Very fast drop in relationship

[Oaks]

My English folk were trying to be friends with Palmyrene Empire. I was at "trusted" with her, then one turn to the next the relationship level dropped to the lowest level.

I'm not sure why. There are no wars, she has no allies, I was importing their delicious bread. Could it be that sometimes a relationship drops for not reason?

Thanks!

[Cryten]

Any chance you expanded on their borders? Just spitballing, but it seems odd that bonuses to friendliness such as agreeing to a proposal only lasts 1-2 turns of friendliness with me.

[lusciouslanguidity]

Did they denounce you

[Oaks]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย lusciouslanguidity:

Did they denounce you

Yes, but I couldn't see a reason why. Our borders aren't anywhere near each other.

[Fast Pooper]

The other civs don't seem to be like actual civs but "players" if they think you are ahead or competing with them for score they will start disliking you. The diplomacy is kind of useless.

[lusciouslanguidity]

denounce is stronger apparently if you are closer to them. it's like a crude form of backstabbing.

[The Former]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Oaks:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย lusciouslanguidity:

Did they denounce you

Yes, but I couldn't see a reason why. Our borders aren't anywhere near each other.

Probably because Zenobia is aggressive. Aggressive leaders are tricky to make friends with.

[Oaks]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย The Former:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Oaks:

Yes, but I couldn't see a reason why. Our borders aren't anywhere near each other.

Probably because Zenobia is aggressive. Aggressive leaders are tricky to make friends with.

Ahh gotcha. At least it wasn't anything I did.

[mauporte]

I also see it as part of the deception: they always wanted that city you have, but they pretended to be friends while they are gathering troops.

[lusciouslanguidity]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย The Former:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Oaks:

Yes, but I couldn't see a reason why. Our borders aren't anywhere near each other.

Probably because Zenobia is aggressive. Aggressive leaders are tricky to make friends with.

the game could do a better job of telegraphing these traits and how they affect diplomacy on the diplomacy screen then

[N311]

There is no real negative effect for declaring war when relations are good. So i'm not surprised AI will act just like players would.

Unless your in military/research alliance i don't think they really get anything from you. and even trade between nations is very small when compared to either sides domestic production. get one item over 4 turns but both sides could be making 4 per turn.

In my game i declared war on a AI player that was close to me and raised 2 cities. The reason i wanted 1-5 regions that they had already claimed. Even though i was firmly ahead of them by margin of 40% in term of prestige (me first them second in ranking)

[spacedog]

I don't think it's entirely about aggressive vs. pacifist leader personalities. I think there are definitely bugs in the algorithm here.

I my last game, Zenobia was fighting with all my neighbors, but cozied up to me and asked for trade and research agreements. This culminated with her eventually asking for an alliance (which I accepted), and then slandering me 2 turns later then declaring war on me. I literally went from 100 relationship to 0 in about 3 turns, for no apparent reason.

It's interesting that I see a lot of people complaining about the same leader though. Maybe she does have some kind of "paranoid schizophrenic" trait that's not visible. But I'm more inclined to think it's a bug.

[Takfloyd]

Zenobia specifically is being a crazy female canine in my game too. I definitely think she simply has AI personality weights set to "murder". Which is nice if that's the case. The leaders should have memorable personalities.

[universecreep]

It's because people are downvoting the game so it's only mixed so the relationship of the players is down.

I think the relationship with the game can improve but it needs time.

[Elucidus]

I went from ally to adversary with Argentina in 1 turn. In the same turn everyone else went to adversary as well, this was the turn before or the turn of the Act Transition. Argentina was on a different continent, oh and they denounced me that same turn, it showed they went from Ally to Neutral and Neutral to Adversary in one turn.

Definitely felt like some sort of bug.