The Gameplay is HORRIBLE in this game !!!

[DENIS_Biomechanoid 🍑]

Before you say anything, I wanted to like this game. There are a lot of things to like about it.
I absolutely loved Mercenaries - the best mercenaries mode ever since that 3DS mercenaries game.
And I didn’t want it to be exactly like the OG RE4 - I played through it like 30 times already even back in the day on that godawful original Ubisoft PC release that didn’t even have mouse aiming (!)
I wanted this game to be better than original, especially when it comes to gameplay mechanics, but what I’ve got is “EVIL WITHIN 2”, BUT WORSE”
A lot of these issues can be fixed with balance patches, and I WANT them fixed. I do not hate this game and I want it to improve, that is why I am writing this post.

I would only recommend buying the remake on a steep sale, because the main shooting mechanics feel awful compared to the OG.
For now I would recommend playing “Resident Evil Revelations 2”, or “Evil Within” 1 and 2 instead, if you haven't already played them, or the OG 2005 game with RE4 UHD Project, which is AMAZING (I recommend disabling QTE's and enabling RE5 movement in options which can be accessed by pressing F1 in-game)

Here is a “short” breakdown of everything that is wrong with this game:

• horrible bloom on guns coupled with weapon sway, game punishes you for even just moving crosshairs!!! Focus-aim is worthless - because of increased aggression of the enemies you cannot simply stand your ground anywhere
  
• new omnidirectional movement is great, but Leon has an awful inertia and constantly turn towards enemy even if you don't want him to
  
• enemy stun is based on damage, on pro you can shoot an enemy five times in the face without stunning them
  
• enemies stun you way too much (torch a-holes, molotov a-holes, gloria las plagas)
  
• stealth is serviceable, but button prompts require a very specifics positioning and if you miss them you are stuck in a useless slash animation instead
  
• commanding ashley to spread out is useless/detrimental and your command ALWAYS defaults to it on separation
  
• sound effects are less satisfying and have much less clarity (head explosion), supplex or getting grabbed from behind no longer explodes heads
  
• most enemies never announce their presence or their intention to attack (crossbow enemies), death sounds and animations are indistinct (Garadors especially)
  
• unarmed enemies are now the most dangerous in the game, their grabs damage you on frame one, even if you are grabbed from behind
  
• inconsistent enemy health and player invincibility frames when interacting with objects and ladders (weapon/unarmed attacks), no invincibility on ladders, when vaulting fences or jumping off ledges
  
• fire grenades removed from the game, small nades are WORTHLESS and have garbage hitboxes
  
• Red9 is the worst handgun in the game (bloom is awful stock or no stock), Blacktail is the best now, SMGs are worthless as a weapon class in general because of horrible accuracy (At least you can attach scope to LE5)
  
• too many money sinks to encourage pay-to-win DLC (knife/armor repairs)
  
• despite trying to be more grounded, some sequences like el gigante rock throwing sequence feel more ridiculous than anything from the OG game!
  
• roundhouse kicking 5 enemies is impossible now, grouping them up is effectively impossible because they are now teleporting to catch up with you constantly (especially noticeable in the bell-ringing sequence, Dr. Salvador (chainsaw dude) literally teleports around)
  
• new soundtrack sucks, og soundtrack is DLC and doesn't always fits well (bug theme of the OG OST starts playing right after Mike's death)
  
• smaller, more linear areas so PS4 doesn't explode
  
• better backstory and motivation but horrible voice-acting, cutscene direction and script, (Luis/Salazar GREAT, Leon/Ashley/Mike/Merchant fine, Krauser/Sadler/Wesker/Ada/Mendez are GODAWFUL), there is almost no back and forth with villains and most of them lack charisma to be intimidating
  
• (+) interactions between Leon and Ashley are much better now and she is a lot more useful in general (does not require health items, runs at light speed when behind you and sometimes even teleports, helps in some fights), Leon talks to Ashley and constantly reassures, checks up on her - not as good as TLOU Part 1, but really nice compared to the original where Leon never said anything during gameplay, even after Mendez fight or when stopping Ashley from banging on her cell door
  
• Leon/Merchant now talk WAY too much. Leon during gameplay now constantly repeats the same voicelines over and over again when fighting enemies and it becomes annoying even on your first walkthrough
  
• enemies have a leash range, which makes them cheesable in many areas
  
• game is less scary than og RE4 (village ambiance, verdugo fight, fighting invisible novistadors)
  
• (+) beartraps don't deal damage to you, but can be used against enemies now - kicking a regular ganado stuck in a beartrap almost always instakills them, explosive tripmines can be disabled for future use against enemies
  
• botched enemy intros: dogs and novistadors just show up with no prior warning/hyping up from the villains.

Here is a funny summary by CarcinogenSDA if it’s too much of a TL:DR for you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A10KEFerJhU

[REhorror]

I'm not going to touch anything but really OG RE4 is scarier than this game?

I see this "criticism" everywhere but it's not true, this game is much scarier than OG RE4, much more darker and gory, OG RE4 is almost cartoony compared to this.

[DENIS_Biomechanoid 🍑]

Originally posted by REhorror:

I'm not going to touch anything but really OG RE4 is scarier than this game?
I see this "criticism" everywhere but it's not true, this game is much scarier than OG RE4, much more darker and gory, OG RE4 is almost cartoony compared to this.

Darkness and Gore not equal "scary". If you turn brightness to zero while playing "Postal 2" it doesn't make it the most horrifying game in existence.

Silent Hill 2 is one of the scariest games I ever played and many areas are well lit - it creates horror and the feeling of isolation using suspense, oppressive atmosphere and the amazing soundtrack.

Village section in this game looks like something from FarCry 4 and it is not scary at all, Verdugo fight is well lit with cool icy aesthetic and Leon constantly throwing out one-liners removes any attempt at atmosphere this game makes.

Again, game not being scary is not something I even care about - if the gameplay was good I wouldn't even mention it - it is 1/10 when it comes to my priority when criticizing this game.

If I wanted a good horror atmosphere I would've replayed "Evil Within 2" instead of buying Deluxe Edition of RE4 remake. It doesn't bother me at all.

[REhorror]

Originally posted by DENIS_Biomechanoid 🍑:

Originally posted by REhorror:

I'm not going to touch anything but really OG RE4 is scarier than this game?
I see this "criticism" everywhere but it's not true, this game is much scarier than OG RE4, much more darker and gory, OG RE4 is almost cartoony compared to this.

Darkness and Gore not equal "scary". If you turn brightness to zero while playing "Postal 2" it doesn't make it the most horrifying game in existence.

Silent Hill 2 is one of the scariest games I ever played and many areas are well lit - it creates horror and the feeling of isolation using suspense, oppressive atmosphere and the amazing soundtrack.

Village section in this game looks like something from FarCry 4 and it is not scary at all, Verdugo fight is well lit with cool icy aesthetic and Leon constantly throwing out one-liners removes any attempt at atmosphere this game makes.

Again, game not being scary is not something I even care about - if the gameplay was good I wouldn't even mention it - it is 1/10 when it comes to my priority when criticizing this game.

If I wanted a good horror atmosphere I would've replayed "Evil Within 2" instead of buying Deluxe Edition of RE4 remake. It doesn't bother me at all.

:datealivekotori::datealivekotori::datealivekotori::datealivekotori::datealivekotori::datealivekotori::datealivekotori::datealivekotori::datealivekotori::datealivekotori:

Silent Hill 2 is literally covered in fog, darknes, rust and gore (dark world).
Bruh, you are just wrong.

When I see people say OG RE4 is scarier than RE4make, I instantly know that opinion is not to be trusted.
Well, have fun with Evil Within 2.

[BaLuX]

This topic is another forced attempt to compare the remake with the original. This could very well be posted in one of the too many existing topics.

And while I disagree with almost every point, at least this topic also has a couple of points that support the remake, for a change.

[REhorror]

Originally posted by BaLuX:

This topic is another forced attempt to compare the remake with the original. This could very well be posted in one of the too many existing topics.

And while I disagree with almost every point, at least this topic also has a couple of points that support the remake, for a change.

Well, it is a good way to farm jester.

Notice how these kind of threads almost never pop up in actual bad games (like the recent RedFall), much less people will be giving jesters.

[DENIS_Biomechanoid 🍑]

Originally posted by REhorror:

Silent Hill 2 is literally covered in fog, darknes, rust and gore (dark world).
Bruh, you are just wrong.
When I see people say OG RE4 is scarier than RE4make, I instantly know that opinion is not to be trusted.
Well, have fun with Evil Within 2.

Hmm, your account has 13 years of service so you gotta be at least in your 30's now (unless you inherited the daddy's account).

To live this long on this earth and have no idea that suspense and atmosphere are much more important for fostering the feeling of unease than jumpscares, gore and complete darkness... I instantly know that your opinion is not to be trusted.

Let me guess, you thought that Stanley Kubrick's "The Shining" was boring and all the cheap slasher flicks are the height of horror? I pity you, you've earned no points and God have mercy upon your soul.

Originally posted by BaLuX:

This topic is another forced attempt to compare the remake with the original. This could very well be posted in one of the too many existing topics.

And while I disagree with almost every point, at least this topic also has a couple of points that support the remake, for a change.

I bought and 100%-ed this game, so I thought I might provide as fair criticism of it as possible.

I could've compared this game to other, better games, like Resident Evil Revelations 2, Evil Within 2, but I defaulted to comparing it to OG RE4 because it is one of the most formative games in the gaming industry, it popularized third-person shooters.

[REhorror]

Originally posted by DENIS_Biomechanoid 🍑:

Originally posted by REhorror:

Silent Hill 2 is literally covered in fog, darknes, rust and gore (dark world).
Bruh, you are just wrong.
When I see people say OG RE4 is scarier than RE4make, I instantly know that opinion is not to be trusted.
Well, have fun with Evil Within 2.

Hmm, your account has 13 years of service so you gotta be at least in your 30's now (unless you inherited the daddy's account).

To live this long on this earth and have no idea that suspense and atmosphere are much more important for fostering the feeling of unease than jumpscares, gore and complete darkness... I instantly know that your opinion is not to be trusted.

Let me guess, you thought that Stanley Kubrick's "The Shining" was boring and all the cheap slasher flicks are the height of horror? I pity you, you've earned no points and God have mercy upon your soul.

Originally posted by BaLuX:

This topic is another forced attempt to compare the remake with the original. This could very well be posted in one of the too many existing topics.

And while I disagree with almost every point, at least this topic also has a couple of points that support the remake, for a change.

I bought and 100%-ed this game, so I thought I might provide as fair criticism of it as possible.

I could've compared this game to other, better games, like Resident Evil Revelations 2, Evil Within 2, but I defaulted to comparing it to OG RE4 because it is one of the most formative games in the gaming industry, it popularized third-person shooters.

:chigara2::chigara2::chigara2::chigara2::chigara2::chigara2::chigara2::chigara2::chigara2::chigara2:

I never saw the Shining.

Tbh, the scariest game ever for me is Fatal Frame series, particular FF3. And that game literally has a grainy filter to it with barely any colors.

Play it sometimes, you will be sh*tting bricks.

[DENIS_Biomechanoid 🍑]

Originally posted by REhorror:

I never saw the Shining.

Tbh, the scariest game ever for me is Fatal Frame series, particular FF3. And that game literally has a grainy filter to it with barely any colors.

Play it sometimes, you will be sh*tting bricks.

I assume "Fatal Frame 3" has a lot more going for it than just "not being able to see".

I seriously wonder whether you are a blind fanboy defending multi-billion corporation to a product from which you attached your whole self-identity, or are you actually unable to comprehend how blind people can live in this world without being horrified all the time because unable to see = horror.

[ChiefMendez]

Originally posted by REhorror:

Originally posted by DENIS_Biomechanoid 🍑:

Darkness and Gore not equal "scary". If you turn brightness to zero while playing "Postal 2" it doesn't make it the most horrifying game in existence.

Silent Hill 2 is one of the scariest games I ever played and many areas are well lit - it creates horror and the feeling of isolation using suspense, oppressive atmosphere and the amazing soundtrack.

Village section in this game looks like something from FarCry 4 and it is not scary at all, Verdugo fight is well lit with cool icy aesthetic and Leon constantly throwing out one-liners removes any attempt at atmosphere this game makes.

Again, game not being scary is not something I even care about - if the gameplay was good I wouldn't even mention it - it is 1/10 when it comes to my priority when criticizing this game.

If I wanted a good horror atmosphere I would've replayed "Evil Within 2" instead of buying Deluxe Edition of RE4 remake. It doesn't bother me at all.

:datealivekotori::datealivekotori::datealivekotori::datealivekotori::datealivekotori::datealivekotori::datealivekotori::datealivekotori::datealivekotori::datealivekotori:

Silent Hill 2 is literally covered in fog, darknes, rust and gore (dark world).
Bruh, you are just wrong.

When I see people say OG RE4 is scarier than RE4make, I instantly know that opinion is not to be trusted.
Well, have fun with Evil Within 2.

Imagine comparing a goofy action comedy game - re4 2005 with the greatest psychological horror game of all time - SH2 2001.

The game absolutely sh1ts on re4 in every single aspect besides action, Mikami knew that by catering to pubertat teenagers and dumbing the game down to the lowest common denominator simplyfying the camera, controls and removing any survival horror elements he can make Capcom producers RICH which he succesfully did.

[REhorror]

Originally posted by DENIS_Biomechanoid 🍑:

Originally posted by REhorror:

I never saw the Shining.

Tbh, the scariest game ever for me is Fatal Frame series, particular FF3. And that game literally has a grainy filter to it with barely any colors.

Play it sometimes, you will be sh*tting bricks.

I assume "Fatal Frame 3" has a lot more going for it than just "not being able to see".

I seriously wonder whether you are a blind fanboy defending multi-billion corporation to a product from which you attached your whole self-identity, or are you actually unable to comprehend how blind people can live in this world without being horrified all the time because unable to see = horror.

:vanilla2::vanilla2::vanilla2::vanilla2::vanilla2::vanilla2::vanilla2::vanilla2::vanilla2::vanilla2:

Yes, you shoot ghosts in FF3.

And no, not a "blind fanboy", just a truth speaker. OG RE4 was heavily criticized for not scary, and RE4make did a lot of good trying to make it actually scary.

If you think the Shining and SH2 are some of the "scariest" movies/games ever, I assume you haven't watched any actual scary movies and games.

[Alex Fergusson]

played this EW recently, and, God, how it sucks, from cutscenes to gameplay and physics
RE4Remake is top notch

[REhorror]

Originally posted by Alex Fergusson:

played this EW recently, and, God, how it sucks, from cutscenes to gameplay and physics
RE4Remake is top notch

Never play EW2 but RE4make takes a lot of cues from EW1.
It has the wavy sight, stealth, bullet spoongy/immortal enemies that need fire to kill, characters having inertia and panting when you run.

EW1 was originally made to be scarier RE4 by Mikami himself, and I feel maybe the staff that makes RE4make is inspired by EW1.

[BEOWULF]

Wrong.

[DENIS_Biomechanoid 🍑]

Originally posted by Alex Fergusson:

played this EW recently, and, God, how it sucks, from cutscenes to gameplay and physics
RE4Remake is top notch

EW1 was very flawed, and they listened to all of the criticisms and fixed them in "Evil Within 2". It's an amazing game when compared to the first one. Play it, you will not regret it.

Originally posted by REhorror:

Yes, you shoot ghosts in FF3.

And no, not a "blind fanboy", just a truth speaker. OG RE4 was heavily criticized for not scary, and RE4make did a lot of good trying to make it actually scary.

If you think the Shining and SH2 are some of the "scariest" movies/games ever, I assume you haven't watched any actual scary movies and games.

I mean what is the scariest movie you've ever seen? I accept recommendations. I never was extremely scared by movies.
When I was younger I watched every single "Saw" movie and loved them, no matter how trashy they were, but the real horror for me lies in a psychological aspect.

My favorites are:
The Thing (amazing 1982 version with unbelievable practical effects, not the garbage prequel with horrible CGI)
The Mist (2007)
The Shining (1980)

If you are into Visual Novels I would highly recommend the uncensored version of "The Song of Saya" - I think that is THE one SCARIEST thing I've ever experienced.

[REhorror]

Originally posted by DENIS_Biomechanoid 🍑:

Originally posted by Alex Fergusson:

played this EW recently, and, God, how it sucks, from cutscenes to gameplay and physics
RE4Remake is top notch

EW1 was very flawed, and they listened to all of the criticisms and fixed them in "Evil Within 2". It's an amazing game when compared to the first one. Play it, you will not regret it.

Originally posted by REhorror:

Yes, you shoot ghosts in FF3.

And no, not a "blind fanboy", just a truth speaker. OG RE4 was heavily criticized for not scary, and RE4make did a lot of good trying to make it actually scary.

If you think the Shining and SH2 are some of the "scariest" movies/games ever, I assume you haven't watched any actual scary movies and games.

I mean what is the scariest movie you've ever seen? I accept recommendations. I never was extremely scared by movies.
When I was younger I watched every single "Saw" movie and loved them, no matter how trashy they were, nut the real horror for me lies in a psychological aspect.

My favorites are:
The Thing (amazing 1982 version with unbelievable practical effects, not the garbage prequel with horrible CGI)
The Mist (2007)
The Shining (1980)

If you are into Visual Novels I would highly recommend the uncensored version of "The Song of Saya" - I think that is THE one SCARIEST thing I've ever experienced.

:sssnatsuki::sssnatsuki::sssnatsuki::sssnatsuki::sssnatsuki::sssnatsuki::sssnatsuki::sssnatsuki::sssnatsuki::sssnatsuki:

The thing is good but it's more like an action movie at this point. Tbh, I think it plays a part in inspiring RE with all the mutations.

Scariest movies IMO:
1. Exorcist 1 & 3.
2. The Grudge series (particular the 1st one).
3. The Ring (japanese one).
4. Blair Witch Project 1.
5. Pet Sematary 1 (the 80s one).

Scariest video games:
1. Classical Fatal Frame series (FF1-3)
2. Project Siren 1 (the 2nd one is kinda goofy tbqh).

All of these are spooky *ss ♥♥♥♥, if you can't stand horror, watch/play them in day time.