Please Ego update and rebalance X3TC, AP

[Kepler J]

Hi, my name is Kepler.

Last year, I wasted 500+ hours on X3TC & AP. As you can see I really love these games but I can't recommend X3 to my local space-lover friends. Let's see why I can't recommend:


Number One: Poor tutorial.
In the X3 users, X3 is a sandbox or playground because we know all about economy system, ship classes, factions, and how to board ships. But in the n00b's position, the entire game is strange. they passes flight tutorial at first and don't know where should to go. This is why they give up at first time playing X3. In my position, I gave up almost ten times before I found a well-made fan-made guide.

"Official tutorials must be added in game."

Did you checked un-official guide like: "how to play" when your first time playing Civ 5 or Team Fortress 2? I think not, those games has well made tutorial, but this is not. Totally not!!!

Let's solve this problem: I suggest to add more tutor like: Economy Tutor, Advanced Combat Tutor, Weapon Tutor.


Number Two: Ship, Weapon balance
Boron freighter users, Paranid Odysseus users, Teladi M3 users, please raise your hand. Nobody? cool. because those ships are basically sucks.

"Commonwealth? ♥♥♥♥ off! I'm going Terran now!"

USELESS SHIPS MUST NOT OCCUR! What are they thinking? seriously. "I Win!" ships are everywhere! like: ATF Vali, Tyr. Split Python. And whole M8, M7Ms. Weapons are too, who's using CIG now? who's using IBL, PAC now?

To solve this problem: M7M must nerfed like this: decrease cargo caps or missile turrets. Improve every ship's missile defence A.I and raise up ♥♥♥♥♥♥ ship's speed, shield, energy capacity or missile compabillty.
Add unique abillty to the all weapon like: IBL can burn hull now so if random enemy got hit hull by IBL and it escapes, that ship still takes burning damage in OOS, PAC can make shield's particle insane now so it can disrupt shield regeneration, etc...


Number Three: Why player can't purchase Orbital Weapons Platform?
Qusetion is simple. Why.


Number Four: Need more convenient ARM order(macro or something)
I hate when buy ships, and arm them myself. It would be fun at sometimes, but when you bought a M1 and she's minions, and you are going to arm all of those, it become real fun to you. Seriously, it makes me mad.


For the fan, ego need to care about X3 series. Not only the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ XR.

Thank you for reading this long article.

[Lain]

the carriers i gave up on cause m3s taking down a m2 not ever have i seen that

[Lain]

you ether kill them or they give up

[insolent1]

I doubt x3 will recieve any more updates
Mods & scripts cover most of the things you mentioned
As for the tutorial, I don't see much point, the ingame encycleopedia helps with this issue for everything else check online.

[mmmcheesywaffles]

Yuo are not the first to raise all those points, however, X3 lacks the same potential as Rebirth so quite rightly Egosoft are putting their limited resources into making Rebirth a game that even most of us X3 fans want too.

For rebalancing there are several mods and scripts ot provide thast already.
In each game there have been some ships and stations not avaialble to the player.

I recommned SCS script as that allows you to try diffferent switrches and set your own balance levels.

Hopefully a good script writer were to makea script that allows us to run it on a ship or fleet of ships that would take a list of upgrades and fly the ships to each Shipyard or Equipment dock to install the upgrades, so we have less work to do.

Most of the issues in X3 thsat need a tutorial are covered in vids. I made a Guide for those I think are the better vids.


>>http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=153681661

[Informer]

I think there will be no more updates for X3.
XR is know the main project, and mabey after that X4 will be.

off topic:
I can only say, just play Litcube Universe mod. This is how I would like a X3 game to be. It's almost feel like playing a new game. Litcube Universe is one of the latest total conversions of X3, and still gets balance and updates. Also the game has many new futures. Just imagine, mobile mining fleets, new trade searches, a game that is still interesting of hours and hours of game play. (2 new evil corporation’s) Also soon with a new missions system (EMS).
Some new futures.
-New dockware agents, managers, couriers, freighters. All to make your empire better manageable for you.
-Export/import future, to keep your save games compatible with futures updates.
-Build Saturn Complex Hub's
-Mobile mining
-Template Manager (to fit quickly your ships.) (maybe this is what you mean @mmmcheesywaffles )
-Quick shuttles
-Military Logistics Command Center (MLCC) (Just a master piece)
and more and more and more.
Also full support and explaining wiki page, and support on Egosoft forum. In game new updated encyclopedia.
Also X3 LU is fully optimized, so X3LU works much better. Many vanilla bugs were solved.
X3LU got me hooked, even I have XR, and Elite Dangerous. Litcube did and still is doing a great job with this total conversion mod. LU is really great.
Just one thing, because of the many changes and new futures, this mod is not compatible with most other mods out there. Also the bonus pack is not supported. But that is not a problem really, because LU is giving you many new futures anyway. Also the
If you really like X3 , this is a mod you have to play.


Info:
https://code.google.com/p/litcubesuniverse/wiki/Index
http://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=365706

Example Videos:

Fighting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkrrVwAwy-k

Mobile mining:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLCc7HMo2k4&list=UUfrcX4MNxr5Nrs7oObBTkAA

X3AP:Litcube's Universe Unofficial Trailer (with XM-R)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cN6wTRdVRPE

X3 hours and hours of gameplay videos. (if you have the time to watch them all ;) )
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLk5IVnX-z7QxU4cZJUGlaQzLKcAYOVtbH

[mmmcheesywaffles]

I need to watch those vids. I havn't kept up to date with Litcube

[Informer]

Origineel geplaatst door mmmcheesywaffles:

I need to watch those vids. I havn't kept up to date with Litcube

Hello m8,

I think you would like this mod, but it is learning the game again, at some points. But the point of this mod is, that in time (still you have a lot of time) you have to deal with Revelation the Omicron Channel Virus (OCV) and The Phanon Corporation. And they are strong, so you need to build up a strong empire to support your fleet. And Litcube did put some great new futures in the game to acomplish that. Again it is not alone about fighting, but you have to deal with these corporations later in the game because they will expand in the universe.
I myself have to figure out many things, but that is also fun. There are still bugs, but all of the are reported on the egosoft forum, and are fix in a next update.

I would recomend the wiki page of litcube. Much info there.

[mmmcheesywaffles]

Origineel geplaatst door Informer:

Origineel geplaatst door mmmcheesywaffles:

I need to watch those vids. I havn't kept up to date with Litcube

Hello m8,

I think you would like this mod, but it is learning the game again, at some points. But the point of this mod is, that in time (still you have a lot of time) you have to deal with Revelation the Omicron Channel Virus (OCV) and The Phanon Corporation. And they are strong, so you need to build up a strong empire to support your fleet. And Litcube did put some great new futures in the game to acomplish that. Again it is not alone about fighting, but you have to deal with these corporations later in the game because they will expand in the universe.
I myself have to figure out many things, but that is also fun. There are still bugs, but all of the are reported on the egosoft forum, and are fix in a next update.

I would recomend the wiki page of litcube. Much info there.

Well you are one player I value the opinion of as I know you really get into your games.

I don't get as much time these days as I can only concentrate so long and have a lot of other things I need to do too. But, I have tried a lot of Litcubes scripts in teh past and liked what he was doing. Hopefully, there is enough meat in there to keep the OP interested :)

[CTHOMP]

Unfortunately with the failure of Rebirth we'll probably never see an X4, and even if we do, does anyone have faith that Egosoft could bring back what was great in the X3 and earlier games. They've tried to go too mainstream/consol gaming... not good.

[Informer]

Origineel geplaatst door clthomps:

Unfortunately with the failure of Rebirth we'll probably never see an X4, and even if we do, does anyone have faith that Egosoft could bring back what was great in the X3 and earlier games. They've tried to go too mainstream/consol gaming... not good.

They did make money out of XR, more than they did of any other X game , and still do. Success or not, they will support XR still for some time to go. But some of Egosoft did say by Gamestar that a real X4 could happen. Personally I hope Egosoft stays around, because there is just no other company out there who makes games likes the X games.

[mmmcheesywaffles]

Origineel geplaatst door Informer:

Origineel geplaatst door clthomps:

Unfortunately with the failure of Rebirth we'll probably never see an X4, and even if we do, does anyone have faith that Egosoft could bring back what was great in the X3 and earlier games. They've tried to go too mainstream/consol gaming... not good.

They did make money out of XR, more than they did of any other X game , and still do. Success or not, they will support XR still for some time to go. But some of Egosoft did say by Gamestar that a real X4 could happen. Personally I hope Egosoft stays around, because there is just no other company out there who makes games likes the X games.

+1

And that despite all the extra money some other companaies are making... they seem to lack the vision. Or do they also find its tough to get that dynamic universe working just right?

Remember teh days of Polaroid cameras? Instant opportunity to see what you took... well almost... you had to take teh developing image and keep it warm enough for long enough to develop and then hope that the timing was just right. :) The cameras were massive clunky things. Now our phones take better pictures! and we get to see the results on our TV or monitor within seconds! Polaroid should us there was a market. Then the hardware people eventually gave us the means.

[CTHOMP]

Sure... Egosoft made a lot of money by selling a broken and unfinished game... but the amount of ill will and anger they generated I fear has turned off a ton of people. They won't get anyone to make the stupid mistake again of buying a game from them at full price. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. Thankfully I didn't get scammed like many did, and I won't fall for purchasing a product pre-release.

[mmmcheesywaffles]

Origineel geplaatst door clthomps:

Sure... Egosoft made a lot of money by selling a broken and unfinished game...

Care to name me even one game that has worked at launch without leaving behind a trail of unhappy customers. Any in the last few years will do. ;)

I've had a few games that wortked well on my machine but broke for lots of others. Even lasdt week Civ V patched one glitch away that was really causing me issues occasionally during trading. It's only taken them more than 4 years to get rid of it, despite several DLCs and a number of other patches. Firaxis are of course a larger company than Egosoft too. Apparently they sold more than 10 Million copies. Then they also have other franchises too.

As I mentioned upthread I had one spell where Civ V wouldn't even load that lasted for several months. On that basis Rebirth has not been as bad...

Yesterday EA announced they were puling teh plug on one game in Ealry Access ... thankfully they will refund the buyers. If that becomes the norm for Early Access then we might get better more adventurous games. The Devs could put the money they get from teh Access into a trust or bond. Those funds helping them to borrow what they need yet if they did pull the plug the customer doesn't lose out.

[FDru]

Egosoft has a long proud history of releasing horribly broken games. But they always release patches to fix everything. They obviously market their games toward patient players.

[gbjbaanb]

I'm not convinced Egosoft are making any money off Rebirth now - look at the steam charts to see how many people are playing it (and offline mode - who plays a steam-only game in offline mode all the time?) Its going up slightly since the 2.5 release, but still its pathetic for a "mainstream" game (http://steamcharts.com/app/2870). X3AP has almost as many people playing (and to play Litcube's you have to play with the no-steam exe so those people don;t show up in the numbers). So I do wonder if they will make a X4, I think if they do they will regain their old community, but they will never be able to compete with Elite :Dangerous or Star Citizen,. Best to stick to what made X3 such a success... unless ED adds trade-empire fleet management system to their game...