktail, bonus with small size).

But at the end of the day damage per round is the end game on harder difficulties and you'll be swerving lots of enemies anyway but when you do dish out damage you want as much as you can.

[Soren]

Originally posted by Malecite:

Originally posted by *D4rKsKy*:

This. U dont need a laser on any pistol if u good with the mouse ;)

There is something called objective vs subjective reality.

Trying to say that objectively having 100% accuracy isn't useful because subjectively your experience with the Red 9 is better, is absolutely stupid.

You can do well with any of the guns, the thread is about which performs better, your opinion isn't back stopped by anything except sentiment.

Not to mention, the menu tips suggest being more focused in increases the crit rate. Doesn't that mean the crit rate is automatically a bit higher the moment you equip the laser sight (unless you're waiting 5 seconds for the full accuracy/crit buff on all your shots of course)?

[*D4rKsKy*]

Originally posted by Metadragon: Destroyer of Hope:

Well having just beat the game on hardcore, I say the Red 9 with the exclusive upgrade. 2 or 3 shotting enemies regardless of where I hit them was really a godsend on that difficulty. It was mostly what kept me alive through most content besides the bosses in which the shotgun (870 or riot gun, the striker is garbage) and whichever magnum you prefer for bosses.

This guy knows. Personal opinions ofcourse still but he knows ;)

[Malecite]

Originally posted by *D4rKsKy*:

Originally posted by Soren:

It's not the worst in all metrics. Damage is important because damage saves ammo. It's got the third highest damage on average in the game. Making it decent if damage is your end goal. But that's just like the OG in which it only had the second highest damage average and was outclassed by the default handgun in that one too.

Dude if u ever used mouse and keybord? the red9 still outshines any handgun in the remake if your aim is proper. U blow them heads off like a fire cracker and thats it. Just with 2 or 3 hits. And thats the end of them mobs.

Yes I am on a PC, I have no problem aiming whatsoever, the laser sight removes the accuracy spread on the gun which is huge. The crit chance of the sentinel also means enemies don't respawn as a plagas which you seem to constantly ignore.

But hey just t keep repeating that you are really good with the Red 9, that's the best possible argument.

[Malecite]

Originally posted by Soren:

Originally posted by Malecite:

There is something called objective vs subjective reality.

Trying to say that objectively having 100% accuracy isn't useful because subjectively your experience with the Red 9 is better, is absolutely stupid.

You can do well with any of the guns, the thread is about which performs better, your opinion isn't back stopped by anything except sentiment.

Not to mention, the menu tips suggest being more focused in increases the crit rate. Doesn't that mean the crit rate is automatically a bit higher the moment you equip the laser sight (unless you're waiting 5 seconds for the full accuracy/crit buff on all your shots of course)?

I have read that the laser sight increases crit rate but I can't confirm that other than to say the gun seems to perform far better with the sight than without.

[*D4rKsKy*]

Originally posted by Malecite:

Originally posted by *D4rKsKy*:

Dude if u ever used mouse and keybord? the red9 still outshines any handgun in the remake if your aim is proper. U blow them heads off like a fire cracker and thats it. Just with 2 or 3 hits. And thats the end of them mobs.

Yes I am on a PC, I have no problem aiming whatsoever, the laser sight removes the accuracy spread on the gun which is huge. The crit chance of the sentinel also means enemies don't respawn as a plagas which you seem to constantly ignore.

But hey just t keep repeating that you are really good with the Red 9, that's the best possible argument.

No offense i like what u said but cmon dude the red9 is still overkill on pistols even on pro mode. Mobs head explode like a birthday cake.

[Soren]

Originally posted by *D4rKsKy*:

Dude if u ever used mouse and keybord? the red9 still outshines any handgun in the remake if your aim is proper. U blow them heads off like a fire cracker and thats it. Just with 2 or 3 hits. And thats the end of them mobs.

I've used mouse and keyboard for most games I play on the PC. Ironically the OG RE4 I prefer playing with a controller just because the tank controls specifically.

Only time the Red9 outclasses the default handgun is before the exclusive upgrade. After that crit chance, the Red9 has less damage per shot on average against normal mobs. Especially when you consider las plagas spawns. What's more, when you first get the Red9, that spread hurts even if you are aiming center on their weakspot/head. You'll need to pace your shots to focus accuracy if they aren't within spitting distance. It's fine if the target is big (like the El Gigante). Not so fine if you're trying to snipe his tentacle off his back from the front for example.

[*D4rKsKy*]

Originally posted by Soren:

Originally posted by *D4rKsKy*:

Dude if u ever used mouse and keybord? the red9 still outshines any handgun in the remake if your aim is proper. U blow them heads off like a fire cracker and thats it. Just with 2 or 3 hits. And thats the end of them mobs.

I've used mouse and keyboard for most games I play on the PC. Ironically the OG RE4 I prefer playing with a controller just because the tank controls specifically.

Only time the Red9 outclasses the default handgun is before the exclusive upgrade. After that crit chance, the Red9 has less damage per shot on average against normal mobs. Especially when you consider las plagas spawns. What's more, when you first get the Red9, that spread hurts even if you are aiming center on their weakspot/head. You'll need to pace your shots to focus accuracy if they aren't within spitting distance. It's fine if the target is big (like the El Gigante). Not so fine if you're trying to snipe his tentacle off his back from the front for example.

Exclusive upgrade and red 9 is a beast. Sentinel 9 cannot beat that even if its a deluxe or bonus weapon. Mind u i also got the sentinel 9 i ditched it eventually. Even when maxed the red 9 beats it.

[QwertyX]

Blacktail. Best fire rate

[Xengre]

Originally posted by ToveriJuri:

Originally posted by Xengre:

Don't use pistols for bosses please... not unless you are totally screwed on ammo. Use proper weapons for proper situations.

Dude... He just said he's on a minimalist run, which means he has no other choice but to use handguns for most situations and then you go on a full rant on how different weapons are great for different use cases. Yeah that point is true, if you have the option to use different weapons, he doesn't.

I completely missed that despite it being the first sentence of their response. :( oops my bad

Sorry Soren.

The Sentinel 9/HG should, in theory, be superior dmg for bosses over Red 9 as crits will still work on it but someone would have to test to figure out just how big the crits are to verify if this is true and by how much of a margin. Ex, if a crit occurs for 20 dmg at a 25% rate then in theory 2x3 + 20 would be 26 dmg or 6.5 Dmg per bullet on avg. However, that is just an example as I have no idea what the crit dmg value actually is here. How big the gap would be depends on actual crit multiplier and crit rate which are not tested beyond normal mobs. Something worth considering testing and possibly comparing how many pistol rounds used over the course of 2-3 runs of the boss with 1 gun vs another and, of course, accuracy on those hits matter.

I suppose a minimalist run would see you using the Punisher as well for mob control since you can't use sniper for the same role, assuming enough targets are lined up.

[Lamaboie]

Getting lots of mileage out of the punisher.

[tallgeese]

I like to use the Punisher because it's one of the weaker handguns but it's good when you are getting swarm.

Low damage = enemies don't die as fast = more opportunities for kicks and suplexes.

[ggAkatsukiP]

Originally posted by Xengre:

The Sentinel 9/HG should, in theory, be superior dmg for bosses over Red 9 as crits will still work on it

Pretty much the reason Killer7 has 5x crit exclusive just like SG09R/Sentinel Nine, crit should work on boss as well.