Some context on how Speedrunning works

[Heavymetalmixer]

In this video is explained what speedrunning is and how it has changed from the developers fixing the glitches or changing the mechanics from one day to another, just like it happened in RE4R two days ago.

Basically, speedrunning will be possible with downpatching but console players will be left out.

Note: I'm not the video uploader/author.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWcvohfdI9E

[Soren]

I can't really see how console players are left out unless they aren't allowed in the categories because their launch version is too old?

They just gotta play the on disc version that is slightly inferior? Like they'll have to deal with that heavy rain maybe? You can delete the patches for games most times in my experiences with the consoles. I mean, if they bought RE4R digitally on the consoles then they're left out I guess?

[Heavymetalmixer]

Originally posted by Soren:

I can't really see how console players are left out unless they aren't allowed in the categories because their launch version is too old?

They just gotta play the on disc version that is slightly inferior? Like they'll have to deal with that heavy rain maybe? You can delete the patches for games most times in my experiences with the consoles. I mean, if they bought RE4R digitally on the consoles then they're left out I guess?

It's because how versions work in consoles currently: The console always looks for the latest version and patch the game automatically. If you don't have the latest version you can't play the game. In PC you actually can, sometimes without anything, sometimes with some steps involved.

[Soren]

Originally posted by Heavymetalmixer:

It's because how versions work in consoles currently: The console always looks for the latest version and patch the game automatically. If you don't have the latest version you can't play the game. In PC you actually can, sometimes without anything, sometimes with some steps involved.

Hmm, I know certain games on the consoles refuse to boot without updating. That's pretty rare though. At very least a person could boot it up offline and it not force the update to play. At least, I'm pretty sure the PS4 version would work that way. The PS5 might be a more always online type machine.

Edit: For example, I don't own a PS4, but I did play Bloodborne on one once. I was never forced to update Bloodborne before playing and never did. The PS4 wasn't connected to PSN though.

[Han Daimond]

I've watched the video yesterday and it came from a trustworthy source, Waifu is a well known speedrunner so he knows what's up.
Was thinking on sharing it over here, but people simply get toxic and won't change their minds about speedrunning.
This video clearly explains that, as well as the current state of the game for them.

[Faded]

If different platforms have different patch versions thats okay, each platform will just have a different category and people will try to beat that.

[Pure Mind Games]

Aren't consoles ranked separately anyway?

[Heavymetalmixer]

Originally posted by Pure Mind Games:

Aren't consoles ranked separately anyway?

It always depends on each game.

[Caffeinated]

When people ♥♥♥♥ on any% categories I just know they have zero clue on how speedrunning actually works and they are not even interested in it enough to put minimal brain power to understand how it works.
If they understood it they wouldnt be dumb enough to say that using glitches and skips is not "legitimate". Any% means using whatever means available within the base game to finish it as fast as possible (that's why glitches are allowed but DLC exploit content isnt, because dlc is not counted as part of the base game).
I'm not fond of any% category, but that's a me thing, but for peeps like me there's always the NMG/glitchless categories. Im actually more into 100% categories, just love the aspect of dominating everything in the game to go for every available content within a run.

[Caffeinated]

Originally posted by Soren:

I can't really see how console players are left out unless they aren't allowed in the categories because their launch version is too old?

They just gotta play the on disc version that is slightly inferior? Like they'll have to deal with that heavy rain maybe? You can delete the patches for games most times in my experiences with the consoles. I mean, if they bought RE4R digitally on the consoles then they're left out I guess?

From what the mods of the speedrunning discord says, you can still run the any% category on consoles, just its a huge stretch, basically you need to own the disk with the 1.0ver and never update that. Im not a console owner so I dont really know if you can play an unpatched game. But since they mentioned it, maybe you can? idrk

edit: you can still run the game on the current version in the any%, just that you def wont be able to beat the WR because that was done using the gate skip.

[Agarillobob]

Originally posted by Caffeinated:

When people ♥♥♥♥ on any% categories I just know they have zero clue on how speedrunning actually works and they are not even interested in it enough to put minimal brain power to understand how it works.
If they understood it they wouldnt be dumb enough to say that using glitches and skips is not "legitimate". Any% means using whatever means available within the base game to finish it as fast as possible (that's why glitches are allowed but DLC exploit content isnt, because dlc is not counted as part of the base game).
I'm not fond of any% category, but that's a me thing, but for peeps like me there's always the NMG/glitchless categories. Im actually more into 100% categories, just love the aspect of dominating everything in the game to go for every available content within a run.

I only ♥♥♥♥ on any% because currently it does not allow the DLC tickets like you said and is played on standard not assisted
New Vegas for example allows the use of DLC in any% runs and many other games do that too
I am fully happy if they make a any% No DLC and a any% Yes DLC category
but on the current leaderbaord there is NO category allowing DLC (as of last week when I checked last)
I do not understand not running on assistend tho
allowing DLC tickets for the any% Yes DLC category and playing on assisted should save a good 3-4 mins on the current "any%" category

and yes Waifu is a very trusted person in the community

Originally posted by Pure Mind Games:

Aren't consoles ranked separately anyway?

No. most newer games are done loadless where console is not at a major disadvanatge anymore and some games are run IGT (In Game Time)
but how it looks currently Console runners are forced into a different category

[Flan]

Originally posted by Heavymetalmixer:

Basically, speedrunning will be possible with downpatching but console players will be left out.

Note: I'm not the video uploader/author.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWcvohfdI9E

Console speedrunners regularly use imported carts and day 1 discs to get around glitch patches since forever, it's why speedruns have the version number listed as the category.

[Caffeinated]

Originally posted by Agarillobob:

I only ♥♥♥♥ on any% because currently it does not allow the DLC tickets like you said and is played on standard not assisted
New Vegas for example allows the use of DLC in any% runs and many other games do that too
I am fully happy if they make a any% No DLC and a any% Yes DLC category
but on the current leaderbaord there is NO category allowing DLC (as of last week when I checked last)
I do not understand not running on assistend tho
allowing DLC tickets for the any% Yes DLC category and playing on assisted should save a good 3-4 mins on the current "any%" category

and yes Waifu is a very trusted person in the community

I wouldnt mind DLC as long as it was a different category, DLC is essencialy pay-to-win. So using tickets means you have an advantage over another player on the same platform. Basically forcing the player to spend further bucks only to be able to compete equally.
Seems fair as it is rn, same way you can't put NG players against NG+ using Ashley armor, bonus weapons and infinite weapons on the same leaderboard, its just plain unfair. So as much as you are not wrong you are not right either, is an extra advantage that you can only get from outside of the game by means not included in the main game.

As for not running on assisted is very simple, assisted is boring for some and some people like to up the challenge.

[Caffeinated]

Originally posted by Caffeinated:

Originally posted by Agarillobob:

I only ♥♥♥♥ on any% because currently it does not allow the DLC tickets like you said and is played on standard not assisted
New Vegas for example allows the use of DLC in any% runs and many other games do that too
I am fully happy if they make a any% No DLC and a any% Yes DLC category
but on the current leaderbaord there is NO category allowing DLC (as of last week when I checked last)
I do not understand not running on assistend tho
allowing DLC tickets for the any% Yes DLC category and playing on assisted should save a good 3-4 mins on the current "any%" category

and yes Waifu is a very trusted person in the community

I wouldnt mind DLC as long as it was a different category, DLC is essencialy pay-to-win. So using tickets means you have an advantage over another player on the same platform. Basically forcing the player to spend further bucks only to be able to compete equally.
Seems fair as it is rn, same way you can't put NG players against NG+ using Ashley armor, bonus weapons and infinite weapons on the same leaderboard, its just plain unfair. So as much as you are not wrong you are not right either, is an extra advantage that you can only get from outside of the game by means not included in the main game.

As for not running on assisted is very simple, assisted is boring for some and some people like to up the challenge.

And who knows? maybe if by popularity and demand, having a DLC-allowed category might be possible, is just for that to happen there must be a decent number of people that accepts/enjoy the thing so that the mods will be able to accept runs of that kind. Its just a matter of running with dlc tickets not being interesting/sought out enough by the speedrunning community.

And also, you don't need to agree with the leaderboards, speedrunning is not something "official" like an esports competition where companies behind the game endorse that sort of thing. You can play the game and run it however you like and on your terms.

Back on RE Village I wouldnt agree on the 100% category rules for the speedrun.com so I went and played the way I thought was 100% that included collecting every item and clearing a room of loot from the map.