Beloved Rapture

Beloved Rapture

GlockLesnar 2024 年 1 月 1 日 上午 9:06
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LGBT Elements?
Hiya, I am a part of the LGBT community, and I'm glad to see more great Indie titles adding representation. Though as someone that values harmony, I'm also not one for modern day politics being inserted into escapist mediums. Two of the Best Games and worst offenders I played last year were Timespinner and Small Saga. Both masterpieces is game design and story that were let down by the insertion very heavy handed modern politics that were out of place and jarring.

By contrast, I also played quite a few LGBT games last year that avoided this issue like: The Cosmic Wheel Sisterhood, Chained Echoes, Arcadian Atlas and Romanicelvania, that managed to have LGBT characters and romance stories without coming off as propaganda.

In short, Is this going to be the writers self insert wish fulfillment or a relatable tale with LGBT characters?
引用自 Rapturous Games:
Thanks for the thoughtful question! Although perhaps some of it might answer itself if you have time to try out the demo. I prefer to let the game speak for itself rather than try to summarize.

I will say...as a writer, we can't help but put some of ourselves into the characters - but I decided to intentionally avoid making the story overly "political" (at least in the traditional modern sense). I wanted the story to have some room to breathe...to possibly be appreciated by nearly anyone open to it, whether LGBT+ or not. The characters are complex human beings first and foremost.

That's why I chose not to prioritize LGBTQ+ elements in the marketing, even though that actually might hurt total sales. I want the characters and themes to stand on their own, regardless of the character's sexuality, etc.
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Gustavo 2024 年 10 月 9 日 下午 7:17 
引用自 GlockLesnar
Hiya, I am a part of the LGBT community, and I'm glad to see more great Indie titles adding representation. Though as someone that values harmony, I'm also not one for modern day politics being inserted into escapist mediums. Two of the Best Games and worst offenders I played last year were Timespinner and Small Saga. Both masterpieces is game design and story that were let down by the insertion very heavy handed modern politics that were out of place and jarring.

By contrast, I also played quite a few LGBT games last year that avoided this issue like: The Cosmic Wheel Sisterhood, Chained Echoes, Arcadian Atlas and Romanicelvania, that managed to have LGBT characters and romance stories without coming off as propaganda.

In short, Is this going to be the writers self insert wish fulfillment or a relatable tale with LGBT characters?

I have the exactly same question, I have nothing against the LGBT representation but there some games (and some really good ones, like Timespinner, wich is very good metroidvania but the representation for me is bad, like, everyone is horny in that group lol)
Also, how many hours of content?
NewMoonShadow 2024 年 10 月 9 日 下午 7:33 
引用自 Gustavo
引用自 GlockLesnar
Hiya, I am a part of the LGBT community, and I'm glad to see more great Indie titles adding representation. Though as someone that values harmony, I'm also not one for modern day politics being inserted into escapist mediums. Two of the Best Games and worst offenders I played last year were Timespinner and Small Saga. Both masterpieces is game design and story that were let down by the insertion very heavy handed modern politics that were out of place and jarring.

By contrast, I also played quite a few LGBT games last year that avoided this issue like: The Cosmic Wheel Sisterhood, Chained Echoes, Arcadian Atlas and Romanicelvania, that managed to have LGBT characters and romance stories without coming off as propaganda.

In short, Is this going to be the writers self insert wish fulfillment or a relatable tale with LGBT characters?

I have the exactly same question, I have nothing against the LGBT representation but there some games (and some really good ones, like Timespinner, wich is very good metroidvania but the representation for me is bad, like, everyone is horny in that group lol)
Also, how many hours of content?

Fun fact: Gay people are just as horny as straight people.

This thing where left-leaning media always seems compelled to portray gay people as the apostles of Jesus who have descended from Heaven to preach the virtues of tolerance and harmony is honestly just tiresome, annoying, and harmful to the cause of gay acceptance. Gay people are not saints... they're people. They can be obnoxiously horny, they can be malicious, they can do bad things... just like straight people can do all of those things. Nobody called Brock from Pokemon a bad representation of straight men. He's just a horny goofball.

TLDR; When we get to the point where gay people in media can act like Brock and nobody calls it "bad representation", but just accepts it as a cartoon character being a horny goofball, THAT is when we'll have true acceptance.
最后由 NewMoonShadow 编辑于; 2024 年 10 月 9 日 下午 7:34
Dels 2024 年 10 月 9 日 下午 8:52 
引用自 LupisVolk
And pray tell who get's to define what's "in your face" and "shoe horned in"?

No one. It's subjective, obviously. But just because something is subjective, doesn't mean any criticism regarding that aspect is invalid just because technically no one can define exactly the boundaries of it.

Like, it's subjective to say something has bad writing. But if someone said "I haven't watched the latest Marvel movies because they have bad writing" or something like that, no one would say "Well who are you to define bad writing?", they'd be like, well, yeah, everyone says that those movies have been bad and there's a million memes about it so of course that's a reasonable view.

So in the same way, of course no one can define what is "shoe horned in", but of course anyone could think the themes of any story are badly written or forced (whether its LGBT themes or anything), and they might feel its a trend in various modern media, or media that have the LGBT tag.

Timespinner literally has a scene where the characters sit around in a campfire and go in a circle explaining what kind of LGBT they are, and by the end it turns out not a single person in your whole party is straight. Of course people think it's forced. I don't expect Beloved Rapture to have anything similar to that.
barunaru 2024 年 10 月 10 日 上午 4:20 
引用自 Gustavo
引用自 GlockLesnar
Hiya, I am a part of the LGBT community, and I'm glad to see more great Indie titles adding representation. Though as someone that values harmony, I'm also not one for modern day politics being inserted into escapist mediums. Two of the Best Games and worst offenders I played last year were Timespinner and Small Saga. Both masterpieces is game design and story that were let down by the insertion very heavy handed modern politics that were out of place and jarring.

By contrast, I also played quite a few LGBT games last year that avoided this issue like: The Cosmic Wheel Sisterhood, Chained Echoes, Arcadian Atlas and Romanicelvania, that managed to have LGBT characters and romance stories without coming off as propaganda.

In short, Is this going to be the writers self insert wish fulfillment or a relatable tale with LGBT characters?

I have the exactly same question, I have nothing against the LGBT representation but there some games (and some really good ones, like Timespinner, wich is very good metroidvania but the representation for me is bad, like, everyone is horny in that group lol)
Also, how many hours of content?


I am 18 hours in and it seems that I might be somewhat in the middle. Did explore and side quests.
Nothing LGBTQ so far. But cruel murder(ers) and despair. I like it when you have reasons to hate characters and this guy provides. : D
NewMoonShadow 2024 年 10 月 10 日 上午 4:40 
引用自 Dels
引用自 LupisVolk
And pray tell who get's to define what's "in your face" and "shoe horned in"?

No one. It's subjective, obviously. But just because something is subjective, doesn't mean any criticism regarding that aspect is invalid just because technically no one can define exactly the boundaries of it.

Like, it's subjective to say something has bad writing. But if someone said "I haven't watched the latest Marvel movies because they have bad writing" or something like that, no one would say "Well who are you to define bad writing?", they'd be like, well, yeah, everyone says that those movies have been bad and there's a million memes about it so of course that's a reasonable view.

So in the same way, of course no one can define what is "shoe horned in", but of course anyone could think the themes of any story are badly written or forced (whether its LGBT themes or anything), and they might feel its a trend in various modern media, or media that have the LGBT tag.

While this isn't entirely inaccurate, using it as a defense of people who blatantly use the "criticism" in an attempt to gatekeep media is a bit crappy. I'm not really talking about anything specific here (I haven't played this game or any of the other games mentioned in this thread), but not all criticism is equally "valid" for lack of a better word.

For instance, let's say you're in a club listening to a comedian. They tell a joke and literally everybody in the room laughs... except for you. Now, you could say that you simply didn't find the joke funny, and that's fine. But to say "The joke was poorly written" is questionable at best if it had everyone else rolling on the floor. I'm not saying "the majority opinion is the correct opinion" or anything, but at the same time if you want your media opinions to be taken seriously by others you need to be able to recognize how your own biases can cause you to see things, perhaps unreasonably, unfavorably when to a vast majority of people they're perfectly fine. Otherwise you end up looking like David Jaffe that time he tried to prove that Metroid Dread had bad level design, accidentally proved his own statements wrong on stream, and kept doubling down on it after that anyway just because he couldn't accept the idea that the problem was with him and not the game.

This is what the "the representation was forced/shoe-horned in" statement does, it makes it sound like an issue with the writing of the media itself rather than a personal preference/opinion, and if you're going to do that you should be prepared to justify it, because if you can't it very much implies something about how you see the world and minority representation in general, rather than something that the writers of the story got wrong.

Timespinner literally has a scene where the characters sit around in a campfire and go in a circle explaining what kind of LGBT they are, and by the end it turns out not a single person in your whole party is straight. Of course people think it's forced. I don't expect Beloved Rapture to have anything similar to that.

Fun fact; relatively few people in real life are 100% straight. Sexual preference is a sliding scale, not a binary. If you get desperately lonely enough, you probably will go for someone you don't "prefer".
最后由 NewMoonShadow 编辑于; 2024 年 10 月 10 日 上午 4:44
OyajiBR☕ 2024 年 10 月 10 日 上午 9:59 
I don't care if a game has politics in its story as long as it's well written. Skyrim, The Witcher, Dragon Age, Baldur's Gate... They're all good games and have thematics like refugees, religion and dictatorship besides LGBT. What I DON'T like is when an old character's sexuality is changed into LGBT. As a gay man I don't feel represented, I feel disappointed because they weren't bold and creative enough to write a new character with charisma who happens to be gay. Astarion from BG3 is the most popular and he's canonically bi from day 1, he wasn't stolen and changed. Dorian from DA3 is gay from day 1 too and people love him.
最后由 OyajiBR☕ 编辑于; 2024 年 10 月 10 日 上午 10:08
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