Madusa Prototype.

[Plays In Traffic]

Has anybody ever found a Medusa Prototype in vanilla without the Unholy Traitor start? Or am I just wasting my time looking for 1?

[DrSuperEvil]

Not yet. Tried Paranid RR M1s? Those can spawn the rare Drone Haulers.

[Plays In Traffic]

Yes, no dice. I did find an Argon high-tech trader in a Nova Prototype the other day. Also did a new Poisoned Paranid start for my great Medusa hunt, otherwise i agree with you Unholy Traitor is the only way to go. This way Mudusa Prototype will not start in the encyclopidiea. And get this, the 1st Zenon i get in a fight with & i cap an L.

[DrSuperEvil]

Stuff only appears in the encylopedia if you scan a ship carrying a new ship or it comes within scanner range. Advanced Satellites and OOS sightings do not count (why I still do not have the Mobile Pirate Base Hauler in my encyclopedia despite having seen one OOS).

The Unholy Traitor start begins in a Medusa Prototype but comes with 15 waves of pain so consider starting in Kingdoms End and fleeing south to Argon space. The AI of the attackers messes up near stations so use that to your advantage.

Considering you can cap and overtune a Hyperion Vanguard, I do not think it is worth losing a Terran PHQ for.

Technically you could make a script that logs ship spawns so it could give you a message if one ever spawns.

[Plays In Traffic]

I know thats why i don't want it in the encyclopedia, just in case 1 fly's by & i miss it. I think you mean 15 waves of fun. & the overtuned Hyperion Vanguard is the 2nd best thing about poisoned paranid, 1st is how many crappy TS's you can cap from the paranid before the timer runs out. Also Valhalla's just take way too long to build so i can live without the Terran PHQ. No scripts doing this all vanilla.

[DrSuperEvil]

Terran PHQ has enough spare storage space for equipment to fully equip ships without hassle also it has more docking spaces for cap ships.

Well your best bet would be Perpetual Sin if Paranid hate you. Only RR ships come there and you would just need to keep shredding the M1s.

Good luck because with my one save I played for 15 days and did not find one. Saw two types of Drone Hauler though and a Mobile Pirate Base Hauler (admittedly they are more common if you hate the pirates and regularly level them).

[Plays In Traffic]

Still haven't found 1, but i am now pretty sure they are out there. High-tech Traders, thats High-tech Traders not the far more common High-tech Transporters, in fighters will be in a rare unbuyable variant. So far i've found:
Nova Prototype
Falcon Prototype
Barracuda Prototype
Kite Vanguard
Scorpion Prototype
And no I have not seen a Paranid High-tech Trader in a fighter yet.

[DrSuperEvil]

Check Aladna Hill and the pirate sectors between Claraties End and Cardinals Domain then. Weapons Dealers also can have rare ships. I have also seen Scorpion and Nova prototypes in military patrols along with Drone Hauler ships. Still say RR M1s might be the way to go.

[Plays In Traffic]

I just found, & CAPPED, a drone hualer that was flying around Cloud Base South East all by itself.

[DrSuperEvil]

Nice. The Argon ones make good ships to mass produce in the PHQ with a build time of only 4 mins. Go great on carriers too with mass mass drivers.

[Plays In Traffic]

Thats exactly what i was thinking, thanks for the time btw. To bad they will suck OoS.

EDIT:How long do Scorpion Prototypes take? I have 1 of those for the 1st time and something that fast with HEPT's is just scary.

[DrSuperEvil]

Main reason you use a Scorpion Prototype is for the additional missile compatabilities as increased ship speed tends to mean more ramming into stuff.

The Scorpion Prototype takes 36 mins while a Pirate Scorpion takes only 20.

Another good mass production ship is the Enhanced Pericles and Pirate Buzzard Vanguard (8xPRG). Though OOS the Xenon J is hard to beat if you have the factories to keep them supplied.

[Plays In Traffic]

Originally posted by Plays In Traffic:

I just found, & CAPPED, a drone hualer that was flying around Cloud Base South East all by itself.

So I found another Argon Drone Hualer in Cloud Base South East, & then checked my other playthrough, didn't take long for 1 to show up. So do they spawn there? 2nd & 3rd spawned with big fleets & there is a super shipyard in that sector.

[DrSuperEvil]

They are spawned as part of the military or rr esorts. I have had days without any spawning. Did you know the terrans also have a drone hauler? To see more than 3 from any race within 5 days of playing is rare.

[Plays In Traffic]

Originally posted by DrSuperEvil:

They are spawned as part of the military or rr esorts. I have had days without any spawning. Did you know the terrans also have a drone hauler? To see more than 3 from any race within 5 days of playing is rare.

Then I must have just got lucky on my Unholy Traitor playthrough cuz 1 showed up in under an hour when i checked. Like 10 game days between the 2 on Poisoned Paranid, still have not seen a Medusa Prototype btw. & no I did not know the Terrans had 1.

[DrSuperEvil]

The drone haulers are what the M7C ships were meant to spawn and use for drone launching. But it was never implemented like so much stuff in AP.

Also been looking at the TJobs file. Seems military and rr M7s have some strange flags for repair lasers especially the teladi ones.