Look Blizzard is dead move on

[SKAPP]

Starcraft 2 or Warcraft III are on life support from people who didn't even design the game, the mass majority of the original blizzard developers left the company and started new companies or joined. Stormgate has to be different to avoid lawsuits. Sure Stormgate has it's flaws but there's a lot of potential here and if you disagree with something voice up share your feedback and hold them accountable as you should.

The closest we're going to get for a future SC2 and WC3 is Stormgate the foundation is there so give it time.

[Santanico ♀]

Originally posted by SKAPPELTON:

Starcraft 2 or Warcraft III are on life support from people who didn't even design the game, the mass majority of the original blizzard developers left the company and started new companies. Stormgate has to be different to avoid lawsuits. Sure Stormgate has it's flaws but there's a lot of potential here and if you disagree with something voice up share your feedback and hold them accountable as you should.

The closest we're going to get for a future SC2 and WC3 is Stormgate the foundation is there so give it time.

Sadly that is true, i really wanted Starcraft 3 but the fact is Blizz abandoned the IP and it probably wont happen within next 10-15 years if ever and Stormgate is the only RTS (that i know of ) which is trying to fill that gap.

[Kem]

Agreed. People are hating SO hard on this game just to hate it. Even though some of the people who worked on starcraft on working on this game.

[Maraxus]

Thing is the game will live or die by the f2p crowd. And I am not sure how much overlap there is between them and old Blizzard fans, most of whom probably already saw/tried the game and have made up their minds.

[GiveMeCake]

Blizzard is dead, but Microsoft owns their IP and they love RTS and have deep pockets. They also know that WC/SC is more popular than Age games so... 2030 expect to see something...

[Bad Robot]

Originally posted by SKAPPELTON:

Starcraft 2 or Warcraft III are on life support from people who didn't even design the game, the mass majority of the original blizzard developers left the company and started new companies or joined. Stormgate has to be different to avoid lawsuits. Sure Stormgate has it's flaws but there's a lot of potential here and if you disagree with something voice up share your feedback and hold them accountable as you should.

The closest we're going to get for a future SC2 and WC3 is Stormgate the foundation is there so give it time.

This is the next evolution of all current RTS games and it has elemets inspired from all the best like this guy said....give it time it does have potential.

I personally see elements from:
SC2
Torchlight
C&C
WC3
DUNE

[Bob]

Copium

[Weltan]

the game will be dead in 2 weeks they fcked up to hard in almost every possible way that they cant recover from this

[Snobby Hobo]

Stormgate is a long way off from where it wants to be, but I completely agree that I don't really understand the excessive hatred towards this title.

Yes - it's nowhere near Starcraft 2 levels of quality, but did we really expect it to? The fundamentals are inoffensive, so why not just let them cook for a bit instead of trying to bury the game immediately?

[Mr. Deadlift]

A lot of the hate for the title comes from various sources.
1) Lofty promises during early funding times. 10s of thousands of people donating a chunk of cash for an idea that was basically sold as a "Starcraft & Warcraft Killer", a new major title. The majority of SC & Warcraft players are used to high levels of game play. A great number of these people are salty as hell now and want to see Frostgiant bankrupt, not necessarily the game of Stormgate to go, albeit it too has its own poor reception ofcourse.
2)Obscene and unheard of microtransactions for a very much unfinished product. People don't like it when something smells greedy OR needy. Few are paying 10 bucks for the campaign and heroes; many who even want to pay are worried that their money may go to waste as the game and everything in it may develope in a completely diffrent way later on, to the point of being unrecogniseable. This is why selling an EA game so incomplete is dangerous - People REALLY hate the uncertainty in what they're purchasing.
3) Early on proclaiming a free 2 play game, but selling campaigns using the much hate microtransaction model. 90% of players only want to play campaign and a bit of coop. Most of the RTS playerbase are older people who have seen through microtransactions as a sort of scam directed at young kids. RTS people are typically notoriously min-max people with a great understand of value for money. This created its own group of haters.
There's probably more I'm forgetting.

[Santanico ♀]

Originally posted by Mr. Deadlift:

A lot of the hate for the title comes from various sources.
1) Lofty promises during early funding times. 10s of thousands of people donating a chunk of cash for an idea that was basically sold as a "Starcraft & Warcraft Killer", a new major title. The majority of SC & Warcraft players are used to high levels of game play. A great number of these people are salty as hell now and want to see Frostgiant bankrupt, not necessarily the game of Stormgate to go, albeit it too has its own poor reception ofcourse.
2)Obscene and unheard of microtransactions for a very much unfinished product. People don't like it when something smells greedy OR needy. Few are paying 10 bucks for the campaign and heroes; many who even want to pay are worried that their money may go to waste as the game and everything in it may develope in a completely diffrent way later on, to the point of being unrecogniseable. This is why selling an EA game so incomplete is dangerous - People REALLY hate the uncertainty in what they're purchasing.
3) Early on proclaiming a free 2 play game, but selling campaigns using the much hate microtransaction model. 90% of players only want to play campaign and a bit of coop. Most of the RTS playerbase are older people who have seen through microtransactions as a sort of scam directed at young kids. RTS people are typically notoriously min-max people with a great understand of value for money. This created its own group of haters.
There's probably more I'm forgetting.

That was pretty in depth response, thank you for sharing, i can see the logic/reasoning in some of the points you brought up, in particular number 1, not that the rest are less important.

[Kern]

Originally posted by Mr. Deadlift:

There's probably more I'm forgetting.

Yep, the :
4) We're Blizzard veterans, as an argument of authority, even though they didn't create WoL.
5) The insane prices, $90 to get a full campaign or $75 for the most informed. So $90 for a complete single-player game, and we're not even talking about the price of multiplayer modes... This is one of the most expensive games around.
6) The deliberate desire to advertise 1v1 e-sports, when it's strictly the mode least sought after by RTS players. FG is paying the price now, as they've “discovered” that the campaign is by far the most played mode.
And we're talking about a game that has staked its entire marketing campaign on e-sports, and has therefore largely driven away those looking for the campaign. That's how far off the mark they really are...
And don't get me wrong, the campaign is the most-played mode in a game that has focused all its communication on 1v1 multiplayer... Imagine 2s what it would have been like if the marketing had been much more general, and also based on the campaign.
7) The questionable artistic choice. It's not so much the stylized graphics that are problematic, but rather the total absence of soul or interesting visuals. War3 was stylized, yet it still had something attractive about it; here, nothing catches the eye, everything is forgettable... And it's been a long time since the critic was launched.
8) It's been a long time since they've ignored any criticism. We've been writing the same things for at least 1 year. They've reached a level of stubbornness that's never been matched on the dev side. Now they're getting the backside of that and realizing what a bad choice they made. It's sad, because for over a year, everyone has been shouting the same thing at them, but we've been insulted and ignored for daring to criticize their choice.

[DEADSILENCE.]

Originally posted by SKAPPELTON:

Starcraft 2 or Warcraft III are on life support from people who didn't even design the game, the mass majority of the original blizzard developers left the company and started new companies or joined. Stormgate has to be different to avoid lawsuits. Sure Stormgate has it's flaws but there's a lot of potential here and if you disagree with something voice up share your feedback and hold them accountable as you should.

The closest we're going to get for a future SC2 and WC3 is Stormgate the foundation is there so give it time.

Is true, man

[Jack_Burton]

Great post OP.

I get it. People were hoping for more, given the pedigree of Starcraft and Warcraft. But this is also Early Access. This is like playing the Wings of Liberty beta, and frankly, there is more content here than in the SC2 beta.

I didn't sign up expecting a finished product right now. I signed up for the journey to official launch of 1.0, which FG has said could take at least a year.

As OP said, voice your feedback. They are listening and have plenty of time to address concerns.

The good news is, there isn't anything drastically wrong with the core gameplay. So its not like they would have to redesign how the game works to address feedback.

[JimRaynor67]

Originally posted by Kem:

Agreed. People are hating SO hard on this game just to hate it. Even though some of the people who worked on starcraft on working on this game.

FG promoted the game as a spiritual sequel to Starcraft2 and claimed they were vital to RTS game development within Blizzard.
FG set the bar for the comparison. You reap what you sow.

[JRS]

can't take your post seriously when both starcraft 2 and warcraft 3 have more players than this, even starcraft 1 remake still has more players..

stormgate is DOA already no playerbase, outrageous prices, mid gameplay at best, ugliest character design... you say "give it time" but launch is the most important part