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Extreme Hiding Apr 23, 2023 @ 11:47pm
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Another remake that didn't live up to the Original game.
I'm going to start by saying i 100% believe this game is aimed towards the lowest common denominator/console crowd and people who don't give a rats backside who Leon S Kennedy, Ada Wong, Ramon Salazar, Bitores Mendes, Luis Sera, Ashley Graham or any other character is and certainly not the story leading to re4 ect. Lowest common denominator saying "Oh this fmv of this guy training with some Army major is cool i guess..

Then the game starts and i want to base some points from this fantastic video that is aimed towards anyone reading here who's a fan of the franchise, the casuals won't probably know what the original is or what a gamecube was..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83BhJAZrXrc
The first scene at the start has heart and soul to it while the remake scene is one of many frustrating vacuum grabs by the enemy.

The lowest common denominator will already think it's better on the remake solely because of a graphical upgrade and a "modernisation" this is just a simple view

1.04 -1.54, Look at these areas that look better on the original game, especially the village sections. There's just more atmosphere and mood to the original.

2.53, Better acting and choreography in the Original here with Mendes, better Luis voice and i think even big cheese looks better here.

3.15, Much better scene again here in the original, style, flair and class and ada looks great in the satin dress over the s&m outfit which just seems ridiculous.

3.40, Another missed opportunity in the remake to add some fear and dread to the player with those dismembered and impaled bodies.

4.14, De lago section done better in the original even the shooting the water death.

5.30, I have to say objectively the original save theme is better, undeniable.

5.44, Some banter here with Hunnigan in the original but that's not allowed in 2023 or you get cancelled, lame.

5.56, Way better El Gigante scene in Og, look at whats going on in both and see for yourself, self explanatory. He just gets woken up the most lazy way possible in the remake.

7.06, This scene looks far better in the original as does most of the village. Imagine doing rain and lightning effects worse after 20 years..

7.15 Much better church scene in the original and the church looks better decorated in og.

8.27, Lightning flashes coming in the window and more atmospheric again, a common theme.

8.35, Fun banter here with the skirt but this is not allowed in 2023 with various movements and cancel culture in play. Ashley was given skorts in the remake so nobody gets offended, even tho you never see girls wear that.

8.45, Again fun banter with Luis and something you could definitely imagine him saying and Ashley gives some back. Again this is not allowed in 2023 so you get a lame sequence instead.

9.32, More better looking village sequences here in the Og.

9.48, You see a full transformation on Mendes in the og meanwhile in the remake he just appears instantly in the new form after the barrel explodes, lame. Even the eye falling out looks better on og.

11.06, Cut content with that truck

11.23, More tension here and working together to get to the castle, in the remake they just walk there no worries.

12.34- 15.00, Castle looks more alive and salazar is much more menacing in the og, he also sounds better.

15.00, A big one here with Ada which was one of the best scenes in the og game, they got this spectacularly wrong in the remake and of course that Voice to top it all off. Again sylte and class to the og scene.

16.45, Sadler here with personality and gravitas while in the remake he's a generic zealot and a clown.

17.02, same with Mendes.

17.18, Better banter with the police.

18.05, These Zealots look scarier in the og and are better designed.

18.29, Verdugo finger wag and not in the remake, nothing more needs to be said.

18.38, Finally we come to the Merchant and objectively hes far better in every way in the og, iv'e yet to hear one person say otherwise.

19.30, Better reloading and watch how Leon flips up after the suplex, the og wins here again.

19.58, Chainsaw man violence neutered for 2023 sensitivities.

20.14, Same with novistador death, also far better in og.

20.47, Way better regenerator death and the regenerators are just scarier in general in og, they have fat waddle in the remake that looks a bit silly.

21.01, Way better trap door scene here in Og and you can actually die unlike the remake whhich is toned down for casuals, in the og you must be on your toes. Also Salazar has a reason to know you're still alive and send verdugo down in the og. In the remake he has no reason to believe you're alive and send verdugo down.

22.04, Ashley scene is better in the og and there's no free escape like in the remake, it's just harder and more rewarding.

22.23, Way better gigante death animations in the lava on og and they can pull you in, the reamke it's just insta death for them..Lame

23.09-25.37, Better fight scene in the og here and krauser just sounds like an Edgelord in the remake, it's also makes more sense for ada to show here

25.39, Self explanatory with that hive in the og, nothing happens with it in the remake.

25.56-26.27, Much better ada scene here again in og and of course the voice acting. Leon saying "Women" here makes more sense in this context but again in 2023 that's not allowed since the remake is for casuals and will have many female players.

26.55, Better and more intense jumpscare in the og here

27.13, Here's the regenerators and they did not need to be changed at all in the remake, someone though it was a good idea to make them fat with a comedy waddle animation.. :facepalm:

27.55, This island shot looks better on the og similar to alot of village scenes.

28.02-28.17, Better Krauser transformation scene and overall fight in the og.

28.18, Here's Sadler in the og with much more gravitas than the remake one who is just a clown.

28.53-30.37, Better Krauser dialogue and transformation scene and better fight in the og since there wasn't novistadores.

30.58-32.06, Much better scene with ada in the og and better voice acted which is no surprise.

Ashley flirts with Leon at the end and it's understandable a girl would say that in the og after all they went through, the remake it's toned down for modern audiences.

35.05- end, Alot of cut content from the remake and Leon flirting with Hunnigan which isn't allowed today.

My overall conclusion is that it's just another expected inferior remake to an original game just like re 2 remake and re 3 remake. There was just more talent and ideas back then and there wasn't cancel culture affecting design choices of the games.

Another issue is today they have to cater to the lowest common denominator and casuals for these remakes, hype merchants on twitch and youtube ect, people that are wowed by flashier graphics and less substance and who'll never upset the apple cart. They take what they're given and are happy to have it, while real fans like me and some others here get the short end.

Hopefully some of the big majority of this remakes playerbase who don't know the original games can see why the originals are superior, especially in this case re 4 original and that it's not just about flashy graphics, hype, modern sensibilities ect, and just see the charm and charisma that we lost for this remake and other modern remakes.

I hope i explained alot of my thoughts and opinions well here with alot of detail and clarity on the faults of the reamake. I did finish it and enjoy it btw but it will just be a one time play for me.

RE 1 remake will never be captured again and it's going to be forever the gold standard of remakes probably indefinitely. The original re games up to outbreaks was when re was truly great. Unfortunately these new ones are just trying to capture some of the FIFA playerbase and ultra casual players.
Originally posted by BlackSunEmpire:
Originally posted by Feorge Gloyd:
Originally posted by BlackSunEmpire:

Which I did.
Most of the scenes he compares are literally 1 to 1.
And most of them have a better atmosphere in the original:

- better audio
- better voice acting
- the characters have more personality
- cutscenes are directed with way more effort
- the art design is more moody

The remake isnt a bad game,but its not as good as the original.
Which makes it pointless. Or only usefull for people who value graphics over gameplay.
Couldn't have said it better, it's obvious in 2023 with many more casual player that they'll be wowed by pretty graphics and won't care about substance or other metrics.

I have the theory that many of the advocates of the remake never liked the original game anyway, or haven't even played it. And yeah , there seem to be also quite a lot of younger people here who only judge the original based on its outdated graphics.

When you talk to the advocates of the remake, you get a lot of replies in the style of :

"Moving from a ridiculous comedy to a more serious, grittier tone is a positive"

" Yes the remake actually has gamma, contrast and black color compared to overlit original with no blacks. "

" If you like og Ashley and Hunnigan then you are a perv. "

" Slower movement and long drawn out animations make the game more realistic"

Originally posted by Feorge Gloyd:
You can clearly see the talent was higher back in 2004 they just didn't have modern tools for today with certain things. They also weren't held back by politics so the writers were free to write.

Most creative people had just better working conditions 20-30 years ago:

1.) The publisher did not interfere nearly as much with the creative process and gave developers more freedom to realize their own ideas, instead of forcing them to design games around fomo based ingame shops, battle- and seasonpasses and online gambling.

2.) Cancel and outrage culture did not exist back then. So devs could be as edgy as they wanted to be.

3.) No identitiy politics either, so you could still hire the best people for the job and didnt have to hire less qualified people just to fulfill some quota.

4.) Games were not mainstream yet, so no lowest common denominator games either.

5.) The CEOs of the studios were still Nerds with a passion for gaming instead Business Suites with a passion for spreadsheets and minmaxing. I mean just look at the CEOs of Square-Enix and Activision Blizzard nowadays.

6.) And most important, no microtransactions, no ingame shops, no online gambling, no battlepasses, no liveservice wastelands, no grinding 60 hours for one desireable item just to nudge you into buying them instead. Here this guy has summed it up pretty well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g16heGLKlTA
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Tenebris Vega Ω Apr 23, 2023 @ 11:58pm 
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dprog1995 Apr 23, 2023 @ 11:58pm 
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RE 1 remake isn't a perfect remake imo.

-It added more backtracking to RE 1(The crimson head zombies forced you to run back and forth to refill you canteen and carrying both canteen and the lighter filled 2 slots in your inventory)
-It made the soundtracks worse
-It toned down the blood and gore and removed dismemberment.
-It reduced the number of enemies that you fight
-It forced you to "unequip weapons" to run faster which isn't a good gameplay idea imo.
-It made hunters and spiders much less dangerous.
-It added the worst boss in the RE franchise.(which wasn't even a fight. Since you just have to push 4 rocks to make the boss kill herself)
-They added some extra "Fight the giant shark" section which was just a filler content and added nothing of value to the game.
Vez Apr 23, 2023 @ 11:58pm 
IDK man, yes some are warranted but still. The game is good.
TyresTyco Apr 24, 2023 @ 12:02am 
0/10 points. Copy paste garbage does not get any troll points.
Dawido Apr 24, 2023 @ 12:03am 
Skill issue
ratednom Apr 24, 2023 @ 12:05am 
Imagine spending your time writing up an essay why re4remake is bad when you could have spent your time playing the original. Many people already know crowbcat was caught altering footage and audio to make the remake look bad because of bias.
kripcision Apr 24, 2023 @ 12:10am 
re4 remake is the best RE to date as far as i'm concerned
76561199489170774 Apr 24, 2023 @ 12:13am 
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Extreme Hiding Apr 24, 2023 @ 12:57am 
Originally posted by kripcision:
re4 remake is the best RE to date as far as i'm concerned
And that's the type they're appealing to, wowed by shiny graphics and hype, people that live on twitch and youtube.



Originally posted by dprog1995:
RE 1 remake isn't a perfect remake imo.

-It added more backtracking to RE 1(The crimson head zombies forced you to run back and forth to refill you canteen and carrying both canteen and the lighter filled 2 slots in your inventory)
-It made the soundtracks worse
-It toned down the blood and gore and removed dismemberment.
-It reduced the number of enemies that you fight
-It forced you to "unequip weapons" to run faster which isn't a good gameplay idea imo.
-It made hunters and spiders much less dangerous.
-It added the worst boss in the RE franchise.(which wasn't even a fight. Since you just have to push 4 rocks to make the boss kill herself)
-They added some extra "Fight the giant shark" section which was just a filler content and added nothing of value to the game.
Complete nonsense, it improved the game by every single metric and is probably still the biggest graphical leap seen to date on top of that. I loved the original VA but it had to be changed so objectively you have to say it's better aswell. Defensive items was a great addition, great sound upgrade and atmospehere, great new areas, didn't cut content but addded content and meaningful content, New bosses, all the new areas were great and fleshed out. All the new modes were fun, so great replayability. The best looking jill model still over any game after it. The controls even stayed faithful and were improved. Crimson heads were a great addition and were scary, also forced to you to be careful which zombies you killed. Also you didn't need to use canteens if you dispatches them properly by beheading them. Better yawn fight(s) and better puzzles, Lisa Trevor was still a cool character and her area and story. Still the only faithful re remake.
Last edited by Extreme Hiding; Apr 24, 2023 @ 12:59am
kripcision Apr 24, 2023 @ 1:11am 
Originally posted by Feorge Gloyd:
Originally posted by kripcision:
re4 remake is the best RE to date as far as i'm concerned
And that's the type they're appealing to, wowed by shiny graphics and hype, people that live on twitch and youtube.
lol your ridiculous, i loved re4 the original and this version is more of the same but better, but go on troll.
Mtjeeves Apr 24, 2023 @ 1:14am 
I think the hype will dissipate quickly and it will be forgotten about in a few weeks.
Dollmaker Apr 24, 2023 @ 1:18am 
Im genuinely starting to hate this crowcat guy or whatever his name is, his vid as already been proven to be biased af and misleading.

Anyone that uses it for their argument instantly loses all credibility.
Iron Horse Apr 24, 2023 @ 1:25am 
TL;DR

Play whichever you want. Spend your money however you want. Be a responsible adult, not a baby.
Moogal™ Apr 24, 2023 @ 1:31am 
OG has: better gore, better story, better VAs, soulful graphics, more fun combat, better music and sounds etc.

Remake has: better Ashley, that's all i can think of. And even then she isn't that much better, OGs had charm too.
B Apr 24, 2023 @ 1:40am 
How many obvious flame bait threads do we actually need on the front page?
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