X3 AP help me for my first complex

[Nirvanico]

Hi to all, I have about 20.000.000cr I want to run my first complex, I want do the booze/weed complex, and I have read I should buy it in a Unknow sector or pirate one,

I had bad relation with pirates, so i think isnt a good idea to build it in theirs territory...
If I built into a Unknsector, the trades comes to me? (because i think the smugglers are only pirates...right?) or random traders come anyway

sorry for my english..

[Faros]

If you set your selling price 1 credit below the average, you will get so many traders you won't know how to produce everything they want to take away. Booze complexes work in unknown or pirate sectors, and space weed complexes can be placed in teladi space as well as unknown/pirate.

[Harrison]

The Space Fuel/Space Weed compolex worked really well in X3:TC, it doesn't work as well in AP.

Much of the reason for this is that people would build it in the Unknown sector between Montalaar and New Income. In AP this is a Teladi sector, named Avarice.

Another option might be Savage Spur, next to Empires edge, particularly if the Yaki aren't mad at you. Or, the Unknown sector next to Unseen Domain is also an option.

[Bones]

I'm not sure how well it worked in TC, but in AP I have two space weed complexes each with 4 dream farms and 4 bliss places. They can't make spaceweed fast enough and are always empty as soon as they make any.

I have a rather large complex (large to me..about 25-30 stations) in the unknown sector next to Legends Home which has 1 lonely space fuel distillery which seems to sell out quite often as well. The traders come to me to buy spacefuel and blacklist it from the CAG so that he doesn't get caught trying to sell it.

I set up space weed in Teladi sectors. I have not compared the numbers but from what I have read, Teladi Sectors bordering pirate space are supposed to be best.

[Sketchy]

Originally posted by Bones:

I'm not sure how well it worked in TC, but in AP I have two space weed complexes each with 4 dream farms and 4 bliss places. They can't make spaceweed fast enough and are always empty as soon as they make any.

I have a rather large complex (large to me..about 25-30 stations) in the unknown sector next to Legends Home which has 1 lonely space fuel distillery which seems to sell out quite often as well. The traders come to me to buy spacefuel and blacklist it from the CAG so that he doesn't get caught trying to sell it.

I set up space weed in Teladi sectors. I have not compared the numbers but from what I have read, Teladi Sectors bordering pirate space are supposed to be best.

Space Weed complexes work exactly the same in TC as they do in AP, as do Space Fuel complexes. However, the Space Fuel complex cannot be put in Elysium of Light in AP like in TC because its a war sector so you'll have to place it in a pirate sector. Also, Space Fuel earns more credits per hour than the Space Weed complex however it costs more to setup so take your pick.

1MJ shields are gauranteed to sell, as are microchips.

[insolent1]

try an argon 1Mj shield complex
1 x L ore mine on 25+ yield asteroid
1 x L cattle ranch
1 x L cahonna bakery
5 x argon 1Mj shield fabs

With 1 freighter(hauler variant or larger) set to buy ecells at 13
Herrons nebula has a 26 yield ore asteroid and its near a gate so your ecell buyer will be more efficient, there is also plenty of cheap ecells within 2 jumps distance
Sell 1Mj shields at average -1 and the complex will give a return on investment in around 17hrs

[Nirvanico]

I will try th 1mj shield complex, because I see is less expensive than weed/booze ones..
Do I need to set up a freighter do sell the shield or just wait for the AI?

[Darkside99x]

They should come to you as long as the price is below average (-1).

[Nirvanico]

If I have enought money, can add a SPP L (boron) to the complex?

[insolent1]

Originally posted by Nirvanico ITA:

If I have enought money, can add a SPP L (boron) to the complex?

I would not add a SPP to the above complex as you will need to fuel the SPP which requires a large number of factories, is quite expensive and you need the right amount of silicon in the sector.
If you where to add the SPP, you would either have to close the loop(self sustaining) or purchase crystals to power your SPP, your freighter would have to travel further to purchase the crystals and would be more at risk.
You would also over produce ecells which either would have to be sold or waste them
The AI will buy at -1 average
You can have a couple of these complexs setup around the universe, they are good earners, cheap and great for boosting trade rank
Keep the closed loop complexs for later part of the game as they are expensive and take time to setup(towing asteroirds etc)
If you are neutral to the priates you can also run a large spacefuel+weed complex in bala gi's joy and the sector SPP's will supply the ecells.

[Ketraar]

My suggestion is as always to not make self-sustaine plexes. Especially in th ecase of Energy cells.

For a 1MJ Shield production the AI buying below average is the most effortless option since manual selling them is a chore. Regarding the SPP I would rather recommend to invest in a CAG Trader (wtach cmdrdave X3TC videos for tutorials on how to setup those) and buy the Energy locally. The investment in the SPPs and Crystals is imho waisted money as its not too difficult to have Ecells at minimum price a few jumps away and CAGs are efficient enough to keep complexes supplied with them on their own.

As a general lrules I prefer to incorporate the local economy into my production loops it keeps the macro economy going, providing profits elsewhere.

MFG

Ketraar

EDIT: Ninja'd by Brew

[Nirvanico]

Ok, thanks, you mates!!, now I understand why isnt a good idea to put a SPP in the complex lol...

I will provide u a feedback if thinks gone good or (hope no...) bad lol
actually i'm saving some cr, for build the argon mj complex, (i want add maybe as TS an Hayabusa/Drake due the speed+cargo )

Originally posted by Brew:

I would not add a SPP to the above complex as you will need to fuel the SPP which requires a large number of factories, is quite expensive and you need the right amount of silicon in the sector.
If you where to add the SPP, you would either have to close the loop(self sustaining) or purchase crystals to power your SPP, your freighter would have to travel further to purchase the crystals and would be more at risk.
You would also over produce ecells which either would have to be sold or waste them
The AI will buy at -1 average
You can have a couple of these complexs setup around the universe, they are good earners, cheap and great for boosting trade rank
Keep the closed loop complexs for later part of the game as they are expensive and take time to setup(towing asteroirds etc)
If you are neutral to the priates you can also run a large spacefuel+weed complex in bala gi's joy and the sector SPP's will supply the ecells.

I have done some quest in pirates territory, tring to boost some relation with theirs, and now PB seems friendly to me (I can attrack and buy/sell things)

I see btw pirates ships flagged as enemy, its normal? im bit confused lol



thanks for the help!

[Sketchy]

Most pirates will eventually view as you neutral however some just don't like you no matter what, so they'll show up as red however they may not always attack you as is the case with the group of pirates you see doing 'trade runs' with space fuel, space weed or space flies.

[FIRE&ASHES]

get your "rep" or standing up with the yaki
they are "pirates" and they can be 100% trusted

at the beginning, they don't have that many stations in there 3 sectors,, however things wil change rapid,if you follow my guide

ok ,, slowly start placing mine's,and tractorbeam them out the way,start in okraoca's storm
start building solar plants,a complex,for ore,silicon,food,and chrystals,,this allows you to suply there factory's,with ore,and e-cells
after some missions, they wil ask to start building other factory's,,again, slowly expand,or build in 1of the 2other systems they have a other complex,, just to supply everything they may need

booze/weed can be done there aswel,, they also have 2 weapon factory's,where you can then easely bay the weapons for your ships,, they also have some good ships they sell,but no EQ dok

so build some schield,smal weapon complex,add adv,sat factory and drone factory aswel
this allows you to outfit on the spot your ships that you buy from them
for you its 100% safe (yaki shoot most others down) and a great income for you + a very good place to train your univers traders in safe area
and yaki gets stronger
in weaver tempest you can also start a mining fleet combined with a ST to hold the ore's
and senator's badlands, is big enough to build out the way and large or several smaller complexes

in the end,, get the ore,silicon,chrystal and e-cells up and running, then add what they need one's they ask you to build factory's, you be suprized :))

[Nirvanico]

Originally posted by medussa ram:

get your "rep" or standing up with the yaki
they are "pirates" and they can be 100% trusted

at the beginning, they don't have that many stations in there 3 sectors,, however things wil change rapid,if you follow my guide

ok ,, slowly start placing mine's,and tractorbeam them out the way,start in okraoca's storm
start building solar plants,a complex,for ore,silicon,food,and chrystals,,this allows you to suply there factory's,with ore,and e-cells
after some missions, they wil ask to start building other factory's,,again, slowly expand,or build in 1of the 2other systems they have a other complex,, just to supply everything they may need

booze/weed can be done there aswel,, they also have 2 weapon factory's,where you can then easely bay the weapons for your ships,, they also have some good ships they sell,but no EQ dok

so build some schield,smal weapon complex,add adv,sat factory and drone factory aswel
this allows you to outfit on the spot your ships that you buy from them
for you its 100% safe (yaki shoot most others down) and a great income for you + a very good place to train your univers traders in safe area
and yaki gets stronger
in weaver tempest you can also start a mining fleet combined with a ST to hold the ore's
and senator's badlands, is big enough to build out the way and large or several smaller complexes

in the end,, get the ore,silicon,chrystal and e-cells up and running, then add what they need one's they ask you to build factory's, you be suprized :))

ahahah tnx for the tips, maybe i'll try this way, but before I will try invest in argon 1mj complex,
actually the yaki are neutral to me...(i think, I have do a trip in they sector and i can dock/buy from theirs pb, and I have see they would give some quest...

so maybe I will do a visit to theirs afert make some profitssss

[Xautos]

Originally posted by Nirvanico ITA:

Hi to all, I have about 20.000.000cr I want to run my first complex, I want do the booze/weed complex, and I have read I should buy it in a Unknow sector or pirate one,

I had bad relation with pirates, so i think isnt a good idea to build it in theirs territory...
If I built into a Unknsector, the trades comes to me? (because i think the smugglers are only pirates...right?) or random traders come anyway

sorry for my english..

From what i remember you need another 17 million more credits (37 million credits total) to start out with everything you need for the basic closed loop complex. ideally if you can buy a mammoth first, it would reduce costs and you would be able to get a tractor beam on crystal and ore rocks so they can be lined up properly for when you link them together.

When i last did a complex i chose the sector next to Legends home, the unknown sector and set up a weed and fuel operation. it's just pure cash after the first day when all the costs have been recouped. It works even better if you can get the xenon hub, adjust it and link that sector up along with potentially two major trade routes, either in or near lawful faction gates. the trade would be going crazy. You wouldn't have enough produce to keep up with the sheer demand!

More ideally you need to find a good system with plenty of ore and cystal rocks in large groups and a strong sun strength, if you can find a system like that, you will be the richest person alive to run such an illegal and lurative operation. Unlike Missiles and guns which only last so long before every station in the x3 universe is stocked with them and then your facilities are stocked and no way to get rid of them, the fuel and weed won't ever stop being a lurative source of funds.