How is precision calculated?

[Bamsmacked]

Every 1 point of precision translate into 5% insta kill or something?

I just feel like precision is inconsistent in this game, or maybe I'm interpreting how it is suppose to work all wrong.

[ggAkatsukiP]

Pistol :
1) Aim reticle size (Accuracy)
2) Aim focus speed (Speed of aiming reticle shrink)
3) Aim focus tolerance (Tolerance of aim unfocus when moving Leon or readjusting aim)
4) Firing recoil
Attaching stock make above three lists better, exception to (1). Accuracy is tie to base precision only.

Shotgun :
1) Firepower fall off distance
2) Spread AOE
Precision here works opposite for (1) and (2), high precision reduce firepower fall off (better) but reduce spread AOE (worse), low precision increase firepower fall off (worse) but increase spread AOE (better). Shotgun do not have penetration, to achieve multi kill, you strafe around enemies so that they are side by side AND within the aim reticle.

Rifle :
1) Aim steady (sway)
2) Recoil
Recoil is only a problem if you are using CQBR to dps something like boss fight.
Aim steady is the problem when doing long shooting. CQBR has a very large sway, while Stingray being the most steady.

Smg :
1) Aim reticle size during unfocused
Several test shows precision stat only affect that one part. Aim focus speed, aim tolerance are not determined by precision stat, and aim reticle size after focused also not determined by precision stat. TMP and LE5 both has same aim reticle size after focused. TMP stock add full aim tolerance for adjusting aim, but moving Leon will still unfocus the aim. Stock also make TMP aim focus speed incredibly fast. From the design, dev seems to want TMP to single shot or burst firing, while LE5 for full auto spray style due to its superior unfocus aim reticle accuracy.

Magnum :
Need test as well.

[Bamsmacked]

Originally posted by ggAkatsukiP:

Pistol :
1) Aim reticle size (Accuracy)
2) Aim focus speed (Speed of aiming reticle shrink)
3) Aim focus tolerance (Tolerance of aim unfocus when moving Leon or readjusting aim)
4) Firing recoil
Attaching stock make above three lists better, exception to (1). Accuracy is tie to base precision only.

Shotgun :
1) Firepower fall off distance
2) Spread AOE
Precision here works opposite for (1) and (2), high precision reduce firepower fall off (better) but reduce spread AOE (worse), low precision increase firepower fall off (worse) but increase spread AOE (better). Shotgun do not have penetration, to achieve multi kill, you strafe around enemies so that they are side by side AND within the aim reticle.

Rifle :
1) Aim steady (sway)
2) Recoil
Recoil is only a problem if you are using CQBR to dps something like boss fight.
Aim steady is the problem when doing long shooting. CQBR has a very large sway, while Stingray being the most steady.

Smg :
Need test, have not really spent time checking tmp, Le5 & chicago sweeper.

Magnum :
Need test as well.

How does the Laser Dot affect Pistol precision ?

You mentioned Reticle size, Reticle Aim Focus, and Aiming Focus tolerance ; with the Laser Dot all of these are eliminated (at least visually) so does that mean you no longer have to wait before firing?

[ggAkatsukiP]

Originally posted by Bamsmacked:

Originally posted by ggAkatsukiP:

Pistol :
1) Aim reticle size (Accuracy)
2) Aim focus speed (Speed of aiming reticle shrink)
3) Aim focus tolerance (Tolerance of aim unfocus when moving Leon or readjusting aim)
4) Firing recoil
Attaching stock make above three lists better, exception to (1). Accuracy is tie to base precision only.

Shotgun :
1) Firepower fall off distance
2) Spread AOE
Precision here works opposite for (1) and (2), high precision reduce firepower fall off (better) but reduce spread AOE (worse), low precision increase firepower fall off (worse) but increase spread AOE (better). Shotgun do not have penetration, to achieve multi kill, you strafe around enemies so that they are side by side AND within the aim reticle.

Rifle :
1) Aim steady (sway)
2) Recoil
Recoil is only a problem if you are using CQBR to dps something like boss fight.
Aim steady is the problem when doing long shooting. CQBR has a very large sway, while Stingray being the most steady.

Smg :
Need test, have not really spent time checking tmp, Le5 & chicago sweeper.

Magnum :
Need test as well.

How does the Laser Dot affect Pistol precision ?

You mentioned Reticle size, Reticle Aim Focus, and Aiming Focus tolerance ; with the Laser Dot all of these are eliminated (at least visually) so does that mean you no longer have to wait before firing?

Yes. Laser sight is op. On top of that, laser sight always set your critical rate to the same as max aim focus. Speedrunner also mentioned how 5x crit pistol with laser sight are easily the top tier pistol in casual run.

Which spiked my interest to try it in a new game pro casual run.... they weren't joking

[Hash]

A lot of people love the punisher, and hey, it's got penetration, right? But I'd argue that critical hit chance is waaaay more useful if your aim is good because the punisher can only shine in moments where enemies line up nicely. Besides, they knew fans love keeping the SG-09 for the whole game since it's the cutscene gun. I don't wanna imagine the reviews if that thing couldn't take you through a run by itself.

[Bamsmacked]

Originally posted by Hash:

A lot of people love the punisher, and hey, it's got penetration, right? But I'd argue that critical hit chance is waaaay more useful if your aim is good because the punisher can only shine in moments where enemies line up nicely. Besides, they knew fans love keeping the SG-09 for the whole game since it's the cutscene gun. I don't wanna imagine the reviews if that thing couldn't take you through a run by itself.

When upgrading the SG, does it increase the precision to 5x or 9x?

The base precision on the Punisher is 4.5 while the base on SG is 4.0 -- and the Punisher has better stats everywhere else except damage, and it's not even a huge difference @ .1 damage difference at max rank.

The Punisher IMO, is objectively better in most situations. It has a higher magazine cap, and faster rate of fire and can pen 2 to 5 enemies. Since it's able to roll out bullets faster that means it's capable of doing more damage (no crits.)

I have not used the SG post exclusive upgrade and unless the upgrade increases it to 9x precision, I don't see the SG being better than a gun that has 4.5 precision l, more bullets, more rof, and can go thru enemies. The Punisher owns spider jockied enemies and shields, and enemies pile up a lot in this game more so than the original.

[ggAkatsukiP]

Originally posted by Bamsmacked:

Originally posted by Hash:

A lot of people love the punisher, and hey, it's got penetration, right? But I'd argue that critical hit chance is waaaay more useful if your aim is good because the punisher can only shine in moments where enemies line up nicely. Besides, they knew fans love keeping the SG-09 for the whole game since it's the cutscene gun. I don't wanna imagine the reviews if that thing couldn't take you through a run by itself.

When upgrading the SG, does it increase the precision to 5x or 9x?

The base precision on the Punisher is 4.5 while the base on SG is 4.0 -- and the Punisher has better stats everywhere else except damage, and it's not even a huge difference @ .1 damage difference at max rank.

The Punisher IMO, is objectively better in most situations. It has a higher magazine cap, and faster rate of fire and can pen 2 to 5 enemies. Since it's able to roll out bullets faster that means it's capable of doing more damage (no crits.)

I have not used the SG post exclusive upgrade and unless the upgrade increases it to 9x precision, I don't see the SG being better than a gun that has 4.5 precision l, more bullets, more rof, and can go thru enemies. The Punisher owns spider jockied enemies and shields, and enemies pile up a lot in this game more so than the original.

About SG09R
The exclusive only affect critical rate, not precision. Precision is affected by attaching stock only.

The main sell points of Punisher are the most budget pistol (all max + exclusive at cheap bargain of just 279k pesetas), have access to its speciality from start.

Red9 and Blacktail is about firepower but doesn't comes in until getting exclusive. Same with SG09R & Sentinel Nine, no speciality until exclusive. Matilda speciality is missing until you get its stock in Chapter 11.

[Bamsmacked]

Originally posted by ggAkatsukiP:

Originally posted by Bamsmacked:

When upgrading the SG, does it increase the precision to 5x or 9x?

The base precision on the Punisher is 4.5 while the base on SG is 4.0 -- and the Punisher has better stats everywhere else except damage, and it's not even a huge difference @ .1 damage difference at max rank.

The Punisher IMO, is objectively better in most situations. It has a higher magazine cap, and faster rate of fire and can pen 2 to 5 enemies. Since it's able to roll out bullets faster that means it's capable of doing more damage (no crits.)

I have not used the SG post exclusive upgrade and unless the upgrade increases it to 9x precision, I don't see the SG being better than a gun that has 4.5 precision l, more bullets, more rof, and can go thru enemies. The Punisher owns spider jockied enemies and shields, and enemies pile up a lot in this game more so than the original.

About SG09R
The exclusive only affect critical rate, not precision. Precision is affected by attaching stock only.

The main sell points of Punisher are the most budget pistol (all max + exclusive at cheap bargain of just 279k pesetas), have access to its speciality from start.

Red9 and Blacktail is about firepower but doesn't comes in until getting exclusive. Same with SG09R & Sentinel Nine, no speciality until exclusive. Matilda speciality is missing until you get its stock in Chapter 11.

I'm confused..

What is the difference between crit and precision?

I've always assumed they were the same thing.