Anti-Xenon Attack Force. Go!

[IRWorm]

Best of each class for fighting Xenon and preferences for choosing your attack group...

Best Fighters-
M5: just no
M4: Maybe heavy M4s like Elite or Solano equipped with full shields and Mass Drivers
M3: OTAS Venti. Any with turrets for missile defences and a balance of great shields and speed. Maybe Aamon Prototype (if unlocked) or other M3+

Best corvette-
M6: Heavy Nemesis or Nemesis

Best frigates and capital:
I'd say split but Xenon seem to eat through shields like termites. So any Argon, Paranid or Boron?

Or, I could just bring my Cobra M7M full of missiles... hmmm. I was kinda hoping for a dog fight though. So I'm thinking 40 or so of the M4 or M3s on a heavily armed Zeus Carrier along with a M7 light destroyer or else a full destroyer. But until I have a destroyer ready, I'll bring along my M6s as escorts, 4 of them at the moment.

Decisions decisions...

[DrSuperEvil]

In sector M5s are just cannon fodder so pacs are the best weapon but have a <3min build time in the PHQ. M4s are highly variable ranging from the Adv Pericles and Argon Drone Hauler which are glorified M5s to those able to use Thunderbolt Missiles making them extremely powerful if supplied with missiles. The OTAS M4s are exceptional in that regard.

M5 wise some of the Kestrel variants are good in that they have 2x rear PBGs else go the Valkyrie if you can afford the 173x EMPC factories needed to keep production up.
M4 go Solano for missiles or the Pirate Buzzard Vangard for the 8x PBGs. Although the Pirate Scorpion is good for PBE/HEPT usage.
M3 wise the Nova is hard to beat due to low production times.
M3+ wise use Meduse Prototype for missiles if available else use Eclipse for shielding
M6 if the Albion Pride is not possible (vanilla) use a Dragon or Springblossom
M6+ Hyperion Vanguard or PX as a cheap alternative
M7 use an Astraeus Hauler for anti fighter or a Split Tiger for anti capital ship
M7C suck period with exception of the Griffon Sentinel
M7M go Cobra for an all rounder, Kraken for anti missile defence and Skirnir for pure destruction
M2 wise the Python is cheap and chearful but the Xenon K is the mass production model. The OTAS Boreas is also a good alternative or the Tyr if enough PSPs are available.
M2+ Kyoto can have M6/M8 support and a TS+ for missile refueling. The Xenon I is hard to beat if available. The Pteranodon requires too many PALCs making it a player ship only and the Valhalla is a UFJD ship only due to the difficulty of getting it in sector or finding enough Pandora Tunings.
M1 wise the Xenon J is hard to beat since out of sector it can thrash all but an M2+ but with only six and a half hours production time in the PHQ you can sent 5 against a single M2. The Aran has the potential as an M6/M8 carrier but is best used for stock market manipulation or UFJD mining.

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DrSuperEvil lähetti viestin:

In sector M5s are just cannon fodder so pacs are the best weapon but have a <3min build time in the PHQ. M4s are highly variable ranging from the Adv Pericles and Argon Drone Hauler which are glorified M5s to those able to use Thunderbolt Missiles making them extremely powerful if supplied with missiles. The OTAS M4s are exceptional in that regard.

M5 wise some of the Kestrel variants are good in that they have 2x rear PBGs else go the Valkyrie if you can afford the 173x EMPC factories needed to keep production up.
M4 go Solano for missiles or the Pirate Buzzard Vangard for the 8x PBGs. Although the Pirate Scorpion is good for PBE/HEPT usage.
M3 wise the Nova is hard to beat due to low production times.
M3+ wise use Meduse Prototype for missiles if available else use Eclipse for shielding
M6 if the Albion Pride is not possible (vanilla) use a Dragon or Springblossom
M6+ Hyperion Vanguard or PX as a cheap alternative
M7 use an Astraeus Hauler for anti fighter or a Split Tiger for anti capital ship
M7C suck period with exception of the Griffon Sentinel
M7M go Cobra for an all rounder, Kraken for anti missile defence and Skirnir for pure destruction
M2 wise the Python is cheap and chearful but the Xenon K is the mass production model. The OTAS Boreas is also a good alternative or the Tyr if enough PSPs are available.
M2+ Kyoto can have M6/M8 support and a TS+ for missile refueling. The Xenon I is hard to beat if available. The Pteranodon requires too many PALCs making it a player ship only and the Valhalla is a UFJD ship only due to the difficulty of getting it in sector or finding enough Pandora Tunings.
M1 wise the Xenon J is hard to beat since out of sector it can thrash all but an M2+ but with only six and a half hours production time in the PHQ you can sent 5 against a single M2. The Aran has the potential as an M6/M8 carrier but is best used for stock market manipulation or UFJD mining.

What about M7 Agamemnon? If you want to wreck a Xenon sector with 1 ship, thats not an M7M, what else are you going use?

EDIT: OP said they were looking for a good dogfight afterall.

[Zoran]

Hyperion for eventing minor, including and up to Q. Hyperion with all the rudder and engine tuning in the universe. Plasma burst generators melt everything quickly. Lug around 100+ Hurricane Missiles for M5 convenience, you have the cargo space.

Anything bigger and the Boreas is excellent. Shielding might be low, but it can dodge incoming fire better than any other M2.

Easy button: An Aquilo with an Atmospheric Lifter in follow mode, 5000 Heavy Hammer Torpedoes + 400 in the barrel. Missile turrets set to Attack Enemies... you just watch the fireworks.

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Zoran lähetti viestin:

Hyperion for eventing minor, including and up to Q. Hyperion with all the rudder and engine tuning in the universe. Plasma burst generators melt everything quickly. Lug around 100+ Hurricane Missiles for M5 convenience, you have the cargo space.

Anything bigger and the Boreas is excellent. Shielding might be low, but it can dodge incoming fire better than any other M2.

Easy button: An Aquilo with an Atmospheric Lifter in follow mode, 5000 Heavy Hammer Torpedoes + 400 in the barrel. Missile turrets set to Attack Enemies... you just watch the fireworks.

+1 but Springblossom 4 missions in Terran space.

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Zoran said (UP TO & INCLUDING) so don't thnk theres any problem with Q's.

[DrSuperEvil]

Problem with the Agamemnon and Hyperion is that they must be capped and take ages to build in the PHQ so do not make good fleet ships. Still good as a playership though.

Why use Hornets against capital ships when the Hyperion can use Wraiths.

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DrSuperEvil lähetti viestin:

Why use Hornets against capital ships when the Hyperion can use Wraiths.

+1

EDIT: Also given the whole marine training thing I've never built 1, yet I have many of both.

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DrSuperEvil lähetti viestin:

Why use Hornets against capital ships when the Hyperion can use Wraiths.

I go by what stats on Roguey's website say and Wraith missile has only longer range. Othar than that Hornets seems to do more damage and are faster.

Wraith's are swarms so thats dmg per missile, I think there's 8.

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Yes, get the factory's at Saturn or The Moon.

[Zoran]

zanosg lähetti viestin:

DrSuperEvil lähetti viestin:

Why use Hornets against capital ships when the Hyperion can use Wraiths.

I go by what stats on Roguey's website say and Wraith missile has only longer range. Othar than that Hornets seems to do more damage and are faster.

The Wraith is a swarm missile, with 8 warheads. Each warhead does 125'000 damage for a total of 1'000'000. It's the Terran version of the Firestorm Torpedo. Needs a lot of cargo space, in X3AP, and you can only fire one every 6 seconds. X3-Wiki lists a nice trick when firing from the Hyperion.

http://www.x3wiki.com/index.php/Wraith_Missile

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Zoran lähetti viestin:

zanosg lähetti viestin:

I go by what stats on Roguey's website say and Wraith missile has only longer range. Othar than that Hornets seems to do more damage and are faster.

The Wraith is a swarm missile, with 8 warheads. Each warhead does 125'000 damage for a total of 1'000'000. It's the Terran version of the Firestorm Torpedo. Needs a lot of cargo space, in X3AP, and you can only fire one every 6 seconds. X3-Wiki lists a nice trick when firing from the Hyperion.

http://www.x3wiki.com/index.php/Wraith_Missile

Indeed, you can kill ANYTHING with that trick.