man... as a lifelong sonic fan n a sega fanboy, i hate to say it...

[0wnz0r]

but u look at mario wonder, then u look at this... wtf was sega smokin thinkin this was a 60 dollar game??

then to pull the anti consumer nonsense..

dam... how could sega fall so far??

[The Logic Captain]

I beat both games and trying to compare Sonic Superstar to Mario Wonder is a insult to Mario Wonder.

Super Mario Bros Wonder: Frustration is replaced with pride.
Sonic Superstars: Frustration is replaced with relief that it's over.

[Umbe Nicky]

Originally posted by 0wnz0r:

but u look at mario wonder, then u look at this... wtf was sega smokin thinkin this was a 60 dollar game??

then to pull the anti consumer nonsense..

dam... how could sega fall so far??

They have been falling so far since too much time: even the failure of Sonic Frontiers' Final Horizon "update" confirms this tragic truth.

[J-Man]

Sonic Mania was 20 bucks and a far better product lol

[pythonfp]

Originally posted by 0wnz0r:

dam... how could sega fall so far??

Come on, it's been now decades since sega reached that level. To stoop any lower, they would need a shovel.

Objectively, nintendo always kept its standards pretty high when designing games.
How many mediocre sonics ?
How many mediocre marios (does it even exist, they seem to be meh at worse) ?

This game is pretty nice but when you reach the final bosses, you wonder if the designers even played the original games...

[NBOX21]

Originally posted by pythonfp:

How many mediocre marios (does it even exist, they seem to be meh at worse) ?

Well, if you count side-series and spin-offs, there's always the modern Paper Mario games, every Mario Party after DS, Super Mario Ball, all the Mario sports games on Switch, and even more I may have missed.

In terms of just the main series, I'd say New Super Mario Bros. U is really the only one to fall under that category as it just felt like a HD version of NSMB Wii without enough of a unique identity to make it stand out, which is especially bad for what was a launch title on one of their worst consoles (which may have been one contributing factor to the console's failure) where every other Mario launch title fared a lot better not just at being a game on its own but also showcasing the new console's capabilities.

[pythonfp]

Originally posted by NBOX21:

In terms of just the main series, I'd say New Super Mario Bros. U is really the only one to fall under that category as it just felt like a HD version of NSMB Wii without enough of a unique identity to make it stand out, which is especially bad for what was a launch title on one of their worst consoles (which may have been one contributing factor to the console's failure) where every other Mario launch title fared a lot better not just at being a game on its own but also showcasing the new console's capabilities.

Interesting analysis.
Concerning New Super Mario Bros. U, was the experience a mixed bag of design fails or just a "generic mario" since you wrote it lacks identity ?

[NBOX21]

Originally posted by pythonfp:

Originally posted by NBOX21:

In terms of just the main series, I'd say New Super Mario Bros. U is really the only one to fall under that category as it just felt like a HD version of NSMB Wii without enough of a unique identity to make it stand out, which is especially bad for what was a launch title on one of their worst consoles (which may have been one contributing factor to the console's failure) where every other Mario launch title fared a lot better not just at being a game on its own but also showcasing the new console's capabilities.

Interesting analysis.
Concerning New Super Mario Bros. U, was the experience a mixed bag of design fails or just a "generic mario" since you wrote it lacks identity ?

Yeah, it's mostly just "Generic Mario" that lacked identity. It's a solid game on its own that's mostly well made, but it was far too similar to its predecessor in addition to not really making a good showcase of what the Wii U tablet could do when every other Mario game that launched with a Nintendo console in the past also had that "tech demo" side of things that gave it that lasting legacy if that makes sense. The main reason why I put it on the mediocre side of things is because it wasn't a good launch title especially compared to other Mario games that launched with the consoles they released on.

Thankfully, from what I've been hearing, Wonder seems to have gone back to bringing a lot more creativity in that franchise again like we used to.

[0wnz0r]

Originally posted by NBOX21:

Originally posted by pythonfp:

Interesting analysis.
Concerning New Super Mario Bros. U, was the experience a mixed bag of design fails or just a "generic mario" since you wrote it lacks identity ?

Yeah, it's mostly just "Generic Mario" that lacked identity. It's a solid game on its own that's mostly well made, but it was far too similar to its predecessor in addition to not really making a good showcase of what the Wii U tablet could do when every other Mario game that launched with a Nintendo console in the past also had that "tech demo" side of things that gave it that lasting legacy if that makes sense. The main reason why I put it on the mediocre side of things is because it wasn't a good launch title especially compared to other Mario games that launched with the consoles they released on.

Thankfully, from what I've been hearing, Wonder seems to have gone back to bringing a lot more creativity in that franchise again like we used to.

wonder is a return to form for 2d mario.

like u said the new games were all solid, but felt formulaic.

wonder returns to the whole, "every mario is a new experience" philosophy. mario 1 to 3, to world, to 64... to sunshine...

wonder wont show off switches capabilities, but its gameplay is next gen mario

[0wnz0r]

Originally posted by Umbe Nicky:

Originally posted by 0wnz0r:

but u look at mario wonder, then u look at this... wtf was sega smokin thinkin this was a 60 dollar game??

then to pull the anti consumer nonsense..

dam... how could sega fall so far??

They have been falling so far since too much time: even the failure of Sonic Frontiers' Final Horizon "update" confirms this tragic truth.

i dont play 3d sonic tbh.

i thought ppl felt frontiers was good?

[Axelhander]

Wonder is so much better than Superstars it ain't even funny.

[0wnz0r]

Originally posted by Axelhander:

Wonder is so much better than Superstars it ain't even funny.

sega shoulda paid more attention to its competitors release dates...

[Axelhander]

Originally posted by 0wnz0r:

Originally posted by Axelhander:

Wonder is so much better than Superstars it ain't even funny.

sega shoulda paid more attention to its competitors release dates...

They also should've put out a good game.

[0wnz0r]

Originally posted by Axelhander:

Originally posted by 0wnz0r:

sega shoulda paid more attention to its competitors release dates...

They also should've put out a good game.

they shoulda made good business decisions these last 30 years