Why are people calling this game woke???

[Dante]

These boards are filled with different complains like cut content/no dlss/denuvo etc etc which I can understand but I never understood why people keep calling this game woke. WHY? Can someone who actually thinks it is woke explain?

[ANTI 666 LXIX]

"up yours, woke moralists!"

it's people complaining that things they enjoyed, like ogling women characters bodies, are not looked upon so lightly so less of that is in the remake.

[Jayder]

Цитата допису Ultima:

Just look at the thread history. Everyone is going back and forth slinging poo vs actually discussing the subject matter because it's more about owning the libs, or owning the alt-right chuds, or whatever. I'm so happy the pendulum is swinging back again, however, I hope this time the swings stop being so extreme and volatile in either direction. Nuance shouldn't be a dirty word, yet it is. The lack of it is indicative of social contagion.

The only thing I'm going to take issue with is this in what is a overall well-reasoned post. Nuance disappears with scale. Just like with 2 party politics, it's impossible for a collective voice to espouse nuance the more people are a part of it. It's not a social contagion, it's a phenomenon of public discourse. And it's just how it is. Large groups of people solve broad problems, smaller groups of people solve specific problems.

[Fraktal]

Цитата допису Ultima:

So I think we're having an overreaction from both sides on a regular basis. Personally, I DETEST wokeness, and that's coming from a black male from a liberal American city. Why? Wokeness or to be more precise intersectionality has a noble concept at it's core, however, things get out of control as it simply inverses discrimination. Depending on how you're perceived on the privileged totem pole you can become a pariah. The more hetero-normative and similar to a white man, the more hate you are with the aforementioned demographic of course becoming demonized while most often doesn't actually enjoy any of the benefits their demographic is perceived to enjoy on an individual level.

Aside from this weird new age discrimination, the most zealous of these people want to deconstruct anything that's remotely masculine, de-masculinize society itself, and so they've spread from academia to major entertainment and education. We're in a situation in which every bit of nostalgia has been tapped then subverted to piss off the fans of X IP while demoralizing western men.

It's why CNN is now doing specials on the masculinity crisis, why $DIS and $WBD are about down over 50% and have been negative since literally 2016, when the wokeness went into overdrive, in response to Trump. See, this stuff is actually fine when done with nuance, it's the zeal that makes it so bad.

Jurassic Park is one of the most well-received movies of all time across the political spectrum. Did you know that it's woke AF though? The entire movie is an allegory and criticism of triumphant capitalism in the wake of the fall of the USSR which was only a few years prior to the movie. Bet you didn't realize it, eh? See, back then it was just called political commentary because it was done with nuance and didn't get in the way of the art.

We now have a situation in which the writers are more so activists who don't have the skill to write the nuanced message that something like JP does because we began valuing diversity over merit to the point in which many men don't even want to work corporate because it's a minefield, and if you don't buy into the ideology, they will come after you. Simply not putting your pronouns on an application could be the difference in getting a job or not.

This is why there's now a culture war in which people notice that NIcole from Dead Space was made to look nowhere near as attractive as she did prior, refusing to play the remake, even though it's not really that big a deal as you hardly ever see below her neck anyways, while on the inverse you've got psychos that literally refused to play Nier: Automata because it acknowledges that sexy women exist and men like to look at them, eschewing an absolute masterpiece that they would genuinely love because they know that somewhere, a straight man appreciates 2B's bum almost as much as her character.

Now that the FED free money train had ended, and we're starting to feel the effects of QT and interest rate hikes, corps are grappling with earning profits or earning ESG points. They are realizing they can't have it both ways. So we're starting to see the pendulum swing back, however, in cases like FFVII-R, or RE4, I think it's just the Japanese devs thinking to themselves, some things are just too much when they're going for a particular tone.

Tifa didn't have a reduction or anything, she's just as big as she always was, however, now she's wearing a sports bra. It's logical. Well-endowed women wear sports bras to not only avoid looking ridiculous but having their breasts flopping everywhere is painful for her. Tifa is doing superhuman gymnastics and martial arts, she'd be mad to not wear one.

In the case of RE4, it's known they're going for a more serious tone, evening out the camp. If any of us were dressed like OG Ashley, we'd be freezing our buns off. It's just stuff that makes sense, but people overreact on both sides to everything because it's more about tribalism than it is logic these days.

Just look at the thread history. Everyone is going back and forth slinging poo vs actually discussing the subject matter because it's more about owning the libs, or owning the alt-right chuds, or whatever. I'm so happy the pendulum is swinging back again, however, I hope this time the swings stop being so extreme and volatile in either direction. Nuance shouldn't be a dirty word, yet it is. The lack of it is indicative of social contagion.

A well thought out and articulated post. Take my points.

[mazewaliztli47]

Because there is no extra hours in the end

[Ultima]

Цитата допису Jayder:

Цитата допису Ultima:

Just look at the thread history. Everyone is going back and forth slinging poo vs actually discussing the subject matter because it's more about owning the libs, or owning the alt-right chuds, or whatever. I'm so happy the pendulum is swinging back again, however, I hope this time the swings stop being so extreme and volatile in either direction. Nuance shouldn't be a dirty word, yet it is. The lack of it is indicative of social contagion.

The only thing I'm going to take issue with is this in what is a overall well-reasoned post. Nuance disappears with scale. Just like with 2 party politics, it's impossible for a collective voice to espouse nuance the more people are a part of it. It's not a social contagion, it's a phenomenon of public discourse. And it's just how it is. Large groups of people solve broad problems, smaller groups of people solve specific problems.

Fair point, however, I believe it's more so that nuance is diminished at scale, but it should never be lost. This is a new phenomenon in which everything is magnified more than it ever has been due to the internet and social media colliding with a 24-hour news cycle.

People used to disagree on numerous things, but not so much that one couldn't have a friend from across the aisle. These days, we're so polarized that many people refuse to even associate with each other if they disagree with them on like 5% of issues despite agreeing with them on everything else. That's not really normal, we're having a hard time adapting to our exponentially advancing tech from a sociocultural perspective.

I think in a few decades, society will look back on this era as a turbulent time as society grapples with the ongoing paradigm shift we're undergoing.

[Ultima]

Цитата допису The Orange and Blue Ninja:

Цитата допису Ultima:

So I think we're having an overreaction from both sides on a regular basis. Personally, I DETEST wokeness, and that's coming from a black male from a liberal American city. Why? Wokeness or to be more precise intersectionality has a noble concept at it's core, however, things get out of control as it simply inverses discrimination. Depending on how you're perceived on the privileged totem pole you can become a pariah. The more hetero-normative and similar to a white man, the more hate you are with the aforementioned demographic of course becoming demonized while most often doesn't actually enjoy any of the benefits their demographic is perceived to enjoy on an individual level.

Aside from this weird new age discrimination, the most zealous of these people want to deconstruct anything that's remotely masculine, de-masculinize society itself, and so they've spread from academia to major entertainment and education. We're in a situation in which every bit of nostalgia has been tapped then subverted to piss off the fans of X IP while demoralizing western men.

It's why CNN is now doing specials on the masculinity crisis, why $DIS and $WBD are about down over 50% and have been negative since literally 2016, when the wokeness went into overdrive, in response to Trump. See, this stuff is actually fine when done with nuance, it's the zeal that makes it so bad.

Jurassic Park is one of the most well-received movies of all time across the political spectrum. Did you know that it's woke AF though? The entire movie is an allegory and criticism of triumphant capitalism in the wake of the fall of the USSR which was only a few years prior to the movie. Bet you didn't realize it, eh? See, back then it was just called political commentary because it was done with nuance and didn't get in the way of the art.

We now have a situation in which the writers are more so activists who don't have the skill to write the nuanced message that something like JP does because we began valuing diversity over merit to the point in which many men don't even want to work corporate because it's a minefield, and if you don't buy into the ideology, they will come after you. Simply not putting your pronouns on an application could be the difference in getting a job or not.

This is why there's now a culture war in which people notice that NIcole from Dead Space was made to look nowhere near as attractive as she did prior, refusing to play the remake, even though it's not really that big a deal as you hardly ever see below her neck anyways, while on the inverse you've got psychos that literally refused to play Nier: Automata because it acknowledges that sexy women exist and men like to look at them, eschewing an absolute masterpiece that they would genuinely love because they know that somewhere, a straight man appreciates 2B's bum almost as much as her character.

Now that the FED free money train had ended, and we're starting to feel the effects of QT and interest rate hikes, corps are grappling with earning profits or earning ESG points. They are realizing they can't have it both ways. So we're starting to see the pendulum swing back, however, in cases like FFVII-R, or RE4, I think it's just the Japanese devs thinking to themselves, some things are just too much when they're going for a particular tone.

Tifa didn't have a reduction or anything, she's just as big as she always was, however, now she's wearing a sports bra. It's logical. Well-endowed women wear sports bras to not only avoid looking ridiculous but having their breasts flopping everywhere is painful for her. Tifa is doing superhuman gymnastics and martial arts, she'd be mad to not wear one.

In the case of RE4, it's known they're going for a more serious tone, evening out the camp. If any of us were dressed like OG Ashley, we'd be freezing our buns off. It's just stuff that makes sense, but people overreact on both sides to everything because it's more about tribalism than it is logic these days.

Just look at the thread history. Everyone is going back and forth slinging poo vs actually discussing the subject matter because it's more about owning the libs, or owning the alt-right chuds, or whatever. I'm so happy the pendulum is swinging back again, however, I hope this time the swings stop being so extreme and volatile in either direction. Nuance shouldn't be a dirty word, yet it is. The lack of it is indicative of social contagion.

A well thought out and articulated post. Take my points.

Much obliged.

[Funpire]

Цитата допису Dante:

These boards are filled with different complains like cut content/no dlss/denuvo etc etc which I can understand but I never understood why people keep calling this game woke. WHY? Can someone who actually thinks it is woke explain?

Because people can't accept the fact they are being aged out. Many people who enjoy this series are now in their 30's or 40's. They can no longer related with the youngest generation that is pushing new trends. Times have changed and people are in denial.

What was fun and edgy then is different now. Woke is a term used to fight political correctness for certain theaters.

Let me lay it out for everyone here, if you are 35+ you are now moving into the obsolete period of your life. You are dawning your suit of dead weight and young people can't identify with you anymore. Get over it, be yourself, continue on until everyone disdains your old ass self and says you should be living in a cave and not allowed to venture outside lest you oogle a child, drive too slow, or look ugly.

Cheers :)

[Mögbär]

The people upset about not being called a pervert by their videogame seem to have not understood it was supposed to be a joke in the original. Regardless of whether you think it's funny or not, you do not tell the same joke twice. Seriously, what were you planning to do? Start the game, find Ashley, rush to the next ladder, direct the camera upwards and yell: "Lol, she said 'pervert', rofl"? Cringe. Do you actually believe anyone would be offended by that joke? No. People have moved on, so it serves no purpose any longer. If you need to hear it again, guess what: RE4 runs on everything from toaster to japanese sci-fi toilet. Go play it.

[Ultima]

Цитата допису Funpire:

Цитата допису Dante:

These boards are filled with different complains like cut content/no dlss/denuvo etc etc which I can understand but I never understood why people keep calling this game woke. WHY? Can someone who actually thinks it is woke explain?

Because people can't accept the fact they are being aged out. Many people who enjoy this series are now in their 30's or 40's. They can no longer related with the youngest generation that is pushing new trends. Times have changed and people are in denial.

What was fun and edgy then is different now. Woke is a term used to fight political correctness for certain theaters.

Let me lay it out for everyone here, if you are 35+ you are now moving into the obsolete period of your life. You are dawning your suit of dead weight and young people can't identify with you anymore. Get over it, be yourself, continue on until everyone disdains your old ass self and says you should be living in a cave and not allowed to venture outside lest you oogle a child, drive too slow, or look ugly.

Cheers :)

Except the young people don't seem to like this stuff that much, otherwise companies like Disney, Warner bros, etc would be in profit and not laying off thousands as they undergo organizational restructuring.

You can just look at any company's ticker on a 6M time frame and any company that focused on ESG goals are all down ~50% from 2021 highs. What was the last MCU movie that one would call an objective success? It was SM: NWH, the movie that was a love letter to fans, and went on to earn over a billion domestically. That doesn't really happen for MCU movies anymore.

[PotatoeHX]

i personally think calling it woke are too far
but after seeing few friend that already playing it, they kinda nerfing lot of characters charm specially Leon dumdum joke which was the most iconic things on the original.
i think capcom nerfing lot of personality because they are afraid of even small backlash on whatever its from the west. eventhough it was the main charm of the game itself.

personally i will never call the remake the replacement of the OG, there are reason why 4 is the most beloved series from the entire RE series and people didn't want the game to be screwed by stuff like "adapted for modern audiences" kinda stuff.

[Ultima]

Цитата допису Lyfa:

i personally think calling it woke are too far
but after seeing few friend that already playing it, they kinda nerfing lot of characters charm specially Leon dumdum joke which was the most iconic things on the original.
i think capcom nerfing lot of personality because they are afraid of even small backlash on whatever its from the west. eventhough it was the main charm of the game itself.

personally i will never call the remake the replacement of the OG, there are reason why 4 is the most beloved series from the entire RE series and people didn't want the game to be screwed by stuff like "adapted for modern audiences" kinda stuff.

Yeah, this game isn't really woke, so much as it's just toning down the camp. We think we would want all the camp to be intact, and maybe some of us really do, but I think it's a good thing they toned some of it down. It would be hard to get immersed, and we feel more like a '90s-era cartoon than it would a survival horror action game.

[Jnc]

Цитата допису Dante:

These boards are filled with different complains like cut content/no dlss/denuvo etc etc which I can understand but I never understood why people keep calling this game woke. WHY? Can someone who actually thinks it is woke explain?

They made Ashley not look like a CGI anime character, and gave her fresh drip.

[Rock Bandicoot]

Ballistics line is iconic for my group of friends. But we know it have not aged well. Ashley looks cuter to me with that jacket. The people just really likes to complain.

[PotatoeHX]

Цитата допису Ultima:

Цитата допису Lyfa:

i personally think calling it woke are too far
but after seeing few friend that already playing it, they kinda nerfing lot of characters charm specially Leon dumdum joke which was the most iconic things on the original.
i think capcom nerfing lot of personality because they are afraid of even small backlash on whatever its from the west. eventhough it was the main charm of the game itself.

personally i will never call the remake the replacement of the OG, there are reason why 4 is the most beloved series from the entire RE series and people didn't want the game to be screwed by stuff like "adapted for modern audiences" kinda stuff.

Yeah, this game isn't really woke, so much as it's just toning down the camp. We think we would want all the camp to be intact, and maybe some of us really do, but I think it's a good thing they toned some of it down. It would be hard to get immersed, and we feel more like a '90s-era cartoon than it would a survival horror action game.

true, people will have their own taste on what is Resident evil.
but 4 for me personally, i prefer at the very least almost 1 to 1 dialogue for this installment.
because whenever i mention 4, people that know it well will reply with whatever dumdum joke that leon said so losing that 90's joke was kinda a shame.
beside the immersion, the dum joke are one of the reason people love 4.

[Whitebleidd]

Цитата допису Ultima:

Yeah, this game isn't really woke, so much as it's just toning down the camp. We think we would want all the camp to be intact, and maybe some of us really do, but I think it's a good thing they toned some of it down. It would be hard to get immersed, and we feel more like a '90s-era cartoon than it would a survival horror action game.

The OG didn’t feel like a 90s era cartoon, it wasn’t created in the 90s, it simply didn’t feel western, which was a good thing, part of what sets all these Japanese horror/survival franchises apart, and med them so good, beloved and fresh, instead of this corporate, sanitised, censored, woke drivel being made nowadays.

But then again, not like its surprising having someone from the US imposing their morals and personal tastes as the "correct thing to use in the global stage".