I hate what the gaming community has become

[DFrost25505]

People used to be so excited just talking about a game coming out and what stuff they found in a game. Now it's "graphics look garbage, cancelling pre-order" or "they changed this one very very tiny thing about the game so they've ruined the vision of the series and the OG game" or "If you like this game you're X/Y/Z". It sucks. Miss getting hyped with communities about just having another game to enjoy, now everyone is so critical and can't enjoy anything.

[Ronin Gamer]

Originally posted by Mugen Majimq:

Originally posted by Ronin Gamer:

Thank yourself you didn't spend time on the Baldur's Gate 3 steam forum. It was this at times just times a hundred at specific moments.
With that said though, other people's opinions have zero impact on my own and doesn't get in my way of enjoying a video game. Them being miserable, by them trying to force themselves being miserable or not, has nothing to do with me.

i remember that ♥♥♥♥ show lol, i eventually just quit caring about that game

Why would you allow people acting like juvenile twits get in the way of enjoying one of the best games to come out later this year? Seems rather odd stance to take.

[zmanbuilder]

Originally posted by DxSpark:

Originally posted by zmanbuilder:

remember when mario 64 was considered cutting edge? remember when if a game released broken it would stay broken? now people say a game is garbage if it cannot run at 500fps 4k ultra wide with ray tracing

Mario 64 is still cutting-edge and SOULFULL.

i feel like the issue with modern games is the lack of a soul.

art is a reflection of the artists, so if a soulless greedy company makes a game, you get a soulless greedy game, thats why i believe indie games are the way of the future.
still hyped for this game though.

[DxSpark]

Originally posted by zmanbuilder:

Originally posted by DxSpark:

Mario 64 is still cutting-edge and SOULFULL.

i feel like the issue with modern games is the lack of a soul.

art is a reflection of the artists, so if a soulless greedy company makes a game, you get a soulless greedy game, thats why i believe indie games are the way of the future.
still hyped for this game though.

Yes, the sky in The Legend of Zelda : Ocarina of Time N64 is still living in my mind...It's truly a transcendantal beautiful portal to God, because art rightly done is mimesis or the good imitation of nature which allowss the artist to portray and convey the transcendtal truths that the philosophes can't convey with words.

[Karnilyx]

As depressing as it is, being Negative about something speaks to the human mind better than being Positive about something does.

As gaming has got more popular, and a pandemic that forced everybody to stay inside for years happened, more and more people have become gamers. The bigger something is, the more problematic people are drawn to it. (Just look at any Game, Show, or IP that's massively popular, it always has the most toxic and illogical people following it, regardless of what it is)

In addition to this, people have become more connected through the internet recently, and it's not exactly uncommon for entire friend groups to never meet each other in person because they're all connected through Discord, Steam or a game they play so now people have more reason than ever to express their personality and opinions online.

The ultimate combination of all these factors is exactly what you've outlined in your post: People who come into every game or discussion with the mindset of "What exactly can I complain about with this game?" They'll ignore basic logic like this being a demo release with 10 minutes of gameplay, 3 guns and 2 enemy types because they're not genuinely curious about how the game will turn out, they just want something to attack and make fun of.

(This is a bit off-topic but it's in a relatively off-topic thread so whatever) A good example of this problem is Halo: Infinite. I'm a life-long fan of that whole series, so I know that the game is far from perfect, and has a very large list of problems that should've been fixed months ago, but I also know that in a lot of ways, it is better than the games that have come before it, and it brings a lot of new ideas to the Halo formula, yet you won't see anybody on the internet talk about that side of the game when discussing it's quality. All that anyone-especially non-Halo fans seem to care about are all of the game's failings, the things that they can make fun of, or use to make their "Halo is dying and 343 killed it" videos.

I should make it clear that I'm not saying everybody who's negative about a game has the mindset of wanting it to fail, infact most people don't. Really, it's just online discussion forums, such as the Steam Forums, Twitter, Reddit, YouTube comments, the list goes on. if you look at the larger public reaction to the RE4 demo, you'll see that it's almost all positive and most players are even more hyped than before for the remake, and it's the same with all other games.

[DxSpark]

Originally posted by leisurely pace runner:

As depressing as it is, being Negative about something speaks to the human mind better than being Positive about something does.

As gaming has got more popular, and a pandemic that forced everybody to stay inside for years happened, more and more people have become gamers. The bigger something is, the more problematic people are drawn to it. (Just look at any Game, Show, or IP that's massively popular, it always has the most toxic and illogical people following it, regardless of what it is)

In addition to this, people have become more connected through the internet recently, and it's not exactly uncommon for entire friend groups to never meet each other in person because they're all connected through Discord, Steam or a game they play so now people have more reason than ever to express their personality and opinions online.

The ultimate combination of all these factors is exactly what you've outlined in your post: People who come into every game or discussion with the mindset of "What exactly can I complain about with this game?" They'll ignore basic logic like this being a demo release with 10 minutes of gameplay, 3 guns and 2 enemy types because they're not genuinely curious about how the game will turn out, they just want something to attack and make fun of.

(This is a bit off-topic but it's in a relatively off-topic thread so whatever) A good example of this problem is Halo: Infinite. I'm a life-long fan of that whole series, so I know that the game is far from perfect, and has a very large list of problems that should've been fixed months ago, but I also know that in a lot of ways, it is better than the games that have come before it, and it brings a lot of new ideas to the Halo formula, yet you won't see anybody on the internet talk about that side of the game when discussing it's quality. All that anyone-especially non-Halo fans seem to care about are all of the game's failings, the things that they can make fun of, or use to make their "Halo is dying and 343 killed it" videos.

I should make it clear that I'm not saying everybody who's negative about a game has the mindset of wanting it to fail, infact most people don't. Really, it's just online discussion forums, such as the Steam Forums, Twitter, Reddit, YouTube comments, the list goes on. if you look at the larger public reaction to the RE4 demo, you'll see that it's almost all positive and most players are even more hyped than before for the remake, and it's the same with all other games.

didn't read lol

[Karnilyx]

Originally posted by DxSpark:

Originally posted by leisurely pace runner:

As depressing as it is, being Negative about something speaks to the human mind better than being Positive about something does.

As gaming has got more popular, and a pandemic that forced everybody to stay inside for years happened, more and more people have become gamers. The bigger something is, the more problematic people are drawn to it. (Just look at any Game, Show, or IP that's massively popular, it always has the most toxic and illogical people following it, regardless of what it is)

In addition to this, people have become more connected through the internet recently, and it's not exactly uncommon for entire friend groups to never meet each other in person because they're all connected through Discord, Steam or a game they play so now people have more reason than ever to express their personality and opinions online.

The ultimate combination of all these factors is exactly what you've outlined in your post: People who come into every game or discussion with the mindset of "What exactly can I complain about with this game?" They'll ignore basic logic like this being a demo release with 10 minutes of gameplay, 3 guns and 2 enemy types because they're not genuinely curious about how the game will turn out, they just want something to attack and make fun of.

(This is a bit off-topic but it's in a relatively off-topic thread so whatever) A good example of this problem is Halo: Infinite. I'm a life-long fan of that whole series, so I know that the game is far from perfect, and has a very large list of problems that should've been fixed months ago, but I also know that in a lot of ways, it is better than the games that have come before it, and it brings a lot of new ideas to the Halo formula, yet you won't see anybody on the internet talk about that side of the game when discussing it's quality. All that anyone-especially non-Halo fans seem to care about are all of the game's failings, the things that they can make fun of, or use to make their "Halo is dying and 343 killed it" videos.

I should make it clear that I'm not saying everybody who's negative about a game has the mindset of wanting it to fail, infact most people don't. Really, it's just online discussion forums, such as the Steam Forums, Twitter, Reddit, YouTube comments, the list goes on. if you look at the larger public reaction to the RE4 demo, you'll see that it's almost all positive and most players are even more hyped than before for the remake, and it's the same with all other games.

didn't read lol

There's always this guy in every discussion isn't there?
Either way I'll shorten it for you, albeit with much less detail.

People are more negative these days because simply-put there are more gamers than ever, and people are encouraged to spread their opinions and personality online more than before which leads to waves of people coming to judge and attack games that they probably don't even like because they're simply there for the sole purpose of having something to be against, or for the purpose of offending people.

[DxSpark]

Originally posted by leisurely pace runner:

Originally posted by DxSpark:

didn't read lol

There's always this guy in every discussion isn't there?
Either way I'll shorten it for you, albeit with much less detail.

People are more negative these days because simply-put there are more gamers than ever, and people are encouraged to spread their opinions and personality online more than before which leads to waves of people coming to judge and attack games that they probably don't even like because they're simply there for the sole purpose of having something to be against, or for the purpose of offending people.

You might be right but I also have another explanation: People are way way way more addicted and dopamine-deplited than a few years ago, also much more depression because of world state and because of everything involving screens being more and more drugafied and purposely addictive, also with many many more video games and porn and internet content and social medias ,ect... Brave New World but also plain frying of the brain, of the dopamine receptors and of the baseline of dopamine. More is not better.

[Karnilyx]

Originally posted by DxSpark:

Originally posted by leisurely pace runner:

There's always this guy in every discussion isn't there?
Either way I'll shorten it for you, albeit with much less detail.

People are more negative these days because simply-put there are more gamers than ever, and people are encouraged to spread their opinions and personality online more than before which leads to waves of people coming to judge and attack games that they probably don't even like because they're simply there for the sole purpose of having something to be against, or for the purpose of offending people.

You might be right but I also have another explanation: People are way way way more addicted and dopamine-deplited than a few years ago, also much more depression because of world state and because of everything involving screens being more and more drugafied and purposely addictive, also with many many more video games and porn and internet content and social medias ,ect... Brave New World but also plain frying of the brain, of the dopamine receptors and of the baseline of dopamine. More is not better.

While I don't entirely agree, that is a very good, fresh perspective that I never took into account before. I especially agree with the idea of people being more depleted of dopamine these days, to me that's the most realistic explanation of the increased negativity out there.

[BlackSunEmpire]

Originally posted by leisurely pace runner:

As gaming has got more popular, and a pandemic that forced everybody to stay inside for years happened, more and more people have become gamers. The bigger something is, the more problematic people are drawn to it. (Just look at any Game, Show, or IP that's massively popular, it always has the most toxic and illogical people following it, regardless of what it is)

People were always toxic, even 20 years ago they were just as toxic.
Most gamers are teens going through puberty. They are general toxic as ♥♥♥♥.
And the casuals who play games nowadays are usually less critical about gameplay and not more critical.

What you mean are the NPCs, the journalists and activists who tell you that you are not allowed to play games like Hogwarts Legacy or Atomic Heart, or that every game needs to have an easy mode, or that killing animals in games is wrong:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mitchwallace/2018/01/30/monster-hunter-worlds-worst-offense-might-be-its-questionable-treatment-of-animals/?sh=6f3187e24200

But those are mostly people who are not interested in playing games at all. They just want to force their mindset onto everyone else.

[DxSpark]

Originally posted by leisurely pace runner:

Originally posted by DxSpark:

You might be right but I also have another explanation: People are way way way more addicted and dopamine-deplited than a few years ago, also much more depression because of world state and because of everything involving screens being more and more drugafied and purposely addictive, also with many many more video games and porn and internet content and social medias ,ect... Brave New World but also plain frying of the brain, of the dopamine receptors and of the baseline of dopamine. More is not better.

While I don't entirely agree, that is a very good, fresh perspective that I never took into account before. I especially agree with the idea of people being more depleted of dopamine these days, to me that's the most realistic explanation of the increased negativity out there.

If the subject is an interest to you, you may want to watch this long interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3JLaF_4Tz8

[AS9ARDIAN]

Depends, nothing wrong as long as it is constructive criticism.

To be fair, how many good survival horror have you played in the last, let's say, five years?
How many good multiplayer fps?

How many with a fair amount of content for the price, and in a playable state at day one?

Let's be honest, more than the community, the game industry in comparison with 20 or even 10 years ago it's an absolute joke, literally shameless.
Negativism is simply a consequence and it's not even negativism, is just being realistic and not positive without a reason.
Plus, you are still and always free to be as hyped as you want.

[Flan]

I can confirm that people used to this exact same thing on IRC boards 25 years ago, it's not new, there's just more places to do it now.

[DeadSlash]

Originally posted by Ronin Gamer:

Originally posted by matarjack:

I mean, back in the days we had new games, and great games also, but nowadays most of the games aren't even finished; we talk about the features the developers show us, if it's good, we'll talk about the good things, if it's bad...well...

There were games that were released broken and they never got fixed because of that. That's not me excusing releasing games in the state we sometimes see them in today, that's me saying at times you bought a game and it was just broken and that's what the game was. There was no fixing it back in the day.

Tribes was "The Game" and was set to knock Quake off it's perch as the king of competitive game play... and then "Tribes 2" happened. Broken out of the box for about 70% of the people who bought it and it took like 2 months for anything resembling a patch. It killed the game dead. Killed an entire franchise.

PS: This forum is child's play compared to what was seen in Harry Potter, or Atomic Heart, and what it will look like when the game releases and there is a flood of clown farmers. It's honestly gentle now.

Anyone who finds it's current topics bothersome will want to skip visit the forum at all from the 23rd to like April 7th or so.

Steam has to get rid of the rewards system. "Rewarding" troll posts with clown awards was the worst thing the community could have done.

[MrQun]

Originally posted by BlackSunEmpire:

Very strange.
I play games since 30 years now and I observe rather the opposite. We never had as many simps and shills as we have now in gaming.

In the 90s and early 00s people had a good sense for quality control and were overall more critical.

Nowadays they preorder every flawed and unfinished product and step happily into every psychological trap:

Fomo based in game shops, online gambling, battle passes, live service wastelands, progression treadmills, desirable items behind preoder bonuses, paying 60 $ for an alpha version of a game, getting forced to watch twitch to gain access to in game items in a 60 $ game.

They don't care. They consume anything, no matter how predatory the business model behind it. Companies like EA or Activision wouldn't be possible without the modern consumer.

At last there is someone on Steam that gets it. I've been saying this for years, but it always falls on deaf ears. I've noticed people dumping on EA all the time, yet I can't help but wonder how many of those haters had actually purchased the new Dead Space Remake? I am going to assume the vast majority of them.

People need to remember/ understand a simple truth. Gaming companies are a business, and as such all they care about is their bottom line. They want our money which means they essentially work for us. They should be kissing our back sides in order to get our business, but unfortunately the exact opposite is happening. Gamers are instead kissing the rear ends of these dismal game companies due to FOMO, lack of standards and dare I say, game addiction.

Example: As we all know CDPR's Cyberpunk had a disastrous launch and even though over the years they had added some minor additional content free of charge. Most of their "updates" however was them fixing their screw ups. The vast majority of its player base saw this and thought that that warranted in giving them the Labour of Love award on Steam. WTF? Fixing their game and making it playable is NOT a labour of love. That was CDPR doing what they SHOULD have done in the first place. Even now there are still plenty of enablers on Steam that defend/simp for CDPR insisting that they are a great company that deserves the LoL award and numerous other praises. I almost feel sorry for them. CDPR is now the new Bethesda. You'll see.

This is how gullible most people are. Gaming companies are clearly taking advantage of peoples gullibility which is why the gaming industry is in the dismal state that it is in right now. The tragedy here is that all this nonsense can end right now if people were to actually hold these gaming companies to an actual standard. Which is done by not rewarding bad practices and refusing to give them your money. But people won't learn. As long as these companies are getting your money they will have no incentive to change their questionable ways.

I strongly urge people to pull their head out of their back sides and wake up to themselves, otherwise this will only get worse.

[Lvl 10]

Skepticism is good thing to have.
Look where blind fandom has lead the Pokemon franchise:
It the most profitable franchise by far, yet Game Freak keeps churning out worse and worse entries every year and they don't even have the need to improve because people will buy it regardless.

You think if RE3 Remake didn't get the backlash it did, then Capcom wouldn't have let M-Two (RE3R devs) continue instead of bringing in their in-house RE staff?
If people were happy how RE3R turned out, then Capcom would have just let M-Two do its thing.

Also the general skepticism is the result of AAA gaming companies constantly lying or breaking their promises.
In fact, Capcom's pre-release interview with Edge which stated "there's no cut content" is looking very sus right now...but that's spoiler territory and there's already a dedicated thread for it.