Another remake that didn't live up to the Original game.

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I'm going to start by saying i 100% believe this game is aimed towards the lowest common denominator/console crowd and people who don't give a rats backside who Leon S Kennedy, Ada Wong, Ramon Salazar, Bitores Mendes, Luis Sera, Ashley Graham or any other character is and certainly not the story leading to re4 ect. Lowest common denominator saying "Oh this fmv of this guy training with some Army major is cool i guess..

Then the game starts and i want to base some points from this fantastic video that is aimed towards anyone reading here who's a fan of the franchise, the casuals won't probably know what the original is or what a gamecube was..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83BhJAZrXrc
The first scene at the start has heart and soul to it while the remake scene is one of many frustrating vacuum grabs by the enemy.

The lowest common denominator will already think it's better on the remake solely because of a graphical upgrade and a "modernisation" this is just a simple view

1.04 -1.54, Look at these areas that look better on the original game, especially the village sections. There's just more atmosphere and mood to the original.

2.53, Better acting and choreography in the Original here with Mendes, better Luis voice and i think even big cheese looks better here.

3.15, Much better scene again here in the original, style, flair and class and ada looks great in the satin dress over the s&m outfit which just seems ridiculous.

3.40, Another missed opportunity in the remake to add some fear and dread to the player with those dismembered and impaled bodies.

4.14, De lago section done better in the original even the shooting the water death.

5.30, I have to say objectively the original save theme is better, undeniable.

5.44, Some banter here with Hunnigan in the original but that's not allowed in 2023 or you get cancelled, lame.

5.56, Way better El Gigante scene in Og, look at whats going on in both and see for yourself, self explanatory. He just gets woken up the most lazy way possible in the remake.

7.06, This scene looks far better in the original as does most of the village. Imagine doing rain and lightning effects worse after 20 years..

7.15 Much better church scene in the original and the church looks better decorated in og.

8.27, Lightning flashes coming in the window and more atmospheric again, a common theme.

8.35, Fun banter here with the skirt but this is not allowed in 2023 with various movements and cancel culture in play. Ashley was given skorts in the remake so nobody gets offended, even tho you never see girls wear that.

8.45, Again fun banter with Luis and something you could definitely imagine him saying and Ashley gives some back. Again this is not allowed in 2023 so you get a lame sequence instead.

9.32, More better looking village sequences here in the Og.

9.48, You see a full transformation on Mendes in the og meanwhile in the remake he just appears instantly in the new form after the barrel explodes, lame. Even the eye falling out looks better on og.

11.06, Cut content with that truck

11.23, More tension here and working together to get to the castle, in the remake they just walk there no worries.

12.34- 15.00, Castle looks more alive and salazar is much more menacing in the og, he also sounds better.

15.00, A big one here with Ada which was one of the best scenes in the og game, they got this spectacularly wrong in the remake and of course that Voice to top it all off. Again sylte and class to the og scene.

16.45, Sadler here with personality and gravitas while in the remake he's a generic zealot and a clown.

17.02, same with Mendes.

17.18, Better banter with the police.

18.05, These Zealots look scarier in the og and are better designed.

18.29, Verdugo finger wag and not in the remake, nothing more needs to be said.

18.38, Finally we come to the Merchant and objectively hes far better in every way in the og, iv'e yet to hear one person say otherwise.

19.30, Better reloading and watch how Leon flips up after the suplex, the og wins here again.

19.58, Chainsaw man violence neutered for 2023 sensitivities.

20.14, Same with novistador death, also far better in og.

20.47, Way better regenerator death and the regenerators are just scarier in general in og, they have fat waddle in the remake that looks a bit silly.

21.01, Way better trap door scene here in Og and you can actually die unlike the remake whhich is toned down for casuals, in the og you must be on your toes. Also Salazar has a reason to know you're still alive and send verdugo down in the og. In the remake he has no reason to believe you're alive and send verdugo down.

22.04, Ashley scene is better in the og and there's no free escape like in the remake, it's just harder and more rewarding.

22.23, Way better gigante death animations in the lava on og and they can pull you in, the reamke it's just insta death for them..Lame

23.09-25.37, Better fight scene in the og here and krauser just sounds like an Edgelord in the remake, it's also makes more sense for ada to show here

25.39, Self explanatory with that hive in the og, nothing happens with it in the remake.

25.56-26.27, Much better ada scene here again in og and of course the voice acting. Leon saying "Women" here makes more sense in this context but again in 2023 that's not allowed since the remake is for casuals and will have many female players.

26.55, Better and more intense jumpscare in the og here

27.13, Here's the regenerators and they did not need to be changed at all in the remake, someone though it was a good idea to make them fat with a comedy waddle animation..

27.55, This island shot looks better on the og similar to alot of village scenes.

28.02-28.17, Better Krauser transformation scene and overall fight in the og.

28.18, Here's Sadler in the og with much more gravitas than the remake one who is just a clown.

28.53-30.37, Better Krauser dialogue and transformation scene and better fight in the og since there wasn't novistadores.

30.58-32.06, Much better scene with ada in the og and better voice acted which is no surprise.

Ashley flirts with Leon at the end and it's understandable a girl would say that in the og after all they went through, the remake it's toned down for modern audiences.

35.05- end, Alot of cut content from the remake and Leon flirting with Hunnigan which isn't allowed today.

My overall conclusion is that it's just another expected inferior remake to an original game just like re 2 remake and re 3 remake. There was just more talent and ideas back then and there wasn't cancel culture affecting design choices of the games.

Another issue is today they have to cater to the lowest common denominator and casuals for these remakes, hype merchants on twitch and youtube ect, people that are wowed by flashier graphics and less substance and who'll never upset the apple cart. They take what they're given and are happy to have it, while real fans like me and some others here get the short end.

Hopefully some of the big majority of this remakes playerbase who don't know the original games can see why the originals are superior, especially in this case re 4 original and that it's not just about flashy graphics, hype, modern sensibilities ect, and just see the charm and charisma that we lost for this remake and other modern remakes.

I hope i explained alot of my thoughts and opinions well here with alot of detail and clarity on the faults of the reamake. I did finish it and enjoy it btw but it will just be a one time play for me.

RE 1 remake will never be captured again and it's going to be forever the gold standard of remakes probably indefinitely. The original re games up to outbreaks was when re was truly great. Unfortunately these new ones are just trying to capture some of the FIFA playerbase and ultra casual players.

[RedRiot193]

Originalmente postado por REhorror:

Originalmente postado por JocularJosh:

Doesn't Demons Souls actually have more content in the original version since the remake ignored an entire area?
I remember a buch of people being disappointed with that.

Demon Souls PS5 is a huge travesty.

Dunno who manages to enjoy it, it turns Gothic horror style into Americanized Diablo 3 looking trash and go on and change the ethnicity/race of the characters. The fact the black clown brings it up as a good "remake" shows it's here to troll and piss people off.

I enjoyed it. The remake is great. I don't agree with black a whole lot. But he's right on that being a good remake. And yeah I played the og when it came out.

[JocularJosh]

Originalmente postado por RedRiot193:

Originalmente postado por REhorror:

Demon Souls PS5 is a huge travesty.

Dunno who manages to enjoy it, it turns Gothic horror style into Americanized Diablo 3 looking trash and go on and change the ethnicity/race of the characters. The fact the black clown brings it up as a good "remake" shows it's here to troll and piss people off.

I enjoyed it. The remake is great. I don't agree with black a whole lot. But he's right on that being a good remake. And yeah I played the og when it came out.

I enjoyed it, for sure, but it played exactly like the OG. Same clunkiness, exact same gameplay etc.
It basically just looked way better. Like, WAY better. But that's about it.
No QOL improvements or anything like that which was a huge shame since the game is all over the place in terms of difficulty and balancing.
And I remember some stuff behind locked behind a paywall (only availabe for the deluxe edition) which is always a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ thing to do.

[REhorror]

Originalmente postado por RedRiot193:

Originalmente postado por REhorror:

Demon Souls PS5 is a huge travesty.

Dunno who manages to enjoy it, it turns Gothic horror style into Americanized Diablo 3 looking trash and go on and change the ethnicity/race of the characters. The fact the black clown brings it up as a good "remake" shows it's here to troll and piss people off.

I enjoyed it. The remake is great. I don't agree with black a whole lot. But he's right on that being a good remake. And yeah I played the og when it came out.

Well, you be you.

The criticism of Demon Souls PS5 is all over the internet from dialog to atmosphere to art design, and people pray that Sony doesn't hire Bluepoint to do a Bloodbornes remake.

[RedRiot193]

Originalmente postado por JocularJosh:

Originalmente postado por RedRiot193:

I enjoyed it. The remake is great. I don't agree with black a whole lot. But he's right on that being a good remake. And yeah I played the og when it came out.

I enjoyed it, for sure, but it played exactly like the OG. Same clunkiness, exact same gameplay etc.
It basically just looked way better. Like, WAY better. But that's about it.
No QOL improvements or anything like that which was a huge shame since the game is all over the place in terms of difficulty and balancing.
And I remember some stuff behind locked behind a paywall (only availabe for the deluxe edition) which is always a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ thing to do.

Actually not true. There were qol things added. For one you can send items straight to storage without traveling back to the nexus. They made it easier to notice what world tendency you were on. They added photo mode. The frame rate being consistent locked 60. Better character creator. And they added a bunch of new animations. The gear you're talking about is obtainable in game. The deluxe is just a way to get it early. Like an early boost. Remake is superior in every way.

Bluepoints goal is to remake games as they were. They added enough not to tarnish the og experience.

[RedRiot193]

Originalmente postado por REhorror:

Originalmente postado por RedRiot193:

I enjoyed it. The remake is great. I don't agree with black a whole lot. But he's right on that being a good remake. And yeah I played the og when it came out.

Well, you be you.

The criticism of Demon Souls PS5 is all over the internet from dialog to atmosphere to art design, and people pray that Sony doesn't hire Bluepoint to do a Bloodbornes remake.

Yeah I can understand that. But the criticism is misplaced. There's nothing wrong with the remake whatsoever.

[REhorror]

Originalmente postado por RedRiot193:

Originalmente postado por REhorror:

Well, you be you.

The criticism of Demon Souls PS5 is all over the internet from dialog to atmosphere to art design, and people pray that Sony doesn't hire Bluepoint to do a Bloodbornes remake.

Yeah I can understand that. But the criticism is misplaced. There's nothing wrong with the remake whatsoever.

Bruh, if you think destroying the atmosphere/style of the game is totally fine, then go ahead.

Ironically, black clown criticism of RE4make (muh atmosphere muh colors) actually apply to Demon Souls 5 demake, and this makes him a bigger clown.

[JocularJosh]

Originalmente postado por RedRiot193:

Originalmente postado por REhorror:

Well, you be you.

The criticism of Demon Souls PS5 is all over the internet from dialog to atmosphere to art design, and people pray that Sony doesn't hire Bluepoint to do a Bloodbornes remake.

Yeah I can understand that. But the criticism is misplaced. There's nothing wrong with the remake whatsoever.

Well, don't say that just because you think so. I for one think there is plenty wrong with it. For example how they didn't the touch the gameplay at all. They could have at the very least modernize some of it.
Like for example Dead Space. That game incorporated gameplay mechanics from the second game instead of using the outdated ones from the original first game and it made for a way better experience.
There were a couple of instances in the original game that were straight up just trial and error while they weren't in the remake. Because they modernized the gameplay and the mechanics of the game while still keeping the feel of the old game.

Also, as far as I am aware and I just looked around a bit you cannot get the digital deluxe edition stuff ingame. Some things are completely locked behind that paywall.
https://www.reddit.com/r/demonssouls/comments/qm9wtf/is_the_deluxe_edition_worth_the_extra_cost/

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You seem to have an issue and seem to want to keep using ‘Lowest common denominator’ as an insult to anyone calling any of this out. What a fragile ego.

[RedRiot193]

Originalmente postado por JocularJosh:

Originalmente postado por RedRiot193:

Yeah I can understand that. But the criticism is misplaced. There's nothing wrong with the remake whatsoever.

Well, don't say that just because you think so. I for one think there is plenty wrong with it. For example how they didn't the touch the gameplay at all. They could have at the very least modernize some of it.
Like for example Dead Space. That game incorporated gameplay mechanics from the second game instead of using the outdated ones from the original first game and it made for a way better experience.
There were a couple of instances in the original game that were straight up just trial and error while they weren't in the remake. Because they modernized the gameplay and the mechanics of the game while still keeping the feel of the old game.

Also, as far as I am aware and I just looked around a bit you cannot get the digital deluxe edition stuff ingame. Some things are completely locked behind that paywall.
https://www.reddit.com/r/demonssouls/comments/qm9wtf/is_the_deluxe_edition_worth_the_extra_cost/

I must have gotten confused since you an get the blue eyed knight set. And while I agree that sucks and shouldn't be a thing at all. It didn't deter from my experience at all.

Like I already said. Blue point remakes games to be 1:1 with their og counterparts. That's how shadow of the colossus was that's how demon souls was. I think what you want is what re4 remake is which is more inline with a re-imagining. That's not what blue point does.

[RedRiot193]

Originalmente postado por REhorror:

Originalmente postado por RedRiot193:

Yeah I can understand that. But the criticism is misplaced. There's nothing wrong with the remake whatsoever.

Bruh, if you think destroying the atmosphere/style of the game is totally fine, then go ahead.

Ironically, black clown criticism of RE4make (muh atmosphere muh colors) actually apply to Demon Souls 5 demake, and this makes him a bigger clown.

The atmo and art style was perfectly fine in the remake.

[JocularJosh]

Originalmente postado por RedRiot193:

Originalmente postado por JocularJosh:

Well, don't say that just because you think so. I for one think there is plenty wrong with it. For example how they didn't the touch the gameplay at all. They could have at the very least modernize some of it.
Like for example Dead Space. That game incorporated gameplay mechanics from the second game instead of using the outdated ones from the original first game and it made for a way better experience.
There were a couple of instances in the original game that were straight up just trial and error while they weren't in the remake. Because they modernized the gameplay and the mechanics of the game while still keeping the feel of the old game.

Also, as far as I am aware and I just looked around a bit you cannot get the digital deluxe edition stuff ingame. Some things are completely locked behind that paywall.
https://www.reddit.com/r/demonssouls/comments/qm9wtf/is_the_deluxe_edition_worth_the_extra_cost/

I must have gotten confused since you an get the blue eyed knight set. And while I agree that sucks and shouldn't be a thing at all. It didn't deter from my experience at all.

Like I already said. Blue point remakes games to be 1:1 with their og counterparts. That's how shadow of the colossus was that's how demon souls was. I think what you want is what re4 remake is which is more inline with a re-imagining. That's not what blue point does.

Yeah I mean, in general this gear is not noticeable to be missing in game, especially if you do not even know about this but it's still nice to have everything in the game itself. Especially for that price.

Exactly. I get that. But that goes directly against what Black said earlier.

[REhorror]

Originalmente postado por RedRiot193:

Originalmente postado por REhorror:

Bruh, if you think destroying the atmosphere/style of the game is totally fine, then go ahead.

Ironically, black clown criticism of RE4make (muh atmosphere muh colors) actually apply to Demon Souls 5 demake, and this makes him a bigger clown.

The atmo and art style was perfectly fine in the remake.

No. I'm just gonna link a video detailing it here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lx0CRVVvV8

But if you want to a tl;dr: Bluepoints throws ♥♥♥♥ together, it has no cohesiveness.

[RedRiot193]

Originalmente postado por REhorror:

Originalmente postado por RedRiot193:

The atmo and art style was perfectly fine in the remake.

No. I'm just gonna link a video detailing it here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lx0CRVVvV8

But if you want to a tl;dr: Bluepoints throws ♥♥♥♥ together, it has no cohesiveness.

I'm tired of watching videos people post to try to justify their opinions.

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Originalmente postado por Samad Al Hayadi:

I wonder if Mendes transformation got cut because of ingame cutscenes and possible engine limitations that they might carry. You can actually see him swap models on explosion. I generally have a feeling that a lot of cut set pieces didnt make it because the price of remaking them was not worth the time you spent on them. Shame, because they added some variety to the gameplay. Although, remake`s gameplay is fun enough for me to no miss them too much.

It's a good point when you say about the re engine limitations, that's why we also got cut content in re 2 and re3 remakes with no spiders, worm, drain demos, moths ect.

Originalmente postado por Darkwalker:

Original is good, remake is better. Simple as that.

I don't think so

[BlackSunEmpire]

Originalmente postado por Cutt:

Originalmente postado por BlackSunEmpire:

I asked you multiple times why a video which shows 37 minutes of 1 to 1 scene comparisions between both games is considered "misleading" by you.
You where never able to answer that.

The fact that you keep reposting that video is enough evidence you're trolling. Everyone has seen it but you keep spaming it to troll people.

I post it untill you give me a valid answer..... and probably beyond that ;)
Because its pretty good proof of the downgrades in this remake.
Just saying that it is "misleading" without stating why, is not enough.

Originalmente postado por Cutt:

You can't do a "1 to 1" scene comparison because both games have entirely different scenes,

No they dont.
You walk mostly through the same areas with a slight change in level geometry here and there. Like you clearly can see in this video here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83BhJAZrXrc

You fight the same bosses and same enemies and the cutscenes happen also mostly at the same moments.

Village, church, castle, lake , island ... all there.

Originalmente postado por Cutt:

context, time and place where these cutscenes happen in the game. And the few scenes that ARE similar in the remake he flat out doesn't show to make it seem like it's not in the game.

Its the decision of the devstudio if they want to add annoying rain effects or change the time of day for a scene (I personally like the moments you play at sunset now) doesnt mean that you cant compare it with the original scene if it plays in the same places, which it mostly does.

Originalmente postado por Cutt:

Just from the start, why is it showing Leon confronting the villager in the original, but doesn't show the equvalent of that scene in the remake?

Thats a valid point. I agree with you on that single specific point.
And I would also say that the way the church is lit in sunset at 4:06 is also pretty good, no need to put that in the video.

But it doesnt change the rest of the 37 minutes.