Denuvo removed from RE8

[Neckwhiskers]

And it only took 2 years! Hang in there lads.
I'm curious about the performance though.

[Steel]

Game preservation is a legit argument. However, there's two things there.
1) Game preservation is a complex issue and denuvo is a mere drop in the bucket. Steam, by itself, or ANY form of digital rights management, is equally a threat to game preservation in the long run. Denuvo is in no way special on this matter.

2) The misinformation campaign targeting denuvo, specifically, does not raise game preservation as an issue, instead creating fake narratives about botched performance, non-functional games, a worse experience for people who buy the game, even security issues. The focus is always on blatantly untrue ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, not game preservation.

If DRM is bad, then all DRM is bad, from a game preservation standpoint, and denuvo is not doing anything new or unique on this front.

[Neckwhiskers]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Bͥatͣmͫan:

if anyone of you pirate this game you will be banned from steam.

[PawgaliciouS QueeN]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von -iD-:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Metal Sophitia:

Which part?

that it doesn't work.

What?

[Neckwhiskers]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Steel:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Neckwhiskers:

proceeds to defend denuvo

To you people anyone who doesn't subscribe to your misinformation grifting campaign is a denuvo shill.
No better than flat earthers.

Flat earthers aren't real, kid.

[[-iD-]]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Metal Sophitia:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von -iD-:

that it doesn't work.

What?

you said its just logic. well what is the logic? who made it? where did it come from? how does it work?

[PawgaliciouS QueeN]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Steel:

Game preservation is a legit argument. However, there's two things there.
1) Game preservation is a complex issue and denuvo is a mere drop in the bucket. Steam, by itself, or ANY form of digital rights management, is equally a threat to game preservation in the long run. Denuvo is in no way special on this matter.

2) The misinformation campaign targeting denuvo, specifically, does not raise game preservation as an issue, instead creating fake narratives about botched performance, non-functional games, a worse experience for people who buy the game, even security issues. The focus is always on blatantly untrue ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, not game preservation.

If DRM is bad, then all DRM is bad, from a game preservation standpoint, and denuvo is not doing anything new or unique on this front.

Steam drm is a joke though and is usually cracked by just flipping a mere switch.

[Neckwhiskers]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Steel:

If DRM is bad, then all DRM is bad

That's right. It only ever hurts the paying customer like me. I know for a fact the game will run better when they remove denuvo and I won't have to worry about not being able to play it in the future.

[PawgaliciouS QueeN]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von -iD-:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Metal Sophitia:

What?

you said its just logic. well what is the logic? who made it? where did it come from? how does it work?

noun
1.
reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity.
"experience is a better guide to this than deductive logic"

[Neckwhiskers]

No point in arguing with -iD-, he's a full on denuvo shill.

[[-iD-]]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Metal Sophitia:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von -iD-:

you said its just logic. well what is the logic? who made it? where did it come from? how does it work?

noun
1.
reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity.
"experience is a better guide to this than deductive logic"

i asked what is THE LOGIC. not what is logic, its no wonder you guys are so close minded about drm. you can't read either.

[PawgaliciouS QueeN]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von -iD-:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Metal Sophitia:

noun
1.
reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity.
"experience is a better guide to this than deductive logic"

i asked what is THE LOGIC. not what is logic, its no wonder you guys are so close minded about drm. you can't read either.

Cute, now "read" what I said and apply logic. You'll come to the same conclusion.

[Steel]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Metal Sophitia:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Steel:

Game preservation is a legit argument. However, there's two things there.
1) Game preservation is a complex issue and denuvo is a mere drop in the bucket. Steam, by itself, or ANY form of digital rights management, is equally a threat to game preservation in the long run. Denuvo is in no way special on this matter.

2) The misinformation campaign targeting denuvo, specifically, does not raise game preservation as an issue, instead creating fake narratives about botched performance, non-functional games, a worse experience for people who buy the game, even security issues. The focus is always on blatantly untrue ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, not game preservation.

If DRM is bad, then all DRM is bad, from a game preservation standpoint, and denuvo is not doing anything new or unique on this front.

Steam drm is a joke though and is usually cracked by just flipping a mere switch.

And therein lies the crux of the matter. People hate denuvo because it's effective at stopping pirates from pirating games. Every other DRM in history didn't get 1% of the hate denuvo got, despite many times being a lot worse and actually bad for consumers (Starforce anyone?). Why? Because it has always been easily cracked.
That's it, that's the entire outrage, anything else is either misinformation, coping, or both.

Feel free to rage and jester me and whatever, I have zero reason to stray from that conclusion.

[Neckwhiskers]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Steel:

And therein lies the crux of the matter. People hate denuvo because it's effective at stopping pirates from pirating games. Every other DRM in history didn't get 1% of the hate denuvo got, despite many times being a lot worse and actually bad for consumers (Starforce anyone?). Why? Because it has always been easily cracked.
That's it, that's the entire outrage, anything else is either misinformation, coping, or both.

Feel free to rage and jester me and whatever, I have zero reason to stray from that conclusion.

>because it's effective
No it isn't. Hogwarts Legacy was cracked in 10 days.

>despite many times being a lot worse and actually bad for consumers (Starforce anyone?)
Starforce got tons of hate which is why they stopped using it and everyone worked to crack it.
Please educate yourself before spouting lies. The only reason Denuvo is still around is because people stopped caring about about what is good for the consumer. The video game industry is EASILY one of the most hostile towards its customers by a long shot, yet for some reason it's accepted. A large part of that is because of people like you who just accept denuvo because you were told to by your corporate masters.

[[-iD-]]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Metal Sophitia:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von -iD-:

i asked what is THE LOGIC. not what is logic, its no wonder you guys are so close minded about drm. you can't read either.

Cute, now "read" what I said and apply logic. You'll come to the same conclusion.

i dont udnerstand your logic thats why im asking you to explain it better. how does prevention = not working.

[Steel]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Neckwhiskers:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Steel:

And therein lies the crux of the matter. People hate denuvo because it's effective at stopping pirates from pirating games. Every other DRM in history didn't get 1% of the hate denuvo got, despite many times being a lot worse and actually bad for consumers (Starforce anyone?). Why? Because it has always been easily cracked.
That's it, that's the entire outrage, anything else is either misinformation, coping, or both.

Feel free to rage and jester me and whatever, I have zero reason to stray from that conclusion.

>because it's effective
No it isn't. Hogwarts Legacy was cracked in 10 days.

>despite many times being a lot worse and actually bad for consumers (Starforce anyone?)
Starforce got tons of hate which is why they stopped using it and everyone worked to crack it.
Please educate yourself before spouting lies. The only reason Denuvo is still around is because people stopped caring about about what is good for the consumer. The video game industry is EASILY one of the most hostile towards its customers by a long shot, yet for some reason it's accepted. A large part of that is because of people like you who just accept denuvo because you were told to by your corporate masters.

Jesus christ you take this ♥♥♥♥ way too seriously.
I accept denuvo because it has had literally zero effect on any game I bought or played, it has never been a factor, I don't even remember it exists until threads like these flood forums and reddit, and the occasional grifting youtube video shows up on my feed about it.

I think you're all clowns, to be honest. But addressing your points
-Denuvo is not effective because Hogwarts Legacy was cracked
Most games now will go uncracked for months or even years until the publisher decides to remove denuvo. There is only a SINGLE (very unstable) person who is cracking it, and she can barely crack one game per month, Hogwarts was picked because said person had a grudge against the game. I'd say it is extremely effective, far more than any DRM in the past.

-spouting lies
I did no such thing, Starforce was considerably worse for the consumer than denuvo, and it also got cracked much faster and more often.

-Video game industry is hostile
If it is, then surely something that you can't even tell exists without grifters needing to point it out to you isn't the biggest contributing factor? Again, denuvo is a complete non-factor in the experience of buying and playing a game, most people don't know it's even there until they get told.

Have fun though.