Concern over Early Access Achievement

[The Fox Knocks]

I noticed that just by purchasing Project Lazarus, I was given an Achievement for purchasing Project Lazarus in Early Access.

What's the plan with this when the game enters launch? This is going to be problematic for anyone who attempts to 100% the game after that.

[Wandering_Gemini]

NOT A DEV... OK now that is out of the way ... i see that as a problem for those that didn't get it when it was 1st starting out.

[Peter]

hmmm....I've had this question pop up a few times now, but if it brings more hate than love then we will eventually remove it. But let's worry about it when we leave EA.

I think...or do you think we should act now?

[The Fox Knocks]

Originally posted by Peter:

hmmm....I've had this question pop up a few times now, but if it brings more hate than love then we will eventually remove it. But let's worry about it when we leave EA.

I think...or do you think we should act now?

As someone who currently has a game on Steam, I can tell you that you will be very surprised at the sheer amount of people who want to 100% the game they enjoy. I made similar mistakes where some achievements were simply not very fun to get, but I thought it'd have been a nice little bonus and that's it.

Issue was, people wanted to 100% the game, so they grinded and grinded until they got those achievements anyway. It wasn't my intention for that to be the case, but it's how it ended up and ultimately I elected to remove said achievements.

The Early Access achievement is going to be literally impossible to obtain when the game leaves Early Access, as such you're going to have a lot of backlash when that time comes. I think it would be in your best interest to remove it more sooner than later, as every day your game grows, you want this to be less and less of a "thing".

Just my opinion, of course. You do what you think is right.

[Garres]

I would remove the achievement and give EA buyers exclusive access to some kind of cow level. Basically Grasslands, but with different enemies like mutated chickens, pigs, cows and cow king as final boss.

[Peter]

Originally posted by Garres:

I would remove the achievement and give EA buyers exclusive access to some kind of cow level. Basically Grasslands, but with different enemies like mutated chickens, pigs, cows and cow king as final boss.

This sounds like the solution. How does everyone feel about this?

[The Fox Knocks]

Originally posted by Peter:

Originally posted by Garres:

I would remove the achievement and give EA buyers exclusive access to some kind of cow level. Basically Grasslands, but with different enemies like mutated chickens, pigs, cows and cow king as final boss.

This sounds like the solution. How does everyone feel about this?

If you can spare the dev time, go for it. There doesn't need to be a big perk to playing a game in EA, though. Many people check out these kinds of games because they're in a genre that they're a fan of. No additional perks are really necessary. Everyone knows what Early Access is and what it entails and it rarely offers some kind of bonus.

Still, if it's something you could do for fun, why not?

[AuntEsther]

Give early goers a graphic Codpiece for their mechs.
Other than that, whatever suites your fancy

[Heister]

Originally posted by Peter:

Originally posted by Garres:

I would remove the achievement and give EA buyers exclusive access to some kind of cow level. Basically Grasslands, but with different enemies like mutated chickens, pigs, cows and cow king as final boss.

This sounds like the solution. How does everyone feel about this?

Since you're asking I'll give you my 2 cents on this...

I would not do anything that cannot be obtained later.

If you really want to give something for Early Access buyers, make it like a DLC that EA buyers get for free but late buyers can purchase it, and that's it.

As a "completionist" myself nothing pisses me off more than getting a game and noticing later that I'm not able to have the full experience even if I wanted to pay for it. Pre-purchase exclusives have a bad reputation for a reason.

And yeah, I'd definitely remove this achievement from the game asap.

Honestly, I don't think I really need anything else from purchasing the game in EA, for the price it is and the fun I already had, it was already well worth it.

[TͤͣͬearOfTheSͭͣͬtar]

Originally posted by Peter:

Originally posted by Garres:

I would remove the achievement and give EA buyers exclusive access to some kind of cow level. Basically Grasslands, but with different enemies like mutated chickens, pigs, cows and cow king as final boss.

This sounds like the solution. How does everyone feel about this?

Or mech skins, somekind of a beaten up veteran mechs repaired hundred times.

[Saitech]

Originally posted by TͤͣͬearOfTheSͭͣͬtar:

Originally posted by Peter:

This sounds like the solution. How does everyone feel about this?

Or mech skins, somekind of a beaten up veteran mechs repaired hundred times.

I actually really like this idea, gets my

[Panda V4]

Originally posted by Heister:

If you really want to give something for Early Access buyers, make it like a DLC that EA buyers get for free but late buyers can purchase it, and that's it.

As a "completionist" myself nothing pisses me off more than getting a game and noticing later that I'm not able to have the full experience even if I wanted to pay for it. Pre-purchase exclusives have a bad reputation for a reason.

I would support this - some minor DLC which is free for early acess buyers and costs a little bit of money after release. I personally really hate when there is something I cant get just because I was too late to buying the game.

[Kuroyuki]

I don't know if it is possible, but can't you make the early access achievement more of an Honorary achievement that doesn't count towards the achievement completion? Try to make it more like a badge of honor, and thanks, rather than something that makes those who either wait for full release or don't see the game until full release feel like they missed out on something.

[LionelParks]

I agree that having something that is no longer obtainable after Early Access period is over (regardless of what it is) is going to cause a fair amount of negativity. I myself am a bit of a completionist, and I know it would drive me nuts if I was forever stuck at 99%, or could never access the special level, etc. Making it paid DLC that was free for EA players is fine, but I think even though it seems counter-intuitive, having no perk at all is just as well because there's never any disappointment or resentment over missing a thing.

I think most people would agree that our EA perk is quite simply getting to play the game and see/help it develop.

[Outsider]

Originally posted by Peter:

Originally posted by Garres:

I would remove the achievement and give EA buyers exclusive access to some kind of cow level. Basically Grasslands, but with different enemies like mutated chickens, pigs, cows and cow king as final boss.

This sounds like the solution. How does everyone feel about this?

Cutting out GAMEPLAY CONTENT, even if it's a joke bonus level, for players who just so happen to buy your game later sounds horrible.
Just rename early access achievement into something like "let's begin" achievement, so anybody who start the game get it regardless of early access status.
And make joke bonus level unlockable after player beats all stages and their hyper modes or something.

Also EA page says that you might raise the price further into the development.
So if you want EA players to have something, we already have a discount. And a huge one if we bought this on current sale.
That's good enough.
Don't chop up the game in pieces and sell them separately like some corrupt AAA company.
Every player should get full access to all content, being bonus levels, skins, unlockables, anything. And everything.

[Morb The Menace]

Originally posted by Outsider:

Originally posted by Peter:

This sounds like the solution. How does everyone feel about this?

Cutting out GAMEPLAY CONTENT, even if it's a joke bonus level, for players who just so happen to buy your game later sounds horrible.
Just rename early access achievement into something like "let's begin" achievement, so anybody who start the game get it regardless of early access status.
And make joke bonus level unlockable after player beats all stages and their hyper modes or something.

Also EA page says that you might raise the price further into the development.
So if you want EA players to have something, we already have a discount. And a huge one if we bought this on current sale.
That's good enough.
Don't chop up the game in pieces and sell them separately like some corrupt AAA company.
Every player should get full access to all content, being bonus levels, skins, unlockables, anything. And everything.

Just came here to see if anyone adressed the EA achievement to be changed but this person sums up everything perfectly. Good lad, have a pint on me