Wolfenstein: The New Order

Wolfenstein: The New Order

Ramona's Diaries
Now after completing the game and yes, hearing all the diary entires. I read something very peculiar from Anya.

"-Some of these things happened a long time ago, and some of these things might have happened to me."


It makes me think, are the diary entries really from her deceased cousin Ramona, or are they actually about Anya and her past?
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DogMeat Jun 11, 2014 @ 3:09pm 
Its obviously about Anya.
Wolf 🐺 Jun 11, 2014 @ 3:57pm 
Originally posted by DogMeat:
Its obviously about Anya.

How do you figure? Some of those entries are from when the war started and Anya is still pretty young in 1960 when we meet her.
DogMeat Jun 11, 2014 @ 4:24pm 
Originally posted by Wolf:
Originally posted by DogMeat:
Its obviously about Anya.

How do you figure? Some of those entries are from when the war started and Anya is still pretty young in 1960 when we meet her.
Anya is 37 in 1960. The earliest entries are from 1940 when she is 17. Ask yourself what the point of her reading the diaries is. That was my very first question when she starts during the Berlin sewer level. My first idea was that 'Ramona's' diary would reveal something about Deathshead... some clue about the Nazis or some revelation about a character. No... its just entry after entry of her murdering people. The only possible reason for telling a story like that is the classic 'I have this friend who did this and this... what do you think about that? 'Cause that friend was actually me'. If that doesn't convince you, go into the extras menu page and 'Ramona's' diary says 'Journal of Anya' right on the friggin' front cover. Her telling that story is just her way of gauging BJ's reaction... see if he'd still like her after revealing what a horrible person she was. Unfortunately they don't leave it up to the player as I'd tell her to go **** herself.
Wolf 🐺 Jun 11, 2014 @ 4:42pm 
Originally posted by DogMeat:
The only possible reason for telling a story like that is the classic 'I have this friend who did this and this... what do you think about that? 'Cause that friend was actually me'. If that doesn't convince you, go into the extras menu page and 'Ramona's' diary says 'Journal of Anya' right on the friggin' front cover.

I didn't even know she was 37 in 1960, she seemed younger than that to me for whatever reason. It's an interesting perspective of looking at it though. Just like you said, it's your typical, "let's say I know this guy, who did this terrible thing. Is that bad?" sort of approach to the whole thing. I haven't seen the extras yet, I've only just finished the game on Über. In my opinion, if she enjoys killing Nazis that much, she's probably an excellent fit for Blazkowicz.
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DogMeat Jun 11, 2014 @ 4:49pm 
BJ kills soldiers who get in his way during missions. Anya murders anyone, swastika or not for 'revenge'. Burys one guy alive, drowns a guy who tries to save her from a river, burns others alive etc. If shes a perfect fit for this new BJ then I have to say BJ isn't the character I thought he was. Honestly, after listening to her 'confessions' I hated her and was hoping she would get killed at some point in the game.
Wolf 🐺 Jun 11, 2014 @ 4:55pm 
I don't know, I think it can be argued either way. Both enjoy killing to a certain degree, clearly Anya more than Blazkowicz, but they both hate Nazis equally in my opinion. I would however argue that Anya has more of a motive to be more violent than Blazkowicz does considering that her county (and most of Europe for that matter) got a hell of an ass kicking.
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DogMeat Jun 11, 2014 @ 5:09pm 
I don't know if BJ necessarily 'enjoys' it. He does it because he has to. You can look at his actions and he falls under a category of 'soldier' or 'resistance fighter'.

Anya's very words describe her as 'terrorist' or 'murderer'. She justifies every kill of hers with the word Nazi, including a messy abortion of a 'Nazi' baby (As if a baby can be a Nazi you stupid ***** - aimed at Anya, not you dear reader). Remove the word Nazi and read her journals and its depraved and sick, but somehow it becomes moral because they are 'Nazis' even though it really sounds as if she is targeting random Germans, from traffic cops to burning people alive at an entertainment establishment.
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Wolf 🐺 Jun 11, 2014 @ 5:10pm 
Originally posted by DogMeat:
including a messy abortion of a 'Nazi' baby.

I actually remember that one in particular. Now that I consider what you're saying, I agree, she's pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up in the head.

EDIT: Despite that though I still think she's a pretty good character in the entirety of the story. Yes, he kills because he has to, but they're still both killers by the base definition of the word which gives them a similarity to go on.
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DogMeat Jun 11, 2014 @ 5:26pm 
Well she's a good character in that she got a strong reaction from me, as you can see. Shes a horrible character in the sense that I no longer cared for their relationship. There was what I assume was supposed to be a beautiful moment as BJ is returning to earth and he talks about the horrible things he has seen, but the one and only thing he wants to see is her. The player, myself, now hated Anya after listening to her crap and I no longer could sympathize with BJ about seeing her again and all emotional connection to their story was lost. I almost wish that I had been like a lot of people and NOT made the connection that Ramona = Anya. Heck, the ending where BJ appears to die didn't impact me because dammit, if the game wont kill Anya or allow me any say over their relationship at least I don't have to see them get back together.

So yeah... I completely hated her character and wish the whole romantic sub plot had been replaced with actual gameplay.
Wolf 🐺 Jun 11, 2014 @ 5:30pm 
I see your point and why you hate her as a character. With regards to story writing, I still think it was pretty cool that she's essentially the Statue of Liberty at the end of the game. Slightly off topic though, I really hope he's not dead since I heard the sound of a chopper at the end of the credits. I'd really be down for another game in the future, or maybe some DLC or an expansion if that's the case.
Espectro Jun 11, 2014 @ 8:27pm 
I think the treatment of Anya is good writing. It adds some depth to the character and makes her participation in the resistance (with respect to a leadership role) more credible. The initial portrayal we get, which is probably BJ's primary perception of her, is that of the stock, nurturing female. Just a sympathetic person to be rescued and protected by the hero. Instead, she's somebody who took action in complete isolation, with no military training, and continued fighting solely through the use of her wits.

Did she do some horrible things? Yeah. But let's keep it in context. Her old boyfriend was gunned down just because his horse was blocking the road. And aside from the physical brutality of the nazis in the game, their political agenda is clear--to eradicate all other cultural perspectives. Such as when Strasse declares English a dead language or the nazis coerce the British into eating sausage and Sauerkraut instead of bangers and mash. I don't necessarily condone her actions, but I certainly don't hate her for it--particularly after watching her patients being taken for human experiments over the years and then her parents and the remaining patients and staff being slaughtered by thuggish soldiers.

She preyed on some nice guy nazis. In the context of all that occured--boo ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hoo?

I think it's obvious that the diary was about Anya and that this was her trying to see if BJ would reject her if he knew what she had done. And I think that is significant as well. If she herself was emotionally ok with everything she had done, I don't see why she would even bring it up to him. My interpretation is that she is worried about his reaction because she is conflicted about her own feelings about what she had done. Which is a realistic portrayal of a person with flaws.

DogMeat Jun 11, 2014 @ 9:40pm 
Originally posted by Espectro:
Instead, she's somebody who took action in complete isolation, with no military training, and continued fighting solely through the use of her wits.
She didn't fight, she never fought. She whored herself out, then struck with the victim unaware. Not one of her kills was a 'fight'. Well, unless you count the kid who wanted a kiss who begs for his mother as she stabs him to death.

Originally posted by Espectro:
Did she do some horrible things? Yeah. But let's keep it in context. Her old boyfriend was gunned down just because his horse was blocking the road.

She preyed on some nice guy nazis. In the context of all that occured--boo ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hoo?
So, one murder means someone is justified in becoming a full-fledged psycho killer? What exactly does her murdering accomplish anyway? If anything it will justify the next Nazi killing someone for blocking the street. With that line of thinking the Nazis were completely justified killing her parents. Maybe the one who blasted her parents lost his friend in the fire.
John Helldiver Jun 12, 2014 @ 1:21am 
@Dogmeat

I can understand that you might not be one of the kind of people with the stomach for human death, though many others might share the perspective that sometimes certain groups of people are just better off dead. I'm not advocating for genocide, because genetic diversity is demanded by our very nature, but people with agendas or ideals that are to the detriment of the greater majority of people tend to be better off gone from this world.

Anya resisted the entirety of the Nazi Regime and the Werhmacht through stealth, intelligence, and infiltration. Sure she used sex as a weapons, and that's very cold and intelligent of a woman who was resisting the German occupation of her home and country.


That said, playing the entire game made me think on how the world would be under Nazi Germany, if they won the war... all the genocide, murder, and subjugation aside, we could have been 100-years more advanced technologically, possibly even further.
Rhudda Jun 12, 2014 @ 4:48am 
Originally posted by Sierra:
That said, playing the entire game made me think on how the world would be under Nazi Germany, if they won the war... all the genocide, murder, and subjugation aside, we could have been 100-years more advanced technologically, possibly even further.

I highly doubt that. The Nazis were pretty anti-intellectual. They drove away or imprisoned plenty of good scientists not only due to their heritage, but also due to their unwillingness to share the Nazi ideology. Add the fact that quite a few of their projects were more aimed at being impressive than at feasibility and you get a recipe for disaster.

Besides, even in the game the Nazis didn't advance the sciences, they stole Jewish technology.
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Espectro Jun 12, 2014 @ 7:28am 
Originally posted by DogMeat:
She didn't fight, she never fought. She whored herself out, then struck with the victim unaware. Not one of her kills was a 'fight'. Well, unless you count the kid who wanted a kiss who begs for his mother as she stabs him to death.

She did a variety of things, including stealing grenades and arson. The overarching theme of the diaries is that she wasn't a soldier. So no, she didn't "fight" in the conventional sense. But I think you're quibbling over the word.

So, one murder means someone is justified in becoming a full-fledged psycho killer? What exactly does her murdering accomplish anyway? If anything it will justify the next Nazi killing someone for blocking the street. With that line of thinking the Nazis were completely justified killing her parents. Maybe the one who blasted her parents lost his friend in the fire.

One murder...plus the violent military takeover of the entire world (including ethnic cleansing, concentration camps, etc.). You act like it's just some random isolated incident. And as far as that goes, suppose a military force invades your town and shoots your dad, or your wife, or your child because they got in the way. Are you going to wave your hands and say "oh well, it's just one murder--no need to go all crazy about it."

Whether or not she's justified in what she did is debatable. Whether its productive in any way is also debatable. But personally I think its understandable that some people are going to react the way she did, and while I may not be happy about some of these incidents I certainly don't hate the character for it.

Meanwhile, BJ dispatches scores of similar nazis in every level of gameplay, some of whom have no idea what's going on (like the guys in the elevator in the London Nautica). And there's a reference that Set Roth's plan to undermine the nazi superconcrete with mold has already caused one entire building to collapse in Paris.
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