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Get real? Your complaining that the game is not pulp enough and it shouldn't focus on Nazis atrocities. The series is about stopping the Nazis winning the war and their experiments with paranormal and advanced technologies, it just makes narrative sense to have a concentration camp involved at some point. Just because the tone is different in the game doesn't stop the location being any more relevant especially considering what the Nazis did in some camps i.e. experiment.
It didn't focus on it, the same way HL2 never focused on all the ♥♥♥♥ combines did yet still gives you the image and a few glimpses of it.
You also don't seem to understand me when I'm talking tone. The tone of the ENTIRE game is different from the previous series, not just the concentration camp. A concentration camp level DOES fit this game's tone... which is part of the reason I dislike the game as a whole.
I'm replaying Deus Ex: Human Revolution right now. It has a very dark, serious and mournful tone. That many of the documents/e-mails I find in game are humerous or ridiculous does not suddenly change the game to a comedy. The overwhelming tone of New Order during cutscenes is dark and depressing. This in-game letter represents the overall tone of the game:
I'm eight years old and I dance on the edge of white chalk cliffs of Rügen. The
sun is in my eyes, the salty wind in my curly blonde hair. I stop by the Wissower
Klinken, dangle my legs over the edge, and I watch the azure coastline of the
Baltic Sea. It sparkles beneath the clear blue sky.
Ten years later. I sit underneath a big oak tree on the Berlin University
campus, surrounded by friends and they're talking and laughing. I'm grown up
now. The boys stare at my body, I can tell. But I'm looking at someone else.
I sit in the back of a movie theater, my arm around the shoulders of a
dark-haired girl. We kiss in the dark and I put my hand on her breast. I want her
to be my girl. I want to walk her home.
We're naked on the wrinkled sheets of her bed, entangled and writhing.
My face is flushed and my eyes are closed and my body is trembling with
pleasure. It feels like I'm touching perfection. We share a cigarette afterwards by
the window overlooking Kreuzbergstraße.
I'm in a smoky café beneath Unter den Linden holding a copy of my
first book, discussing politics and philosophy with my friends. Outside, uniformed
men ready their guns. I hear a door slamming open.
I run through the Berlin night, blood and brain matter in my hair and
on my face. I climb up the ladders, up the walls of this concrete hell. I'm the
persecuted, the misfit, the unwanted blood of Germania.
I stand in a church and the SS officer in front of me puts a ring on my
finger. We've created a pact, he and I. A lavender marriage to draw off the
scent. My dark-haired lover, the bride's maid, is smiling at me from the back and
I smile back at her. I lie on a hospital bed and I scream as I push one last time. The baby
slips out of my body, covered in blood and a waxy white substance. As they
place him in my arms, the umbilical cord still connected to my womb feels warm
against my stomach. My words fail to describe how I feel
I run through the park with my three year old son, through a cloud of
mist from the mermaid fountain, and I feel like a child again. I almost forget
the ache in my heart; the fear that I harbor of ill deeds to come and the changing
of times
I scream with despair and my face is wet with tears and my eyes are
bright red. Two police officers are holding arms. Husband's eyes are
downcast, surrendered, and his arms are cuffed behind his back. Paragraph
175, they say. In the corner stands my lover with her arms wrapped around our
son. I try to forget the frightened look on their faces as I'm dragged out the door.
I lie here in a bunk bed in Camp Belica and I'm coughing up blood.
My hands are broken from the toil in the limestone quarry and I've not eaten in
days. Sometimes I meet new friends, but one after the other they die away and
I'm left alone again. The wind blows cold, freezing my bones. I close my eyes. Imagine my
son's soft hand slipping into mine. His warm body lying next to me. And we lie
in the grass, with the sun in our eyes and the wind in our hair, on the white chalk
cliffs of Rügen.
-- Christa Mann (von Groszheim), Camp Belica 1960
If you could actually sum up New Order with "Space Nazis. Nazi Beatles. & Nazi 60's music" then I think I'd have a completely different view of the game.
I also like how you mentioned Half-Life 2 and it gives you a taste of how the world has turned to crap without shoving your face in it and I wish New Order had taken a page from that style.
EDIT: I'm not sure why I'm putting any thought into this thread. I don't think the OP even played the game past the prologue level, which would explain many of the wild assumptions. Yup, 0.2 hours. His second post pointing out that a game should be 'neutral with differing parties'... which pretty much represents the game's Resistance force. Depending on that initial choice in game there are Germans (one even being an ex-Nazi), a Jew, American(s), Polish, Russian, British and African resistance members.
Unless by neutral he means a game shouldn't take a hardline stance on Nazis. lol.
I understood what you meant about tone but your confusing my meaning of 'greater offense'. Narratively speaking if you have a series where you play a jewish hero killing Nazis then the greater offense is to ignore a setting like concentration camps, it would easily fit the tone of RTCW and the other games. Especially when the series is routed in the paranormal / supernatural / future tech and Nazis did experiment with prisoners in these camps. Its also good bet to assume that in the 14 year gap the Nazis would realise what a waste this is to them and put these people to work. If anything the devs didn't go far enough with the idea.
"was never specified or intended at the time, though I intended him to be of Polish descent."
So I don't know where you are getting this from. Even if BJ is Jewish this information isn't relevant to any of the games and was NEVER mentioned in any game, from Wolf 3D to New Order.
Come on your just being pedantic now. Fair enough that its not confirmed he's Jewish but you can't see why it would be relevant?, poetic irony.
What is it that you want? Yes IF BJ were Jewish and IF it were ever mentioned it might have been relevant to have some acknoledgement or concentration camp level. Even IF that were the case it would be possible to have a darker more serious moment to acknowledge the real horrors of WWII & the holocaust (in a series involving zombies, the occult, magic & mechs) and then return to the camp without having the ENTIRE FRIGGIN' GAME be a depressing drama.
The recent Shadow Warrior reboot/prequel did a great job of maintaining the original's camp and goofiness but it also managed to have a surprisingly emotional story thread. The ending actually managed to pack some emotional punch as it came out of nowhere. In New Order it amazes me that people feel the ending came out of nowhere... it completely fits the tone of the rest of the game. I may hate the tone of New Order but if nothing else they stayed consistent from start to finish.
Agree to disagree, I always enjoyed the irony of the so called inferior race killing Nazis left, right and centre while also looking like an aryan pinup. (Yes not confirmed but thats one hell of a coincidence if not)
Just because its a concentration camp doesn't mean you have to a serious tone, you could have a Carry On film set in one where they all get gassed at the end and it would still be a comedy. For a series where you kill Nazis along with all the mutants/ghost/robots a concentration camp makes a logical setting, it has nothing to do with acknowledging what really happened nor does it need to other than how realitive to the plot it could be i.e. the real Nazis experimented on people in camps and Deathshead is a sciencetist afterall. The setting doesn't relate to the tone, I understand you don't like it but it doesn't make it any less appropriate.
I haven't played Shadow Warrior yet only had a quick mess about in it so I can't comment on it.
I got New Order in the last sale so I didn't read any spoilers and haven't looked since playing but my main complaint with the game is the ending or the lack of one. I hate endings that just end for so called shock value implying BJ's death when it makes no sense, unless I'm mistaken the mission was to kill Deathshead. So after killing him the most commen sense thing to do would be "hold on guys, I've just killed Deathshead so no rush. Can someone please come pick me up before nuking the place"
Okay, let's really breakdown what this post has just said. And let's really consider who has the "narrow little mind" as you've stated to someone earlier.
First of all, Nazi Germany was pure evil. If you disagree, you are a disgrace and your opinion is null. Call me blunt, but, that's the truth.
Let me now clarify that the German Wehrmacht in WWII were not all Nazis. But you aren't fighting them in this game. Not all Germans were monsters in real life. This is understood by anyone with a rational mind. I don't need a video game to hold my hand and remind me of this.
Keeping that in mind, do you really want the 'Germans' that you are killing (butchering, dismembering) in the game to be..... good people? There's a reason why all of the "Germans" in the game are portrayed as psychotic Nazis. It's not telling you all Gemrans are Nazis, it's telling you all Nazis are evil monsters. It's a dehumanizing technique to let the gory gameplay roll. I would not want to play a game like this if the enemy was in any way "good".
Also, this game heavily imbues the "gung-ho" American persona as a dark humor technique. It's waaaay over the top (which fits into the super dark humor of the Wolfenstein franchise). So, no wonder your character has the Uber sly, Uber "clever" as you'd call it persona and wit. He's the super American, over-the-top protagonist that you are playing as - why would you expect anything else?
And your little "every murder nowadays *is* attributed to the Muslims by all 'US Intelligence'..." statement shows your true colors. You just hate America (probably not by your own opinion, I'm sure mommy and daddy are there to help you form "your" opinion). I'm quite in tune with American politics and our politically correct culture. We live in a country where a person of the Islamic faith can behead a woman in a parking lot and our media won't even call it terrorism. Wherever you are getting your news, I'd suggest you broaden your horizons a bit.
... Now go kill some Nazi scum and don't take the game so seriously ...
If you were a German, this game wouldn't work for you and you'd have the German Edition, which has a completely different forum, instead.
If you are going to have a concentration camp to NOT give it a serious tone would be offensive. We're talking genocide and the only way the previous series could have gotten away with it was to liberate a camp to free the prisoners and stop some sort of super soldier experimentation. Why do that when you are treading on thin ice and it doesn't fit the matinee style?
BJ's only real purpose once waking up is to stop his nemesis Deathshead. The game feels like a dark suicide mission from the start... that it ends the way it does fits with the tone of the rest of the game. Despite disliking this game, I will say of all their emo plot elements they did a fantastic job with Deathshead and he stole the spotlight everytime he appeared. I wish there was more of him in game as he put Frau Engle to shame.
You're completely right. I thought the German version had all references to Nazis removed to begin with. I initially was assuming he heard some line about killing Nazis, said 'ef this game' then quit it. Looking at his older posts he has had serious issues even getting the game to run and I suspect he created this thread to either troll or in anger at being unable to run the game.
Troll thread everybody, false alarm. Back to your stations!
Secondly, I guess it is ironic enough that Nazis in this game are being killed by a person of Polish descent. You know Nazis theory put slavic people only a little bit higher than the Jews and they did massive damage to Poland. Plus, lots of Jews killed during the WW II were Polish citizens you know. And also, I think that not mentioning the way Nazis ruled the lands they took and the crimes they commited there in many places may lead to people attributing these crimes to other countries, like Poland for example.