Feels off

[Jet]

Whole game just feels like a cheap blizzard knock off. They didn't quite nail it, and I hope it will improve with time since it is in early access. Just makes me want to play Starcraft 2 again honestly. Competitive multiplayer wise, there's alot to learn here, and it shows that this is where most of their development and attention has gone to. That's a good thing, but at it's current stage, from a guy who has never, and will never be a top tier player in any RTS, it feels more like Warcraft without the heroes, than Starcraft. Everything is tankier than usual, much like Warcraft units were. We got our creep spawns, which clearly are important, but just feel weird. Honestly they should go whole hog and give us the heroes too, if unit and building health is gonna remain so high. But best way I can put it, go play wc3 again, except remove the heroes from it entirely. It just wouldn't feel right, and that's how this feels.

[Spartan dropkick]

Dude, this is mostly for SC2 players but lower lethality and easier macro. The heroes are SC2 coop heroes, not Warcraft ones. The races are copies of Starcraft races.
As a Warcraft player, it doesn't feel like Warcraft.

[Jet]

Originally posted by Spartan dropkick:

Dude, this is mostly for SC2 players but lower lethality and easier macro. The heroes are SC2 coop heroes, not Warcraft ones. The races are copies of Starcraft races.
As a Warcraft player, it doesn't feel like Warcraft.

I get what it’s modeled after. Sc2 is more my forte than wc3 is. But it doesn’t feel like sc2 either, despite the factions being weird gameplay copies of StarCraft. And I ain’t even touched the coop missions with the heroes. I’m just saying, if you took the heroes out of Warcraft and played a skirmish, this feels more like that than anything StarCraft related

[tacohunter]

Originally posted by Jet:

Originally posted by Spartan dropkick:

Dude, this is mostly for SC2 players but lower lethality and easier macro. The heroes are SC2 coop heroes, not Warcraft ones. The races are copies of Starcraft races.
As a Warcraft player, it doesn't feel like Warcraft.

I get what it’s modeled after. Sc2 is more my forte than wc3 is. But it doesn’t feel like sc2 either, despite the factions being weird gameplay copies of StarCraft. And I ain’t even touched the coop missions with the heroes. I’m just saying, if you took the heroes out of Warcraft and played a skirmish, this feels more like that than anything StarCraft related

Sorry but major disagree with you. It feels far closer to sc2 then wc3.

[Zerachan]

It's nowhere near close to either when it comes to how it feels, and it's thoroughly bad.
Also, macropart of the game is absolutely easier and better in sc2, it's a thorough disaster in this game and those problems reeks of wc3 even if the factions are mostly based on sc2.

Well, shouldn't surprise anyone that the folks making that wc3reforged are here making stormgate, especially when both suffer from same types of issues unlike most games.
(Feels like they removed access to download the old cd versions of wc3 from bnet accountpage just so people wouldn't have readily available comparisons to see how crazy much more responsive and better it is compared to reforged, glad I still have computers with discdrives.) =p

For anyone that own and registered the original wc3 cdversion on their bnet acc,they can by "downloading" it from the bnet accpage and running what you get, receive access to play wc3reforged with reforgedgraphics disabled and not toggleable, incase you feel like testing out all the gameplay changes and such they made without additional purchases.

[Navhkrin]

Originally posted by Spartan dropkick:

Dude, this is mostly for SC2 players but lower lethality and easier macro. The heroes are SC2 coop heroes, not Warcraft ones. The races are copies of Starcraft races.
As a Warcraft player, it doesn't feel like Warcraft.

As someone who played both games extensively this game feels a lot more like warcraft 3 than sc2.

But yeah, "game feel" is really - really off with Stormgate. It feels worse than WC3 when it comes to SFX

[Zerachan]

Btw, kinda funny how they implemented various wc3 skills here, like necromancers cripple or banshees possession to name a pair, celestials for example are basically a weird mix of sc2 protoss and wc3 scourge.

[Spartan dropkick]

Well I just feel like butthurt SC2 fans are trying to blame this game's failure on WC3 mechanics and with my limited playtime as a campaign and skirmish player these days, I felt this is waaay more for SC2 players, and waay more for co op and LotV players. The game is too fast for WC. And bit of HotS the moba.
It is more like SC2 with creeping than WC3 without heroes. Although I really cannot comment on the macro or army comps. You guys seem to have played it a fair bit now. Some of the big battles look a bit like WC3.
Beastyqt said it is very tempo oriented and that sounds like SC2. Taking out the heroes makes it not WC3. Where are the merc/shops, tavern, day night cycle, upkeep, tp? Does creepjacking happen much? Idk.
If it feels like neither SC or WC the rest is probably filled in by C&C3 or RA3 and HotS.

[Spartan dropkick]

Originally posted by Zerachan:

Btw, kinda funny how they implemented various wc3 skills here, like necromancers cripple or banshees possession to name a pair, celestials for example are basically a weird mix of sc2 protoss and wc3 scourge.

That's such a weird mix lol. Why not Infernal and Scourge. Ne is not like protoss I guess. Celestial has C&C mechanics too like power. Will need to play it more but that could be Scrin mind control?

[Jet]

Originally posted by Spartan dropkick:

Well I just feel like butthurt SC2 fans are trying to blame this game's failure on WC3 mechanics and with my limited playtime as a campaign and skirmish player these days, I felt this is waaay more for SC2 players, and waay more for co op and LotV players. The game is too fast for WC. And bit of HotS the moba.
It is more like SC2 with creeping than WC3 without heroes. Although I really cannot comment on the macro or army comps. You guys seem to have played it a fair bit now. Some of the big battles look a bit like WC3.
Beastyqt said it is very tempo oriented and that sounds like SC2. Taking out the heroes makes it not WC3. Where are the merc/shops, tavern, day night cycle, upkeep, tp? Does creepjacking happen much? Idk.
If it feels like neither SC or WC the rest is probably filled in by C&C3 or RA3 and HotS.

I’m not blaming wc3. It’s not a fault of wc3. That game is just balanced around heroes being involved in the battles. It works and feels great, for its playstyle and feel.

This ♥♥♥♥ just feels bad and clearly is having some identity issues settling on what they’re going after for its balance and gameplay. Hell it’s why I suggested maybe they should go whole hog and take coop plays heroes and throw them into the skirmish mix. It’s too slow for StarCraft, and it’s too fast for wc3. They need to do something here lol

[[SNP]Rancor]

Originally posted by Spartan dropkick:

Dude, this is mostly for SC2 players but lower lethality and easier macro. The heroes are SC2 coop heroes, not Warcraft ones. The races are copies of Starcraft races.
As a Warcraft player, it doesn't feel like Warcraft.

The devs have confirmed that currently it is already possible to recreate Warcraft 3 hero system in the editor. Although at this point it still requires the use of triggers, but they are hoping that it will be completely built in the editor before it's released

[Spartan dropkick]

Originally posted by Jet:

I’m not blaming wc3. It’s not a fault of wc3. That game is just balanced around heroes being involved in the battles. It works and feels great, for its playstyle and feel.

This ♥♥♥♥ just feels bad and clearly is having some identity issues settling on what they’re going after for its balance and gameplay. Hell it’s why I suggested maybe they should go whole hog and take coop plays heroes and throw them into the skirmish mix. It’s too slow for StarCraft, and it’s too fast for wc3. They need to do something here lol

We can agree the game has identity issues and is trash atm. If they add heroes to 1v1 it will become pay to win though.

Originally posted by SNPRancor:

Originally posted by Spartan dropkick:

Dude, this is mostly for SC2 players but lower lethality and easier macro. The heroes are SC2 coop heroes, not Warcraft ones. The races are copies of Starcraft races.
As a Warcraft player, it doesn't feel like Warcraft.

The devs have confirmed that currently it is already possible to recreate Warcraft 3 hero system in the editor. Although at this point it still requires the use of triggers, but they are hoping that it will be completely built in the editor before it's released

That's good to hear. It's going to be a long wait for that.

[Prisoner 76561197992841073]

It's weird. I remember playing the Starcraft 2 beta back in 2010. That looked and played better than this, released 14 years later!

[Navhkrin]

Originally posted by Prisoner 76561197992841073:

It's weird. I remember playing the Starcraft 2 beta back in 2010. That looked and played better than this, released 14 years later!

To be honest even in early alpha SC2 probably looked much better than this.

[Hez]

Originally posted by Navhkrin:

Originally posted by Prisoner 76561197992841073:

It's weird. I remember playing the Starcraft 2 beta back in 2010. That looked and played better than this, released 14 years later!

To be honest even in early alpha SC2 probably looked much better than this.

"probably"? It was way better than Stormgate. Art design was the same like it was at release, and other than the balance and a few bugs, everything else was good..

[gachi is manly]

Originally posted by Navhkrin:

But yeah, "game feel" is really - really off with Stormgate. It feels worse than WC3 when it comes to SFX

This game makes me really appreciate how good the sound design is in WC3 and SC2/BW.

It's something that I always sort of took for granted, but hoo boy, I'm feeling it now after playing this.