Does terrain stuff suck?

[Lain]

So using the numbers which i know are not always perfect the terrain weapons seem to be lacking considering they are supposed to be advanced plus alot of ship designs are funky

[DrSuperEvil]

Terran weapons are lower damage but more energy efficient allowing more constant firing. Terran ships also tend to have high shielding and alot of guns. Still EMPCs are good weapons for M4/M5 ships but quickly become weak when you get to M6 or bigger. The M/A-MLs are good damage and have great ammo efficiency but like all ammo based weapons suck out of sector. Starburst Shockwave Cannons are on par with Flak Artillery Arrays. The PSPs have a lethal chargeup but that is only of use on player ships. Ship wise Terrans rock with the Valkyrie being by far the strongest M5, the Spitfyre being able to take on capital ships without missiles, the Springblossom saving player sanity with a half decent speed and cargo bay, the Kyoto makes a good UFJD mining ship and carrier for return ship missions while the Tyr and Skirnir are some of the strongest ships in the game damage wise. The Valhalla is just a showpiece. The Atmospheric Lifter is one of the best TL ships.

[ayrtep]

Valkyrie, Spitfyre, SPRINGBLOSSOM nuf said.

[DrSuperEvil]

Still think Skirnir is the game's equivalent of the deathstar.

[Lain]

Originally posted by DrSuperEvil:

Still think Skirnir is the game's equivalent of the deathstar.

If i can obtain one vanilla as terran and a nice amount of missles yes fun times

[DrSuperEvil]

In AP they are able to be brought from the shipyards. True you do need >18 stations churning out missiles to keep one fueled.

[Maxwell Sinclair]

The terran stuff also has the added effect of EMP. Well the EMPCs do, it doesn't say anything in their description but I've noticed that taking an EMPC hit (Or dealing one) drains extra shielding after the initial hit. Also, the EMPCs do some rediculously high shield damage compared to low hull damage, they're a good weapon for making people bail.

That and SSCs. Once I fit my turrets in the springblossom with a total of 6 PSSCs I've had about 10x more bails than I did before. Terran stuff is usually really quite slow, which is a shame. The aldrin ships are a special exception and you should definitely get a springblossom ASAP.

[DrSuperEvil]

Originally posted by Maxwell Sinclair:

The terran stuff also has the added effect of EMP. Well the EMPCs do, it doesn't say anything in their description but I've noticed that taking an EMPC hit (Or dealing one) drains extra shielding after the initial hit. Also, the EMPCs do some rediculously high shield damage compared to low hull damage, they're a good weapon for making people bail.

That and SSCs. Once I fit my turrets in the springblossom with a total of 6 PSSCs I've had about 10x more bails than I did before. Terran stuff is usually really quite slow, which is a shame. The aldrin ships are a special exception and you should definitely get a springblossom ASAP.

Trouble is they have a slow projectile speed making them innacurate. PBE is the bailing weapon of choice especially on an agememnon.

[Lain]

Like i honest was expecting terrans to kick ass but once i got deep into a playthrough with them i realize unless they have hidden stats their weapons are inferior also they lack a good heavy frigite weapon as you may as well just mount EMPCs and it does a anti fighter role. On the otherside of the war the argon ships are so well built and designed. The argon m6 vs your m6 is a run situation at times the Katana cone of fire is a shotgun plus the argon m6 has better weapons. Arent Terrans supposed to be more advanced.

[Maxwell Sinclair]

Originally posted by Eve_Wake:

Like i honest was expecting terrans to kick ass but once i got deep into a playthrough with them i realize unless they have hidden stats their weapons are inferior also they lack a good heavy frigite weapon as you may as well just mount EMPCs and it does a anti fighter role. On the otherside of the war the argon ships are so well built and designed. The argon m6 vs your m6 is a run situation at times the Katana cone of fire is a shotgun plus the argon m6 has better weapons. Arent Terrans supposed to be more advanced.

I regularly destroy Argon M6's and even M7's with my Terran M6. Granted it's a Springblossom and not a katana, the Katana is a whale, The Springblossom has an extra 200MJ of shields, SSC's and a hell of a lot more speed and maneuverability than the Katana, as well as a much bigger cargobay and XL container size. Frankly let's be honest, the Katana isn't as good as people want you to believe, it's a decent starter ship for getting involved in the war, but it's a pile of junk in the long term unless you have something to taxi it around.

The Starburst Shockwave Cannons handle anti fighter rather effectively. Even the vanilla turret AI will shred fighters when it's got SSC's equipped and most fighters are gone before I even bring the main guns of the Springblossom to bear, I just fly through a group of fighters and All the M5s are gone in one shot. The SSC's are capital ship class weapon. A battery of them is a fighter death cloud.

The Terran ships also have more hull, and stronger shielding than most of the Argon ships. Their weapon choices are also stronger. Terran capital ships can go toe to toe with multiple commonwealth ships and come out on top (Assuming there are no bombers on either side)

The reason Terran stuff seems poor in comparison is really one simple reason. Terrans work alone, they have the ATF, and the USC, both Terran, so they really have to be the Jacks of all trades and the masters of none.

A Split M2 is gonna have more firepower than a Terran M2, but its shielding is sacrificed. Argon M2s will have higher speed than most Terran ships, but they sacrifice firepower and in some cases shielding as well. Each of the Commonwealth races is specialized into something specific while the Terrans are not so specialized.

[DrSuperEvil]

Originally posted by Maxwell Sinclair:

I regularly destroy Argon M6's and even M7's with my Terran M6. Granted it's a Springblossom and not a katana, the Katana is a whale, The Springblossom has an extra 200MJ of shields, SSC's and a hell of a lot more speed and maneuverability than the Katana, as well as a much bigger cargobay and XL container size. Frankly let's be honest, the Katana isn't as good as people want you to believe, it's a decent starter ship for getting involved in the war, but it's a pile of junk in the long term unless you have something to taxi it around.

A Split M2 is gonna have more firepower than a Terran M2, but its shielding is sacrificed. Argon M2s will have higher speed than most Terran ships, but they sacrifice firepower and in some cases shielding as well. Each of the Commonwealth races is specialized into something specific while the Terrans are not so specialized.

Actually the Katana has 400k more shielding than a Springblossom. Besides rather go the ATF M6 ships (Vidir and Vali) since they are better than the Katana in every way. EMPCs are strong and energy effieient fighter weapons but by the time you get to M6 or bigger they are no longer so good since they are about as damaging as PACs. Use M/A-MLs if SSCs are not an option. When it comes to capital ships only use PSPs and SSCs.

A Split M2 never has more fire power than an ATF M2. Main selling point of Split ships is the low cost and high speed.

[Maxwell Sinclair]

Originally posted by DrSuperEvil:

Actually the Katana has 400k more shielding than a Springblossom. Besides rather go the ATF M6 ships (Vidir and Vali) since they are better than the Katana in every way. EMPCs are strong and energy effieient fighter weapons but by the time you get to M6 or bigger they are no longer so good since they are about as damaging as PACs. Use M/A-MLs if SSCs are not an option. When it comes to capital ships only use PSPs and SSCs.

A Split M2 never has more fire power than an ATF M2. Main selling point of Split ships is the low cost and high speed.

My bad the springblossom does not have extra, it feels more survivable thanks to its speed, I get hit a lot less; probably why I got the two confused. But I've been using EMPCs to shred shielding on large ships, then switching to M/AMLs to deal with the hull, works perfectly, especially with the extra addition of the turret mounted SSCs.

Keep in mind that power is not just based in weaponry. A ships profile, speed and many other factors also take part in the determination of its overall power. As well as the fire rate of its weapons. Pure damage isn't everything.

[DrSuperEvil]

Out of sector the pure damage has a much larger impact. Also if you want to occupy multiple sectors you cannot be everywhere at once.